Organ Transplant Bill
Discussion
Rovinghawk said:
They can ask me nicely & I might do it. When they try to coerce me I'll rebel. Simple passive aggression.
Lots of currently registered donors think the same way.The only way they'll get the donor numbers up is by people either not realising they need to register any objection, inertia or via the inevitable 'accidents' with assumed consent.
Then when people find family members have been volunteered as donors the practical realities of donation (and why such a small percentage are viable donors) will creep into public consciousness and you'll have an enormously damaging backlash.
Presumed consent is another one of those simple fixes which is actually a terrible idea.
Plus I thought everything was all about clear consent and 'opt in' these days - unless it suits a particular agenda I guess.
This is Nudge theory in action.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....
The government set up a "Behavioural insights team" or "nudge unit" in 2010 to use behavioural economics to better implement policy.
There is an interesting book called "inside the nudge unit" which tells the principles, the story of setting up the department and it's successes.
Things like adding the truthful phrase "most people pay their taxes on time" at the start of a standard tax return reminder letter increased on time tax payments by 4.5%... which is a massive increase.
One of the principles is "defaults" which plays on status quo bias and friction to increase uptake.
There are then the obvious debates about the ethics of nudging!!
It's interesting!
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....
The government set up a "Behavioural insights team" or "nudge unit" in 2010 to use behavioural economics to better implement policy.
There is an interesting book called "inside the nudge unit" which tells the principles, the story of setting up the department and it's successes.
Things like adding the truthful phrase "most people pay their taxes on time" at the start of a standard tax return reminder letter increased on time tax payments by 4.5%... which is a massive increase.
One of the principles is "defaults" which plays on status quo bias and friction to increase uptake.
There are then the obvious debates about the ethics of nudging!!
It's interesting!
PurpleMoonlight said:
Deptford Draylons said:
People that will quite happily accept organ donation when they find out they need, but who are against giving one up on their death.
How many of those are there do you think?Deptford Draylons said:
From the anecdotal conversation I had when renewing my driving license, quite a few it would seem. When faced with ticking a box and making a choice , she said most actively choose not to consent. The number who would refuse a organ to save their own life is confined to a small number of loons I would imagine.
So by your definition anyone who does not consent is a loon.PurpleMoonlight said:
Deptford Draylons said:
From the anecdotal conversation I had when renewing my driving license, quite a few it would seem. When faced with ticking a box and making a choice , she said most actively choose not to consent. The number who would refuse a organ to save their own life is confined to a small number of loons I would imagine.
So by your definition anyone who does not consent is a loon.If you are against giving anything up on your death, but will happily accept one, I'll chalk you down as a selfish hypocritical loon unworthy of receiving life saving organ donation.
Given I think 99.9999% of people will readily take one, and only 0.0001 would refuse, a standard opt in system would seem best to save hundreds of people.
No one cares about an individual (eg like rovinghawk) reversing his prior position cos overall there will be many more organs available with this model. I can’t see why any individual thinks their opinion about this matters - there are 2 models, and this one will provide more organs. That’s it.
CoolHands said:
No one cares about an individual (eg like rovinghawk) reversing his prior position cos overall there will be many more organs available with this model. I can’t see why any individual thinks their opinion about this matters - there are 2 models, and this one will provide more organs. That’s it.
Whilst 'm sure someone will point you to data that shows this is not clear-cut, I agree. The government needs to ensure this is part of an initiative to increase organ donation and not the only thing. If it's the only action, the gains might be marginal. Especially because of the people for whom "making a point" is more important than helping others. CoolHands said:
No one cares about an individual (eg like rovinghawk) reversing his prior position cos overall there will be many more organs available with this model. I can’t see why any individual thinks their opinion about this matters - there are 2 models, and this one will provide more organs. That’s it.
'harvest more organs' more like.Even if initially there was not much difference initially in quantity (cos of people being annoyed and opting out counteracting those who hadn’t bother to opt in) in long run most people won’t bother, so the overall number will increase (I would guess without looking anything up, quite substantially).
PurpleMoonlight said:
Perhaps we should repeal the seat belt laws, there might be more organs to harvest as a result.
Great line of argument there. Right up there with the guy who mentions not wishing to help the NHS ' meet their performance targets' . Hope no one was offended by the use of the term ' loons ' earlier. Randy Winkman said:
I bet there are very few people who would turn down a donated organ or turn one down on behalf of a family member who needed it. I assume there are similarly few who do not want to donate?
It's not a case of not wanting to donate- I'm fine with my organs helping someone else when I no longer need them.It's a case of refusing to have someone presume my wishes in whichever manner suits them. No more, no less. The technical term for this is freedom & it matters to me much more than it seems to matter to you.
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