Organ Transplant Bill

[TwigtheWonderkid]

AJL308 said:

I mean, get a fking grip man, it's not even rational. Why would a doctor kill one person to save the life of another? You still have a positive number of dead people ffs!

Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 16th August 13:38

Because the doctor could be related to the person needing the organs. Happens all the time I'm sure.

[Oakey]

jsf said:

People being kept alive artificially have their life support systems switched off, at which point the oxygen in their blood will stop and you are dead and the process of organ deterioration starts. You are dead prior to removing your organs. People are removed from the ventilator when they no longer have any brain stem function.

People don't die because the organs are removed, they die because the life support systems are switched off and the body cant flow oxygen without them, before that happens they are brain dead.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/brain-death/

I believe they turn life support off briefly to show that you can't breathe without help and then they switch it back on again in order to keep the organs viable.

Here's at least two examples where people weren't actually dead;

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-errors-lead-...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabo...

[AJL308]

Oakey said:

jsf said:

People being kept alive artificially have their life support systems switched off, at which point the oxygen in their blood will stop and you are dead and the process of organ deterioration starts. You are dead prior to removing your organs. People are removed from the ventilator when they no longer have any brain stem function.

People don't die because the organs are removed, they die because the life support systems are switched off and the body cant flow oxygen without them, before that happens they are brain dead.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/brain-death/

I believe they turn life support off briefly to show that you can't breathe without help and then they switch it back on again in order to keep the organs viable.

Here's at least two examples where people weren't actually dead;

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hospital-errors-lead-...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabo...

Well the first seems to be due to rank incompetence and the $22K fine looks trivial and the second seems like a genuine mistake. Neither appear to be remotely connected to an urgent desire to kill someone to harvest their organs.

Indeed, in the second case it would appear that heart massage was continued to be applied for the specific purpose of keeping the organs alive in a guy who was thought to be brain dead in a country which has an opt-out system. If it had not been continued then guy would almost certainly be dead!

[Oakey]

Oh, you wanted a specific example of where doctors may have sped up someones death for their organs? Here you go:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/06...

Just to be clear, I'm not against organ donation myself but I still find the subject kind of squeamish

[Randy Winkman]

You also wont be able to help this bloke who has been waiting for 9 years for a new heart.

https://news.sky.com/story/man-makes-donor-plea-af...

[Randy Winkman]

There is a marvelous scene right near the end of this programme showing a young boy who has just had a heart transplant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0b3gfth/hea...

It says that the new law will be named after him.

[Fundoreen]

Another difficult subject to have an opinion on.
I would suggest the state pays for the funeral and headstone of the person making the donation with an inscription acknowledging their good deed.