Major incident at Salisbury District Hospital
Discussion
Saleen836 said:
Not looking good for the survivor...
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/bro...
Didnt hear about him going back in. How awful.https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/bro...
Still just such a shocking thing to have happened to innocent bystanders.
p1stonhead said:
Saleen836 said:
Not looking good for the survivor...
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/bro...
Didnt hear about him going back in. How awful.https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/bro...
Still just such a shocking thing to have happened to innocent bystanders.
I hope it is not as bad as the brother is making out, I got the impression before that the brother was embracing his time in the limelight somewhat, this article doesn't mention much in the way of fact etc from clinicians and hospital staff etc, on behalf of the victim. So it just could be he is ill with meningitis and very poorly because that is what it does, and the Novichok angle is a red herring.
poo at Paul's said:
Cant help feeling that the lifestyle of the two most recent victims plays a large part in the whole situation and prognosis etc.
Not that I'm an expert but I'm pretty sure if you were an Olympic gold medalist and you sprayed novichok neat onto your wrists perfume style it wouldn't end well.The fact they have buried the police cars involved in the original incident says it all.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/sa...
Just announced 2 suspects.
Shown near location here:
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/103728147792...
Just announced 2 suspects.
Shown near location here:
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/103728147792...
Edited by effkay on Wednesday 5th September 11:19
poo at Paul's said:
Cant help feeling that the lifestyle of the two most recent victims plays a large part in the whole situation and prognosis etc.
I hope it is not as bad as the brother is making out, I got the impression before that the brother was embracing his time in the limelight somewhat, this article doesn't mention much in the way of fact etc from clinicians and hospital staff etc, on behalf of the victim. So it just could be he is ill with meningitis and very poorly because that is what it does, and the Novichok angle is a red herring.
Yep - the usual PH victim blaming. It's his fault because of his lifestyle.I hope it is not as bad as the brother is making out, I got the impression before that the brother was embracing his time in the limelight somewhat, this article doesn't mention much in the way of fact etc from clinicians and hospital staff etc, on behalf of the victim. So it just could be he is ill with meningitis and very poorly because that is what it does, and the Novichok angle is a red herring.
effkay said:
Announced names that are thought to be false. Well that's a shocker. Takes them what, 6 months to come up with a photo of someone that probably left the country within hours of the event.
TTmonkey said:
effkay said:
Announced names that are thought to be false. Well that's a shocker. Takes them what, 6 months to come up with a photo of someone that probably left the country within hours of the event.
effkay said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/sa...
Just announced 2 suspects.
Shown near location here:
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/103728147792...
Won't mean anything unless they can be caught - any then we all pay to keep them in prison for ever whilst UK/Russian tension reaches boiling point.Just announced 2 suspects.
Shown near location here:
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/103728147792...
Edited by effkay on Wednesday 5th September 11:19
No easy answer here.
effkay said:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/05/sa...
Just announced 2 suspects.
Shown near location here:
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/103728147792...
Seems beyond reasonable doubt certainlyJust announced 2 suspects.
Shown near location here:
https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/103728147792...
Edited by effkay on Wednesday 5th September 11:19
Eric Mc said:
poo at Paul's said:
Cant help feeling that the lifestyle of the two most recent victims plays a large part in the whole situation and prognosis etc.
I hope it is not as bad as the brother is making out, I got the impression before that the brother was embracing his time in the limelight somewhat, this article doesn't mention much in the way of fact etc from clinicians and hospital staff etc, on behalf of the victim. So it just could be he is ill with meningitis and very poorly because that is what it does, and the Novichok angle is a red herring.
Yep - the usual PH victim blaming. It's his fault because of his lifestyle.I hope it is not as bad as the brother is making out, I got the impression before that the brother was embracing his time in the limelight somewhat, this article doesn't mention much in the way of fact etc from clinicians and hospital staff etc, on behalf of the victim. So it just could be he is ill with meningitis and very poorly because that is what it does, and the Novichok angle is a red herring.
king record!! The brother, who seems to not have medical training, says his immune system is screwed due to the Novichok. Do you not think it possible that years of drug abuse can also have an impact on one's immune system? So his lifestyle maybe has not helped him in recent months, in my opinion. Surely only an obtuse old fool like you would try to concede otherwise?
So then we come onto what the article says... The guy has "meningitis" by all accounts, It doesn't say if it is the viral or bacterial from. Both nasty illnesses, but ones that many thousands of us have contracted and survived. About one person a day contracts it in the UK. Meningitis most often affects seemingly completely healthy people many in the prime of their lives, students, kids and toddlers etc. It is interesting that some studies show increased risk after administration of blood products intravenously, (which he may have had as part of his treatment), but other risk factors are immunocompromised people too. I'd maintain my position that living a life as he seems to have been, could mean he has been immunocompromised for donkeys years, not 2 months since he got nerve agent on himself.
Or he could be just "unlucky" like the other person who contracts it every single day, myself included near 40 years ago now.
Now, we could go on to debate whether his lifestyle contributed to him becoming contaminated by Novichok, as my comment refers to the "whole situation". I'd submit that "IF" the contamination was via a discarded bottle found in a bin or dump, well I'd not be at much risk of contamination myself. Yes, a council worker could be, or even someone doing a local cleanup, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. Perhaps their lifestyle, chosen or otherwise, contributed to them being contaminated with this awful stuff? It's certainly possible, isn't it? And that is all I have said.
eharding said:
TTmonkey said:
effkay said:
Announced names that are thought to be false. Well that's a shocker. Takes them what, 6 months to come up with a photo of someone that probably left the country within hours of the event.
trickywoo said:
poo at Paul's said:
Cant help feeling that the lifestyle of the two most recent victims plays a large part in the whole situation and prognosis etc.
Not that I'm an expert but I'm pretty sure if you were an Olympic gold medalist and you sprayed novichok neat onto your wrists perfume style it wouldn't end well.The fact they have buried the police cars involved in the original incident says it all.
Or it could be directly attributable to his treatment for the neve agent, as I mention in my post just above, ie intravenous blood products which some studies can increase meningitis risk.
Or, the guy may be just bloody unlucky, just like the other 350 odd people a year who get meningitis.
Tom Logan said:
Yeah, if they aren't goateed company directors they're scum, so fk 'em eh?
Who is saying "fk 'em eh?k em?". Read and quote the WHOLE post I wrote, which I wrote, incidently, as a survivor of meningitis myself! I clearly state that I hope it isn't as bad as his brother, (not any clinicians, doctors etc) is reporting in the papers. But I stand my comments and concern that a lifestyle such as the one lead by these victims of this poisoning cannot "help matters". It cannot be helping him in his fight against meningitis and indeed could be a major factor in him contracting it, AS COULD his Novichok poisoning and subsequent treatment.
But it is a fact that the poor sods accidently infected by the Novichok discarded container live a lifestyle that the majority of us don't live, ie homeless, history of drug use and abuse etc, one could argue it is a significant contributory factor to the poisoning itself. IE they were more at risk of finding a discarded container etc compared to people who live a more conformist life?
I reiterate, I hope it is not as bad as the brother is making out to the press, and I hope that his meningitis treatment is as successful as mine was!
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Eric Mc said:
poo at Paul's said:
"Victim Blaming"? The usual Eric claptrap and BS. You're like a broken fking record!!
As is your bad language.king record!! Nice to see PH standards being kept up by the usual crowd.
Congrats all round.
You're a deliberately obtuse bore, always have been on here, always will be. Everyone knows it, so fill your boots, son.....old dog, new tricks, and all that!.
The Telegraph said:
They stayed in the two-star City Stay Hotel, in Bow, east London, during their stay in the UK.
Officers searching their room on May 4 discovered traces of Novichok, but Scotland Yard said there is no risk to other guests.
Well, that explains why the authorities are so certain it was these two.Officers searching their room on May 4 discovered traces of Novichok, but Scotland Yard said there is no risk to other guests.
As for the two suspects whose aliases we have not only did they fly out after the attack but do you reckon they are actually still alive - I don’t. Once they returned home their paymaster be it Putin or another business rival will have had them disposed of so there’s no one to tell the full tale and connect it to the paymaster. I very much doubt anyone will ever stand trial over this.
On another note, Charlie Rowley you didn’t deserve this. Hope you turn things around and try to live a happy and productive life.
On another note, Charlie Rowley you didn’t deserve this. Hope you turn things around and try to live a happy and productive life.
poo at Paul's said:
Well there seems to be so much language you seem to not understand, Eric (pretend to not understand), I thought if I chucked an expletive that I am sure you every day, you may "get it" this time.
You're a deliberately obtuse bore, always have been on here, always will be. Everyone knows it, so fill your boots, son.....old dog, new tricks, and all that!.
Of course I understand your foul language. That's why I don't like it.You're a deliberately obtuse bore, always have been on here, always will be. Everyone knows it, so fill your boots, son.....old dog, new tricks, and all that!.
Name calling - cursing - being generally obnoxious.
Yep - no changes there.
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