Organ Transplant Bill
Discussion
schmunk said:
You come across as being a very silly person.
You've got over 3,000 post and only now do you come to that conclusion.My mother was asked if they could take certain items from my father. They needed to ask soon after death and it is hardly the best of times for the nok. My mother agreed.
Some years later she saw a TV programme on, I think, cornea transplants and she phoned my brother and me to tell me how glad she was that someone could see because of my father.
They can have what they want from me. I'll have no use for any of it, unfortunately and it seems the epitome of selfishness to demand that it be burned. More so for a tantrum but I don't want to be judgemental. Oh, wait a minute, this is PH.
I live in hope, and die in hope I suppose, that they might use my liver - I'm tee-total - and I'll be able to take over the new body.
PurpleMoonlight said:
TooMany2cvs said:
They say they do. They just cba to do anything about it.
Then they really don't.That being the case, why let people die anyway?
What sort of selfish fecker would not give up an organ on their death to prolong the life of someone else?
Murph7355 said:
So if donation rates go up when you reverse the system, does that actually mean people really do want to donate (ie if they cba to opt out)?
That being the case, why let people die anyway?
What sort of selfish fecker would not give up an organ on their death to prolong the life of someone else?
What sort of selfish fecker would steal my organs once I am dead?That being the case, why let people die anyway?
What sort of selfish fecker would not give up an organ on their death to prolong the life of someone else?
TooMany2cvs said:
What's being "taken away"?
Err......... organs?Let me try a closer analogy:
I like sex with girlies. We probably mostly agree that sex with girlies is a good thing.
That girlie is passed out drunk; she hasn't said no therefore I'll presume consent. After all, she won't know anything about it plus I didn't get the chance to ask her when she was conscious.
Now you probably think what I just proposed is unacceptable; I agree. The difference is that you're not willing to transpose the scenario onto organ harvesting whereas I do. This is where I think the end doesn't justify the means & where we won't find common ground.
Rovinghawk said:
Let me try a closer analogy:
I like sex with girlies. We probably mostly agree that sex with girlies is a good thing.
That girlie is passed out drunk; she hasn't said no therefore I'll presume consent. After all, she won't know anything about it plus I didn't get the chance to ask her when she was conscious.
Now you probably think what I just proposed is unacceptable; I agree. The difference is that you're not willing to transpose the scenario onto organ harvesting whereas I do. This is where I think the end doesn't justify the means & where we won't find common ground.
OK. Fine. Whatever.I like sex with girlies. We probably mostly agree that sex with girlies is a good thing.
That girlie is passed out drunk; she hasn't said no therefore I'll presume consent. After all, she won't know anything about it plus I didn't get the chance to ask her when she was conscious.
Now you probably think what I just proposed is unacceptable; I agree. The difference is that you're not willing to transpose the scenario onto organ harvesting whereas I do. This is where I think the end doesn't justify the means & where we won't find common ground.
<edges away from the nutter>
(BTW, that whole "analogy" fails on at least two grounds - 1. there was the chance for her to object, and 2. she's not actually dead. Not that I'm suggesting necrophilia would make this any saner...)
JUST HOLD ON A MOMENT
Having hereditary polycystic kidney disease in our family, the 3 sons produced, i being one of them have all suffered from renal failure at different stages of our lives.
Resulting in myself requiring hemodialysis 3 times a week, at durations of approximately 5 hours, circulating and filtering all my blood 15 times per dialysis. Initially dialysis in hospital on the late shift finishing at 10pm as i was trying to hold down a full time professional career,
I then accepted the offer to have a room converted in our house, (this is more cost effective for the NHS) so i could undertake my own dialysis after extensive training.
This did improve the time management side of things, but was very stressful on my family and two boys under 9, however after a while waiting on the organ transplant register, i was matched for a donor kidney transplant undertaken at Manchester.
Wow what a difference this made to the whole family, the donor kidney has now been working perfectly for 10 years now.
SO IF YOU CONSIDER OPTING OUT, JUST CONSIDER THIS IMPACT STATEMENT
Having hereditary polycystic kidney disease in our family, the 3 sons produced, i being one of them have all suffered from renal failure at different stages of our lives.
Resulting in myself requiring hemodialysis 3 times a week, at durations of approximately 5 hours, circulating and filtering all my blood 15 times per dialysis. Initially dialysis in hospital on the late shift finishing at 10pm as i was trying to hold down a full time professional career,
I then accepted the offer to have a room converted in our house, (this is more cost effective for the NHS) so i could undertake my own dialysis after extensive training.
This did improve the time management side of things, but was very stressful on my family and two boys under 9, however after a while waiting on the organ transplant register, i was matched for a donor kidney transplant undertaken at Manchester.
Wow what a difference this made to the whole family, the donor kidney has now been working perfectly for 10 years now.
SO IF YOU CONSIDER OPTING OUT, JUST CONSIDER THIS IMPACT STATEMENT
TooMany2cvs said:
(BTW, that whole "analogy" fails on at least two grounds - 1. there was the chance for her to object, and 2. she's not actually dead. Not that I'm suggesting necrophilia would make this any saner...)
1) She could have objected earlier but didn't answer one way or the other- does this make presumption acceptable2) I wasn't suggesting her organs get harvested- I suggested a process she'd know nothing about.
For clarity: Organ donation good, government making my decisions for me bad.
Rovinghawk said:
For clarity: Organ donation good, government making my decisions for me bad.
Well, that's OK - because you decided for yourself. You decided that it was good, and you wanted in.If you'd decided it was bad, and you didn't want in, then that option is still open to you, and I hope you have plenty of time before the decision becomes relevant.
TooMany2cvs said:
Well, that's OK - because you decided for yourself. You decided that it was good, and you wanted in.
If you'd decided it was bad, and you didn't want in, then that option is still open to you, and I hope you have plenty of time before the decision becomes relevant.
Mothersruin's comments on page 2 are valid- I already know I'm better than those supposedly running the country but staying in despite their actions would prove a point, even if only to myself.If you'd decided it was bad, and you didn't want in, then that option is still open to you, and I hope you have plenty of time before the decision becomes relevant.
TvrJohn said:
JUST HOLD ON A MOMENT
Having hereditary polycystic kidney disease in our family, the 3 sons produced, i being one of them have all suffered from renal failure at different stages of our lives.
Resulting in myself requiring hemodialysis 3 times a week, at durations of approximately 5 hours, circulating and filtering all my blood 15 times per dialysis. Initially dialysis in hospital on the late shift finishing at 10pm as i was trying to hold down a full time professional career,
I then accepted the offer to have a room converted in our house, (this is more cost effective for the NHS) so i could undertake my own dialysis after extensive training.
This did improve the time management side of things, but was very stressful on my family and two boys under 9, however after a while waiting on the organ transplant register, i was matched for a donor kidney transplant undertaken at Manchester.
Wow what a difference this made to the whole family, the donor kidney has now been working perfectly for 10 years now.
SO IF YOU CONSIDER OPTING OUT, JUST CONSIDER THIS IMPACT STATEMENT
Nice try 'John', how do we know you're not the donor talking, hmmm?Having hereditary polycystic kidney disease in our family, the 3 sons produced, i being one of them have all suffered from renal failure at different stages of our lives.
Resulting in myself requiring hemodialysis 3 times a week, at durations of approximately 5 hours, circulating and filtering all my blood 15 times per dialysis. Initially dialysis in hospital on the late shift finishing at 10pm as i was trying to hold down a full time professional career,
I then accepted the offer to have a room converted in our house, (this is more cost effective for the NHS) so i could undertake my own dialysis after extensive training.
This did improve the time management side of things, but was very stressful on my family and two boys under 9, however after a while waiting on the organ transplant register, i was matched for a donor kidney transplant undertaken at Manchester.
Wow what a difference this made to the whole family, the donor kidney has now been working perfectly for 10 years now.
SO IF YOU CONSIDER OPTING OUT, JUST CONSIDER THIS IMPACT STATEMENT
I have always carried a donor card as I have always believed it right to help people if I die.
What has always been a problem for Dr's is when young fit healthy accident victims who carry a card are killed often relations do not allow their organs to be used, it is simply wrong.
One of my staff had a kidney transplant when he was 15, he is now 31 with a young family and his donated organ is now failing. He faces nightly dialysis just to stay alive. He was waiting 5 years for the last one and everyday viable organs are wasted.
No one likes to think of death but it happens and when you meet someone like this guy wondering if he will be lucky again or die in a couple of years time it is easy to do the right thing.
How they will manage relations not wanting organs to be taken will be an issue
What has always been a problem for Dr's is when young fit healthy accident victims who carry a card are killed often relations do not allow their organs to be used, it is simply wrong.
One of my staff had a kidney transplant when he was 15, he is now 31 with a young family and his donated organ is now failing. He faces nightly dialysis just to stay alive. He was waiting 5 years for the last one and everyday viable organs are wasted.
No one likes to think of death but it happens and when you meet someone like this guy wondering if he will be lucky again or die in a couple of years time it is easy to do the right thing.
How they will manage relations not wanting organs to be taken will be an issue
Rovinghawk said:
government making my decisions for me bad.
That is the entire basis of democracy though. You elect a government to make decisions on your behalf. If you don't like the decisions they are making - you vote them out.
How many government policies has the government personally consulted you on?
Also - given you had already opted in - this policy actually doesn't affect you in the slightest. The government haven't made any decision for you in this matter. You had already made your decision and the government policy just happens to align with the decision you had already made.
Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 23 February 18:15
Rovinghawk said:
Err......... organs?
Let me try a closer analogy:
I like sex with girlies. We probably mostly agree that sex with girlies is a good thing.
That girlie is passed out drunk; she hasn't said no therefore I'll presume consent. After all, she won't know anything about it plus I didn't get the chance to ask her when she was conscious.
Now you probably think what I just proposed is unacceptable; I agree. The difference is that you're not willing to transpose the scenario onto organ harvesting whereas I do. This is where I think the end doesn't justify the means & where we won't find common ground.
Dear godLet me try a closer analogy:
I like sex with girlies. We probably mostly agree that sex with girlies is a good thing.
That girlie is passed out drunk; she hasn't said no therefore I'll presume consent. After all, she won't know anything about it plus I didn't get the chance to ask her when she was conscious.
Now you probably think what I just proposed is unacceptable; I agree. The difference is that you're not willing to transpose the scenario onto organ harvesting whereas I do. This is where I think the end doesn't justify the means & where we won't find common ground.
TooMany2cvs said:
They've been "asking" for ages.
Nearly a decade ago, everybody renewing their driving licence photocard started to be asked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14341553
They've also been doing the same with passport renewals, tax returns and even travelcards.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/transport-u...
And STILL 90% of people say "Oooh, yes, good idea" yet less than half have actually bothered to sign up.
Reversing that - so that the terminally selfish small minority are the ones who have to extract digit from rectum - makes far more sense. If a tiny handful of the terminally petulant wish to join them, I'm sure the overall result will still be a massive increase.
They’ve been asking ineffectively. The opt out field should be mandatory - you have to write yes or no, otherwise you get the form returned to you. They shouldn’t be assuming one way or the other, but they should be forcing you to make an active decision.Nearly a decade ago, everybody renewing their driving licence photocard started to be asked.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14341553
They've also been doing the same with passport renewals, tax returns and even travelcards.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/transport-u...
And STILL 90% of people say "Oooh, yes, good idea" yet less than half have actually bothered to sign up.
Reversing that - so that the terminally selfish small minority are the ones who have to extract digit from rectum - makes far more sense. If a tiny handful of the terminally petulant wish to join them, I'm sure the overall result will still be a massive increase.
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