Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s
Discussion
Zod said:
Man gets arrested and imprisoned for breach of terms of suspended sentence. End of story...
Is it though?Tommy, or whatever he calls himself this week, may or may not be what is claimed by the majority here, I personally have no feelings either way as I simply don't know enough of the man to pass judgement. However that said, no-one and I mean no-one, should sit back and allow the law to be dished out, as it is being done in this case.
Regardless of what Tommy stands for, the law is simply wrong if this is happening.
People opposed to the Nuremburg laws broke the law, Ghandi broke the law, Martin Luther King Jr broke the law, Rosa Parks broke the law; sometimes laws have to be broken when they are unjust! The Statues that are being used as law are being wrongly enforced. It is shocking to see the UK judicial system acting in such a way and there will only be massive backlash against this. Below refers and is just the start if this isn't resolved asap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q91kzzwdSc
El stovey said:
Are people really worried about creeping powers of the state here and freedoms of speech?
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
Doesn’t matter if you’re dealing with ISIS or Britain First, sweeping stuff under the carpet in secret is not the way to deal with the problem. By doing that, you just convince the supporters that there is justice in the cause. I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
People should have the right to say what they like. In a similar vein, other people should have the right to refute what they say, and show that they are indeed, dicks.
Sticking someone in prison for filming outside a courtroom seems ... quite a long way down a slippery slope, whether you agree with their views or not.
Gloria Slap said:
El stovey said:
Are people really worried about creeping powers of the state here and freedoms of speech?
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
+ million.I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
You're equally bigoted.
In the same vein, should I should be able to watch IS recruiting videos and download bomb making documents because I have no intention of doing anything wrong?
With any form of extremeism, you are dealing with a bunch of not very bright people being manipulated by some very smart people. The more you muzzle the smart people (at moments of their choosing), the more the thick people are convinced that there is something worth fighting for. It used to be called martyrdom.
With any form of extremeism, you are dealing with a bunch of not very bright people being manipulated by some very smart people. The more you muzzle the smart people (at moments of their choosing), the more the thick people are convinced that there is something worth fighting for. It used to be called martyrdom.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Is it though?
Tommy, or whatever he calls himself this week, may or may not be what is claimed by the majority here, I personally have no feelings either way as I simply don't know enough of the man to pass judgement. However that said, no-one and I mean no-one, should sit back and allow the law to be dished out, as it is being done in this case.
Regardless of what Tommy stands for, the law is simply wrong if this is happening.
People opposed to the Nuremburg laws broke the law, Ghandi broke the law, Martin Luther King Jr broke the law, Rosa Parks broke the law; sometimes laws have to be broken when they are unjust! The Statues that are being used as law are being wrongly enforced. It is shocking to see the UK judicial system acting in such a way and there will only be massive backlash against this. Below refers and is just the start if this isn't resolved asap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q91kzzwdSc
Are you really comparing TR with Ghandi, MLK and Rosa Parks? Really?Tommy, or whatever he calls himself this week, may or may not be what is claimed by the majority here, I personally have no feelings either way as I simply don't know enough of the man to pass judgement. However that said, no-one and I mean no-one, should sit back and allow the law to be dished out, as it is being done in this case.
Regardless of what Tommy stands for, the law is simply wrong if this is happening.
People opposed to the Nuremburg laws broke the law, Ghandi broke the law, Martin Luther King Jr broke the law, Rosa Parks broke the law; sometimes laws have to be broken when they are unjust! The Statues that are being used as law are being wrongly enforced. It is shocking to see the UK judicial system acting in such a way and there will only be massive backlash against this. Below refers and is just the start if this isn't resolved asap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q91kzzwdSc
We don't know the truth of what was said and done, but what we do have is a bunch of racist apologists claiming a miscarriage of justice based on hear-say and interpretation of video 'evidence'. Lets see what happens when the facts become known.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.
To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.
Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
Unless that is the idea, keep him in a state of perpetual fear just to silence him.To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really f
king carefully if you have any sense.Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.
To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.
Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
Tommy is a martyr to the cause. This is the best thing that he could have hoped for. All his bigoted supporters now think the government have an agenda against ordinary people and may have dropped a clanger that Karius would be embarrassed about. To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really f
king carefully if you have any sense.Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
frankenstein12 said:
I never said what he was arrested for is relevant. I merely pointed out that his solicitor appears to have been lied to by police therefore denying him his right to choose or appoint his own defence and that he was taken to court and sentenced within 2 hours which as is posted above a breach of terms on multiple levels plus also not "normal" in terms of the speed at which it was done.
I really hope this goes very sideways for the police and courts as it will be a huge embarrassment. Totally counter productive to what I think they intended and there is a lot of anger about it as shown by the amount of people who turned up to protest in London at 24hrs notice and apparently there are more protests planned in the coming days both in london and other cities.
What's the source of this claim his solicitor was misled? Given the number of inaccurate statements about this issued by his supporters (eg Southern claiming he'd been charged, tried and convicted in 2 hours, when he'd simply been processed for contempt of court by breaching his suspension), I think I'll wait before agreeing that it actually happened as you claim.I really hope this goes very sideways for the police and courts as it will be a huge embarrassment. Totally counter productive to what I think they intended and there is a lot of anger about it as shown by the amount of people who turned up to protest in London at 24hrs notice and apparently there are more protests planned in the coming days both in london and other cities.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 27th May 03:18
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
People opposed to the Nuremburg laws broke the law, Ghandi broke the law, Martin Luther King Jr broke the law, Rosa Parks broke the law
I’ve actually seen it all now.But why stop there? Poems, sonnets and protest songs need to be written about dear old Tommy Robinhood.
He's the hero Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
Wait, not a dark knight. He wouldn’t like that moniker would he?
Gloria Slap said:
El stovey said:
Are people really worried about creeping powers of the state here and freedoms of speech?
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
+ million.I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
You both appear to have a very binary view of the debate.........
Is Andrew Norfolk a thick hateful racist?
Crackie said:
Gloria Slap said:
El stovey said:
Are people really worried about creeping powers of the state here and freedoms of speech?
I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
+ million.I can’t help but think the same people supporting Robinson are the same ones on all the threads about brexit and Muslims and trump and now gammons etc.
It’s seems to be part of a package that on the surface is all about personal freedoms but actual is just bigotry. I actually used to think that Robinson was evidence of a problem with immigration that needs to be addressed and is being ignored by the government, but really the problem is that some people are just thick hateful racists.
You simply can’t create a society where bigots won’t find something the rage about. Let’s address the root cause. It’s not immigrants it’s intolerance.
You both appear to have a very binary view of the debate.........
Is Andrew Norfolk a thick hateful racist?
TR is hugely polarising. To some he’s a folk hero, to others he’s a racist bigot. So don’t be surprised when you have binary reactions to him.
coyft said:
I was just about to post the same thing.In a matter of days that petition is already just outside the top ten of most popular online UK petitions of all time.
coyft said:
Harassing defendants as they turn up for court and streaming it live can never be a good thing for the judicial process. He was warned, took no notice and has suffered the consequences.
I'm not disagreeing but how did the media get away with it with the Rolf Harris, Max Clifford etc cases? Not to mention Chris jeffries who's life was ruined by the media? coyft said:
Harassing defendants as they turn up for court and streaming it live can never be a good thing for the judicial process. He was warned, took no notice and has suffered the consequences.
:nodshead:What some people here don't seem to understand is that TR is/was serving a suspended sentence.
That means he was found guilty and convicted for a crime, but allowed to stay out of jail under strict conditions .
He breached those conditions, and was jailed for it.
Dindoit said:
I’ve actually seen it all now.
But why stop there? Poems, sonnets and protest songs need to be written about dear old Tommy Robinhood.
He's the hero Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
Wait, not a dark knight. He wouldn’t like that moniker would he?
Norsefire sounds goodBut why stop there? Poems, sonnets and protest songs need to be written about dear old Tommy Robinhood.
He's the hero Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
Wait, not a dark knight. He wouldn’t like that moniker would he?
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