M1 Lorry crash
Discussion
Vipers said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
Rich_W said:
It wont happen of course, but Id like to see life ban from driving for the perpetrators!
I mean if you shot someone by accident you'd be banned from owning a gun again wouldn't you?
I think it's high time we treated road fatalities with the same seriousness as death by any other way. Forget fines and points. No one cares seemingly! Only if you thought you may never be able to drive again would people give it the same level of attention!
There is a big difference in the intended function of a gun and vehicle though. Plus they have been effectively banned from driving HGVs for life, since no one will ever employ them again.I mean if you shot someone by accident you'd be banned from owning a gun again wouldn't you?
I think it's high time we treated road fatalities with the same seriousness as death by any other way. Forget fines and points. No one cares seemingly! Only if you thought you may never be able to drive again would people give it the same level of attention!
Camelot1971 said:
This video never ceases to amaze me how good truck brakes can be (if the driver is paying attention!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
Wow, that’s impressive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
What kind of mindless piece of faecal matter parks up on a live lane of a motorway.
The people we have to share the road with! I just can't comprehend the stupidity.
You have to have some skill to pass an HGV test. A lot more than for passing the car one.
So how the fek was this
allowed to drive?
The people we have to share the road with! I just can't comprehend the stupidity.
You have to have some skill to pass an HGV test. A lot more than for passing the car one.
So how the fek was this
allowed to drive?funkyrobot said:
Camelot1971 said:
This video never ceases to amaze me how good truck brakes can be (if the driver is paying attention!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
I'm probably wrong, but isn't that an automatic braking system?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9EIjUx20I
Russian Troll Bot said:
There is a big difference in the intended function of a gun and vehicle though. Plus they have been effectively banned from driving HGVs for life, since no one will ever employ them again.
Big difference in intended function perhaps but not in terms of end result.And I don't just mean the HGV drivers in this case. I mean ANYONE that kills in their car (so long as its deemed their fault by a court) being banned for life
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croyde said:
What kind of mindless piece of faecal matter parks up on a live lane of a motorway.
The people we have to share the road with! I just can't comprehend the stupidity.
You have to have some skill to pass an HGV test. A lot more than for passing the car one.
So how the fek was this allowed to drive?
You are assuming he passed his test in the UK. Of course, with the numbers of foreign-registered HGVs on the roads, and very few checks, it's anyone's guess.The people we have to share the road with! I just can't comprehend the stupidity.
You have to have some skill to pass an HGV test. A lot more than for passing the car one.
So how the fek was this
allowed to drive?Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
Digga said:
You are assuming he passed his test in the UK. Of course, with the numbers of foreign-registered HGVs on the roads, and very few checks, it's anyone's guess.
Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
It does seem wrong somehow that HGVs, some of which seem to be in a highly dubious state of mechanical repair, driven by people that probably did not have to undergo a rigorous test, are allowed on our roads.Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
On my many trips across the UK motorway and A road systems, I have seen many almost accidents involving HGVs with weird number plates.
Just beggars belief that Mr Drunk from abroad thought it OK to just stop on a live lane of a motorway.
I've not seen his sentence if it was posted earlier. I hope it is a bloody long one.
croyde said:
Digga said:
You are assuming he passed his test in the UK. Of course, with the numbers of foreign-registered HGVs on the roads, and very few checks, it's anyone's guess.
Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
It does seem wrong somehow that HGVs, some of which seem to be in a highly dubious state of mechanical repair, driven by people that probably did not have to undergo a rigorous test, are allowed on our roads.Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
On my many trips across the UK motorway and A road systems, I have seen many almost accidents involving HGVs with weird number plates.
Just beggars belief that Mr Drunk from abroad thought it OK to just stop on a live lane of a motorway.
I've not seen his sentence if it was posted earlier. I hope it is a bloody long one.
FiF said:
croyde said:
Digga said:
You are assuming he passed his test in the UK. Of course, with the numbers of foreign-registered HGVs on the roads, and very few checks, it's anyone's guess.
Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
It does seem wrong somehow that HGVs, some of which seem to be in a highly dubious state of mechanical repair, driven by people that probably did not have to undergo a rigorous test, are allowed on our roads.Drivers serving in the UK have to complete 35 hour of driver training every 5 years, in 7 hour blocks, but in practice, it's just a turn up, participate and tick the box exercise. Many drivers do the same stuff every year. So it's only really as good as the attendees and the courses being taught. It's a royal waste of time on the whole.
As for your first and second comments, I agree completely. Utter lack of consideration or responsibility.
On my many trips across the UK motorway and A road systems, I have seen many almost accidents involving HGVs with weird number plates.
Just beggars belief that Mr Drunk from abroad thought it OK to just stop on a live lane of a motorway.
I've not seen his sentence if it was posted earlier. I hope it is a bloody long one.
About 2 years ago i was heading down one of the 'smart' sections of the M1 which was under hard shoulder running. In the live section of it a car and lorry had collided and were parked up within sight of signs saying 'Use hard shoulder'. The limit at the time was 50/60 (which i was doing) and i still came much closer than i would have liked to hitting them in day light. On phoning the police they didn't sound too bothered and were asking me for details like number plates of the car/lorry, rather than getting the signs changed immediately. I've also passed a (black car) parked in lane 3 of the M6, in the rain at night barely seeing it before i was past and a very slow moving lorry in the middle lane (nothing either side of it fortunately) which came up massively quickly. These were both unlit sections and involved good doses of luck on my part. As a result I've got a lot of sympathy for the vehicles that came up behind the parked lorry.
Short sharp curt replies as when using our walkie talkies whilst driving vans back in the 80s fair enough but...
Long rambling vacuous conversations, arguments with kids, catching up with mum are not things that you should be doing whilst in control of 1.5 tonnes of metal and glass let alone 40 tonnes.
I had a hands free voice activated system in my last car and I know that my concentration wasn't 100% on what I was doing.
You end up driving miles and nothing untoward happens but if something suddenly occurs. ...
I was driving my local dark country roads at night. Everyone drives at at least 60.
Full concentration, enjoying the drive and up ahead I see red rear lights.
I'm gaining on them and I prepare to slow and then look for an opportunity to overtake.
OMG S5it!! Nearly collide.
It's a quad bike traveling at 10 miles an hour.
Now if I had been chatting on my hands free....
Modern cars and trucks have become nice comfy little havens and the addition of fancy cruise controls must lull the driver further into his safe cocoon.
My current car is 20 years old. Just an airbag for me, if it still works, handles badly, heavy steering, ancient tungsten headlights.
Never have the problem of losing concentration as I'm too busy actually driving the thing.
Long rambling vacuous conversations, arguments with kids, catching up with mum are not things that you should be doing whilst in control of 1.5 tonnes of metal and glass let alone 40 tonnes.
I had a hands free voice activated system in my last car and I know that my concentration wasn't 100% on what I was doing.
You end up driving miles and nothing untoward happens but if something suddenly occurs. ...
I was driving my local dark country roads at night. Everyone drives at at least 60.
Full concentration, enjoying the drive and up ahead I see red rear lights.
I'm gaining on them and I prepare to slow and then look for an opportunity to overtake.
OMG S5it!! Nearly collide.
It's a quad bike traveling at 10 miles an hour.
Now if I had been chatting on my hands free....
Modern cars and trucks have become nice comfy little havens and the addition of fancy cruise controls must lull the driver further into his safe cocoon.
My current car is 20 years old. Just an airbag for me, if it still works, handles badly, heavy steering, ancient tungsten headlights.
Never have the problem of losing concentration as I'm too busy actually driving the thing.
Edited by croyde on Monday 12th March 11:15
Cliftonite said:
zarjaz1991 said:
AJL308 said:
No excuse for any phone use while driving - it's dangerous. Hands-free should never have been allowed from the off. We're stuck with it now though.
Nonsense. Hands free is perfectly safe if you're not a pleb.Needs to to get the same pariah treatment as drink driving.
anonymous said:
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And yet I'm mindful of a fatal collision investigation involving a UK coach from what I thought was a professional company, travelled with them many times as a kid and on school trips, where on investigation we found the brakes so worn that the fronts were totally inop and the rears partially so. The brake wear indicator system had been frigged so the dashboard warning lights didn't work. Firm still operating.Then again the South Yorkshire transport company involved in another fatal, sports car driver went underneath the semi trailer on a U turning artic where the side marker lights were inop, other lights dirty and broken, and the driver was double shifting tacho records. Another driver from the same yard was found on a more comprehensive investigation to have left the Yorkshire yard, driven to Felixstowe, tipped, picked up a load for Aberdeen, tipped, picked up another load and was now in Cambridgeshire on his way back to Felixstowe all without any rest. He was stopped at that point as the VOSA investigators following him could no longer keep themselves awake. Another outfit still operating.
anonymous said:
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Hey, let's be clear. I am not, for one second, claiming there aren't UK registered trucks, drivers and firms (go look at the Stobart trolls for some lovely examples) that already fail to meet standards. However, the control DVSA (VOSA as was) has over them is far, far greater and they're much more likely to be detected and prosecuted.anonymous said:
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Don't disagree with that to be fair. Target the foreigners deliberately and the r card gets pulled early doors. Try following up a collision investigation when various parties have cleared off to wherever for years. That's before we even get to Traffic Commissioner roles and responsibilities in all this regarding UK vs foreign operators.Mind you carry on we will get slasher on the case in a bit with his usual deliberate misinterpretations.
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