Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s
Discussion
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
I am now oot
Edited by alfie2244 on Saturday 26th May 16:17
alfie2244 said:
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
I am now oot
Edited by alfie2244 on Saturday 26th May 16:17
My guess is just the first. In which case we really don’t have the full story
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula...
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula...
TR was whisked into court, instantly sentenced for contempt of court, and rushed off to prison.
It seems due process has not been properly followed by the judge (my italics):
Committal for Contempt of Court
The Lord Chief Justice has issued a Practice Direction setting out the requirements for open justice in relation to committals for contempt of court.112 The Practice Direction applies to all proceedings for committal for contempt of court and to all courts in England and Wales.
The fundamental requirement is that all committal hearings, whether on application or otherwise and whether for contempt in the face of the court or for any other form of contempt, shall be listed and heard in public. If a court is exceptionally considering derogating from the general rule and holding a committal hearing in private, or imposing any other restriction on open justice, it must give advance notice to the national print and broadcast media and hear submissions at the outset of the hearing from the parties and the media.Where the court decides to hold a committal hearing in private,I it must first sit in public and give a reasoned judgment setting out the basis for its decision.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
It seems due process has not been properly followed by the judge (my italics):
Committal for Contempt of Court
The Lord Chief Justice has issued a Practice Direction setting out the requirements for open justice in relation to committals for contempt of court.112 The Practice Direction applies to all proceedings for committal for contempt of court and to all courts in England and Wales.
The fundamental requirement is that all committal hearings, whether on application or otherwise and whether for contempt in the face of the court or for any other form of contempt, shall be listed and heard in public. If a court is exceptionally considering derogating from the general rule and holding a committal hearing in private, or imposing any other restriction on open justice, it must give advance notice to the national print and broadcast media and hear submissions at the outset of the hearing from the parties and the media.Where the court decides to hold a committal hearing in private,I it must first sit in public and give a reasoned judgment setting out the basis for its decision.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
WinstonWolf said:
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
Alpinestars said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula...
Alpinestars said:
WinstonWolf said:
Gloria Slap said:
alfie2244 said:
...still struggling to see what peace he was disturbing though...........not sure it shows the British justice system in a good light
You seem unable to see what poor TR has done wrong.You sound like a TR apologist/fan.
Only a TR fan would be unable to see it.
There are a fair few on this thread.
audidoody said:
TR was whisked into court, instantly sentenced for contempt of court, and rushed off to prison.
It seems due process has not been properly followed by the judge (my italics):
Committal for Contempt of Court
The Lord Chief Justice has issued a Practice Direction setting out the requirements for open justice in relation to committals for contempt of court.112 The Practice Direction applies to all proceedings for committal for contempt of court and to all courts in England and Wales.
The fundamental requirement is that all committal hearings, whether on application or otherwise and whether for contempt in the face of the court or for any other form of contempt, shall be listed and heard in public. If a court is exceptionally considering derogating from the general rule and holding a committal hearing in private, or imposing any other restriction on open justice, it must give advance notice to the national print and broadcast media and hear submissions at the outset of the hearing from the parties and the media.Where the court decides to hold a committal hearing in private,I it must first sit in public and give a reasoned judgment setting out the basis for its decision.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
Would the slip rule be brought into play in this case then?It seems due process has not been properly followed by the judge (my italics):
Committal for Contempt of Court
The Lord Chief Justice has issued a Practice Direction setting out the requirements for open justice in relation to committals for contempt of court.112 The Practice Direction applies to all proceedings for committal for contempt of court and to all courts in England and Wales.
The fundamental requirement is that all committal hearings, whether on application or otherwise and whether for contempt in the face of the court or for any other form of contempt, shall be listed and heard in public. If a court is exceptionally considering derogating from the general rule and holding a committal hearing in private, or imposing any other restriction on open justice, it must give advance notice to the national print and broadcast media and hear submissions at the outset of the hearing from the parties and the media.Where the court decides to hold a committal hearing in private,I it must first sit in public and give a reasoned judgment setting out the basis for its decision.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
ReverendCounter said:
audidoody said:
TR was whisked into court, instantly sentenced for contempt of court, and rushed off to prison.
It seems due process has not been properly followed by the judge (my italics):
Committal for Contempt of Court
The Lord Chief Justice has issued a Practice Direction setting out the requirements for open justice in relation to committals for contempt of court.112 The Practice Direction applies to all proceedings for committal for contempt of court and to all courts in England and Wales.
The fundamental requirement is that all committal hearings, whether on application or otherwise and whether for contempt in the face of the court or for any other form of contempt, shall be listed and heard in public. If a court is exceptionally considering derogating from the general rule and holding a committal hearing in private, or imposing any other restriction on open justice, it must give advance notice to the national print and broadcast media and hear submissions at the outset of the hearing from the parties and the media.Where the court decides to hold a committal hearing in private,I it must first sit in public and give a reasoned judgment setting out the basis for its decision.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
Would the slip rule be brought into play in this case then?It seems due process has not been properly followed by the judge (my italics):
Committal for Contempt of Court
The Lord Chief Justice has issued a Practice Direction setting out the requirements for open justice in relation to committals for contempt of court.112 The Practice Direction applies to all proceedings for committal for contempt of court and to all courts in England and Wales.
The fundamental requirement is that all committal hearings, whether on application or otherwise and whether for contempt in the face of the court or for any other form of contempt, shall be listed and heard in public. If a court is exceptionally considering derogating from the general rule and holding a committal hearing in private, or imposing any other restriction on open justice, it must give advance notice to the national print and broadcast media and hear submissions at the outset of the hearing from the parties and the media.Where the court decides to hold a committal hearing in private,I it must first sit in public and give a reasoned judgment setting out the basis for its decision.
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
Apparently his personal solictor was called by his team and got in touch with the police station he was taken to.She advised them she was on her way to the police station to act as his legal representation and was told she was not needed as he was being released. Shortly afterwards he was taken to court and given a court appointed solicitor and found guilty.
As such that may be a serious problem if it can be proven the police did in effect a bait and switch.
The whole thing stinks to absolute high heaven.
HE was there filming for a while and police were present. At no time was he asked to stop filming so far as I am aware. Then suddenly a bunch of police come up to him and arrest him for breach of the peace. At no point so far as I am aware did they ask him to stop filming.
He was then taken to a police station and within two hours of that he was in court, sentenced to 13 months and on his way to jail.
Roughly 2 hours from arrest to sentence is so far as I am aware of pretty much unheard of.
frankenstein12 said:
To be fair thats not the courts only problem.
Apparently his personal solictor was called by his team and got in touch with the police station he was taken to.She advised them she was on her way to the police station to act as his legal representation and was told she was not needed as he was being released. Shortly afterwards he was taken to court and given a court appointed solicitor and found guilty.
As such that may be a serious problem if it can be proven the police did in effect a bait and switch.
The whole thing stinks to absolute high heaven.
HE was there filming for a while and police were present. At no time was he asked to stop filming so far as I am aware. Then suddenly a bunch of police come up to him and arrest him for breach of the peace. At no point so far as I am aware did they ask him to stop filming.
He was then taken to a police station and within two hours of that he was in court, sentenced to 13 months and on his way to jail.
Roughly 2 hours from arrest to sentence is so far as I am aware of pretty much unheard of.
For breaching the terms of a suspended sentence? What he was arrested for (suspected breach of the peace) is somewhat irrelevant.Apparently his personal solictor was called by his team and got in touch with the police station he was taken to.She advised them she was on her way to the police station to act as his legal representation and was told she was not needed as he was being released. Shortly afterwards he was taken to court and given a court appointed solicitor and found guilty.
As such that may be a serious problem if it can be proven the police did in effect a bait and switch.
The whole thing stinks to absolute high heaven.
HE was there filming for a while and police were present. At no time was he asked to stop filming so far as I am aware. Then suddenly a bunch of police come up to him and arrest him for breach of the peace. At no point so far as I am aware did they ask him to stop filming.
He was then taken to a police station and within two hours of that he was in court, sentenced to 13 months and on his way to jail.
Roughly 2 hours from arrest to sentence is so far as I am aware of pretty much unheard of.
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
To be fair thats not the courts only problem.
Apparently his personal solictor was called by his team and got in touch with the police station he was taken to.She advised them she was on her way to the police station to act as his legal representation and was told she was not needed as he was being released. Shortly afterwards he was taken to court and given a court appointed solicitor and found guilty.
As such that may be a serious problem if it can be proven the police did in effect a bait and switch.
The whole thing stinks to absolute high heaven.
HE was there filming for a while and police were present. At no time was he asked to stop filming so far as I am aware. Then suddenly a bunch of police come up to him and arrest him for breach of the peace. At no point so far as I am aware did they ask him to stop filming.
He was then taken to a police station and within two hours of that he was in court, sentenced to 13 months and on his way to jail.
Roughly 2 hours from arrest to sentence is so far as I am aware of pretty much unheard of.
For breaching the terms of a suspended sentence? What he was arrested for (suspected breach of the peace) is somewhat irrelevant.Apparently his personal solictor was called by his team and got in touch with the police station he was taken to.She advised them she was on her way to the police station to act as his legal representation and was told she was not needed as he was being released. Shortly afterwards he was taken to court and given a court appointed solicitor and found guilty.
As such that may be a serious problem if it can be proven the police did in effect a bait and switch.
The whole thing stinks to absolute high heaven.
HE was there filming for a while and police were present. At no time was he asked to stop filming so far as I am aware. Then suddenly a bunch of police come up to him and arrest him for breach of the peace. At no point so far as I am aware did they ask him to stop filming.
He was then taken to a police station and within two hours of that he was in court, sentenced to 13 months and on his way to jail.
Roughly 2 hours from arrest to sentence is so far as I am aware of pretty much unheard of.
I really hope this goes very sideways for the police and courts as it will be a huge embarrassment. Totally counter productive to what I think they intended and there is a lot of anger about it as shown by the amount of people who turned up to protest in London at 24hrs notice and apparently there are more protests planned in the coming days both in london and other cities.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 27th May 03:18
Zod said:
Man gets arrested and imprisoned for breach of terms of suspended sentence. End of story, except of course for the fact that such man is high profile racist, worshipped by ordinary racists like those at Downing St yesterday and our very own f12.
Pretty much sums up the whole thing, except for the racists who love to see Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, convicted criminal, as some sort of martyr.
Edited by berlintaxi on Sunday 27th May 07:20
Are people really worried about creeping powers of the state here and freedoms of speech?
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
El stovey said:
Are people really worried about creeping powers of the state here and freedoms of speech?
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
+ million.I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
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