Explosion in Leicester

[Digger]

poo at Paul's said:

Now saying petrol had been spread throughout the shop.......?

WTF? With people in there and upstairs.
Why only manslaughter. Sounds like murder to me.

That was my very first thought when all we read about initially was 'manslaughter'!!

[FurtiveFreddy]

poo at Paul's said:

Now saying petrol had been spread throughout the shop.......?

Makes more sense than just a spillage or open container going up accidentally.

Sounds like the intent was to set fire to the place but it turned out a lot worse than expected.

[Megaflow]

I read today that one of those arrested and charged was the shop owner. I did wonder how he managed to get out when they interviewed him.

Something very weird in this.

[Pesty]

Megaflow said:

I read today that one of those arrested and charged was the shop owner. I did wonder how he managed to get out when they interviewed him.

Something very weird in this.

On one article the other day a neighbour reported the owner had gone home then left some time in the morning. Later that evening police arrived and searched the house.

Bit late as I’m sure he took anything incriminating away he had all night and most of the next day.

[BlackLabel]

"A shopkeeper and two other men killed five people by setting fire to his supermarket in a failed £300,000 insurance scam, a court heard today.

Shop owner Aram Kurd, 34, Arkan Ali, 37 and Hawkar Hassan, 33, are accused of blowing up a Polish grocery store in Leicester on February 25.

The inferno killed four members of a family living in the two-storey flat above the shop and also a shopgirl who was 'left to die' because she 'knew too much' about the insurance scam."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6389095/S...

[kev1974]

Must have been quite a bit of petrol.

So the defendants are all Kurdish, it's not just the guy's name, it says they each have a Kurdish interpreter for the trial (fair enough, wouldn't want them to claim "didn't understand" as a reason for mistrial). I'm just puzzled, why are Kurds running a Polish shop in Leicester?

[snake_oil]

Well. My flabber is not exactly ghasted. A sad series of events

[Dogwatch]

kev1974 said:

Must have been quite a bit of petrol.

So the defendants are all Kurdish, it's not just the guy's name, it says they each have a Kurdish interpreter for the trial (fair enough, wouldn't want them to claim "didn't understand" as a reason for mistrial). I'm just puzzled, why are Kurds running a Polish shop in Leicester?

hyphen said:

Also a random polish bloke on twitter was moaning that it was not a polish shop as reported, it was an international food shop run by non Poles. Aram Kurd doesn't sound very Polish I must admit.

[BlackLabel]

5 lives gone just so the killers could share the £300k insurance payout.


“Three men found guilty of murder after explosion at Leicester shop that killed five people”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46700151

Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 28th December 10:53

[anonymous-user]

On the face of it it sounds as if there intention with the fire was to commit instance fraud, as opposed to intending to kill / commit GBH upon the occupants (murder). It’d be interesting to know how it amounted to murder.

[Muncher]

A girlfriend of one of the defendants was aware of the plot so they deliberately killed her and knew the others would be killed but did not care.

[TTmonkey]

La Liga said:

On the face of it it sounds as if there intention with the fire was to commit instance fraud, as opposed to intending to kill / commit GBH upon the occupants (murder). It’d be interesting to know how it amounted to murder.

My guess is they knew they were resident in the building when they carried out the attempted fraud. If they had believed the building was empty perhaps manslaughter.

odd though, sure they didn't set out to kill anyone.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Either way in this case I'm glad they have been found guilty of murder as it no doubt comes with a much more severe punishment than manslaughter.

[PositronicRay]

If it was premeditated it was murder, even if it was not the main objective.

[anonymous-user]

Muncher said:

A girlfriend of one of the defendants was aware of the plot so they deliberately killed her and knew the others would be killed but did not care.

It says they left her to die on the reporting I've seen as opposed to setting out to kill her.

It may well be the jury drew the necessary inferences to conclude there was intention from foresight / the probability of the deaths occurring.

PositronicRay said:

If it was premeditated it was murder, even if it was not the main objective.

Only if there was intention to cause GBH / or to kill.

[kowalski655]

La Liga said:

nly if there was intention to causes GBH / or to kill.

Is recklessness included? eg knowing a real danger and ignoring it. Setting off an explosion 10 feet below a family should count as that!

And how on earth did they think they could get the insurance on an explosion,with petrol all over the place! Did they forget the Fire Service and insurers will investigate?

5 dead through ignorance and stupidity and evil.

[Runes]

kowalski655 said:

Is recklessness included? eg knowing a real danger and ignoring it. Setting off an explosion 10 feet below a family should count as that!

Simplified, knowing of a danger or a "real danger" is not enough; knowing of a virtual certainty may be enough.

[anonymous-user]

kowalski655 said:

La Liga said:

nly if there was intention to causes GBH / or to kill.

Is recklessness included? eg knowing a real danger and ignoring it. Setting off an explosion 10 feet below a family should count as that!

And how on earth did they think they could get the insurance on an explosion,with petrol all over the place! Did they forget the Fire Service and insurers will investigate?

5 dead through ignorance and stupidity and evil.

Recklesness is not included as a ‘state of mind’ for murder.

I don’t think they were the brightest bunch.

[Halb]

BlackLabel said:

5 lives gone just so the killers could share the £300k insurance payout.


“Three men found guilty of murder after explosion at Leicester shop that killed five people”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46700151

Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 28th December 10:53

hopefully they'll receive the max penalty the law allows

[BlackLabel]

“Aram Kurd, 34 and Arkan Ali, 38 have been jailed for life with a minimum term of 38 years at Leicester Crown Court for murdering five people in a “bomb-like” shop blast after plotting to gain a £300,000 insurance pay-out.

Hawkar Hassan, 33, was jailed for life with a minimum term of 33 years for his part in the attack.”

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-01-18/three-men-jail...