Organ Transplant Bill

[PurpleMoonlight]

Murph7355 said:

It wouldn't be stealing as you'd have noted you want your organs donated.

You can't even be bothered to vote on something you feel passionately enough about to post on here all the time, so the chances of you filling out an opt out form are pretty slim I reckon. So by your own logic you must want to donate them

I'm looking forward to my soylent green.

[PurpleMoonlight]

TvrJohn said:

JUST HOLD ON A MOMENT

Having hereditary polycystic kidney disease in our family, the 3 sons produced, i being one of them have all suffered from renal failure at different stages of our lives.

Resulting in myself requiring hemodialysis 3 times a week, at durations of approximately 5 hours, circulating and filtering all my blood 15 times per dialysis. Initially dialysis in hospital on the late shift finishing at 10pm as i was trying to hold down a full time professional career,

I then accepted the offer to have a room converted in our house, (this is more cost effective for the NHS) so i could undertake my own dialysis after extensive training.
This did improve the time management side of things, but was very stressful on my family and two boys under 9, however after a while waiting on the organ transplant register, i was matched for a donor kidney transplant undertaken at Manchester.

Wow what a difference this made to the whole family, the donor kidney has now been working perfectly for 10 years now.

SO IF YOU CONSIDER OPTING OUT, JUST CONSIDER THIS IMPACT STATEMENT

Those with a vested interest support it shocker.

[NRS]

Honestly, there are some children on here. Literally doing the opposite just to stick it to the government. Maybe time to move to the US so you can get guns and live in a mountain cabin in case the government decide to go after you?

[grumbledoak]

NRS said:

Honestly, there are some children on here. Literally doing the opposite just to stick it to the government. Maybe time to move to the US so you can get guns and live in a mountain cabin in case the government decide to go after you?

And this is a mature response?

[NRS]

grumbledoak said:

NRS said:

Honestly, there are some children on here. Literally doing the opposite just to stick it to the government. Maybe time to move to the US so you can get guns and live in a mountain cabin in case the government decide to go after you?

And this is a mature response?

Not really, but it's only a comment. But then again I've not made a decision potentially resulting in someone's death that could possibly have been saved. Someone who has nothing more to do with the government than you do. Who knows - maybe they also are against government control in our lives too?

[grumbledoak]

NRS said:

Who knows - maybe they also are against government control in our lives too?

Then they will understand my decision.

[PurpleMoonlight]

NRS said:

Not really, but it's only a comment. But then again I've not made a decision potentially resulting in someone's death that could possibly have been saved. Someone who has nothing more to do with the government than you do. Who knows - maybe they also are against government control in our lives too?

How much control of our lives to you consider acceptable?

[NRS]

grumbledoak said:

NRS said:

Who knows - maybe they also are against government control in our lives too?

Then they will understand my decision.

Just trying to understand why you might do something the opposite of what you want just because you think the government wants you to. It just doesn't make sense to me. Disagree with issue - protest government. Agree - do it with no thought about government.

[Troubleatmill]

I genuinely hope those “sticking it to the man” or “out of principle” never find themselves in a situation of their loved ones in need of a donation.

[grumbledoak]

NRS said:

Just trying to understand why you might do something the opposite of what you want just because you think the government wants you to. It just doesn't make sense to me. Disagree with issue - protest government. Agree - do it with no thought about government.

I doubt that. If it was true you probably wouldn't have started by calling people names.

[Lucas CAV]

PurpleMoonlight said:

TvrJohn said:

JUST HOLD ON A MOMENT

Having hereditary polycystic kidney disease in our family, the 3 sons produced, i being one of them have all suffered from renal failure at different stages of our lives.

Resulting in myself requiring hemodialysis 3 times a week, at durations of approximately 5 hours, circulating and filtering all my blood 15 times per dialysis. Initially dialysis in hospital on the late shift finishing at 10pm as i was trying to hold down a full time professional career,

I then accepted the offer to have a room converted in our house, (this is more cost effective for the NHS) so i could undertake my own dialysis after extensive training.
This did improve the time management side of things, but was very stressful on my family and two boys under 9, however after a while waiting on the organ transplant register, i was matched for a donor kidney transplant undertaken at Manchester.

Wow what a difference this made to the whole family, the donor kidney has now been working perfectly for 10 years now.

SO IF YOU CONSIDER OPTING OUT, JUST CONSIDER THIS IMPACT STATEMENT

Those with a vested interest support it shocker.

What rational reason would anyone have for not supporting it?

[Lucas CAV]

Derek Smith said:

This was 1977 or 78. More details in my book. The call from Met control, MP, was for supervisors to allow all available O+ officers to go.

As I intimated, I think the urgency of the need was a major factor.

Link to your book, Derek?

[Derek Smith]

NRS said:

Honestly, there are some children on here. Literally doing the opposite just to stick it to the government . . .

Was it Groucho Marks who said: These are my principles. If they don’t generate the required responses, I have others.

It’s not a principle when it doesn’t cost you anything, it's merely a reaction.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Lucas CAV said:

What rational reason would anyone have for not supporting it?

They don't need a reason.

Harvesting body parts without permission is barbaric.

What's next, harvesting if diagnosed with a terminal illness? You only need one kidney, we'll take the other. You only need one eye, we'll take the other.

Hell, why not go the whole hog and take the Vidiian route.

[NRS]

grumbledoak said:

I doubt that. If it was true you probably wouldn't have started by calling people names.

I can do both at once, as many here do. I'm open to logical argument, but so far it seems to be 'I've been assumed to do one thing, so now the assumption is reversed then I will do the opposite of what I believe just because'. That honestly seems like a childlike response to me. What is it about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

But if you can give a different reason I'm open to listening.

[TooMany2cvs]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Lucas CAV said:

What rational reason would anyone have for not supporting it?

They don't need a reason.

Harvesting body parts without permission is barbaric.

What's next, harvesting if diagnosed with a terminal illness? You only need one kidney, we'll take the other. You only need one eye, we'll take the other.

Hell, why not go the whole hog and take the Vidiian route.

Let's go back to that rape/necrophilia analogy, shall we? It was a bit more rational than this...

[Lucas CAV]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Lucas CAV said:

What rational reason would anyone have for not supporting it?

They don't need a reason.

Harvesting body parts without permission is barbaric.

What's next, harvesting if diagnosed with a terminal illness? You only need one kidney, we'll take the other. You only need one eye, we'll take the other.

Hell, why not go the whole hog and take the Vidiian route.

Wingnut !

I had never heard of "Vidiian" -- Star trek??

Classic PH virgin reference!

[Murph7355]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I'm looking forward to my soylent green.

At least your organs will be unusable then.

PurpleMoonlight said:

Those with a vested interest support it shocker.

Was there a right side of the bed for you this morning?

If you can't be bothered to donate, I'm quite sure you'll be tip top not getting an organ from someone who could. (More likely you'd be whinging your arse off about the unfairness of it all. Just like you do about Brexit despite not being bothered to vote... There's a pattern forming here PM).

[PurpleMoonlight]

Murph7355 said:

Was there a right side of the bed for you this morning?

If you can't be bothered to donate, I'm quite sure you'll be tip top not getting an organ from someone who could. (More likely you'd be whinging your arse off about the unfairness of it all. Just like you do about Brexit despite not being bothered to vote... There's a pattern forming here PM).

Life isn't that precious.

When your time is up your time is up.

[grumbledoak]

NRS said:

But if you can give a different reason I'm open to listening.

Because this is a grotesque asset grab by an organisation that cares only about it's position in performance tables that might be used against it. It actually kills an enormous number of people annually. Somehow that never makes the front pages, but transplant rates were making it look bad. And simple human dignity is even lower on their priorities list than patient outcomes. So "what to do about it?" took them minutes. Even so, they pushed it out quietly first in Wales to see if people were paying attention, and there has been plenty of emotive media coverage to help it over the line.

If voting changed anything it would have been banned centuries ago; the biggest protest in my lifetime achieved nothing; and though we are possibly overdue a guillotine event I doubt that this will be the trigger. So, while I think adults should seriously consider donating their organs - remember, I was opted in - I don't see any other form of protest available to me.

Of course, all they have to do now is forget to update their records, or forget to check them. I'm sure they'll admit the error and apologize afterwards. Not.