Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s
Discussion
Noodle1982 said:
coyft said:
Harassing defendants as they turn up for court and streaming it live can never be a good thing for the judicial process. He was warned, took no notice and has suffered the consequences.
I'm not disagreeing but how did the media get away with it with the Rolf Harris, Max Clifford etc cases? Not to mention Chris jeffries who's life was ruined by the media? It seems a lot of these grooming gang trials have restrictions in place until all the related trials are over. The BBC have several reports which specifically mention this.
Noodle1982 said:
coyft said:
Harassing defendants as they turn up for court and streaming it live can never be a good thing for the judicial process. He was warned, took no notice and has suffered the consequences.
I'm not disagreeing but how did the media get away with it with the Rolf Harris, Max Clifford etc cases? Not to mention Chris jeffries who's life was ruined by the media? 
Noodle1982 said:
coyft said:
I was just about to post the same thing.In a matter of days that petition is already just outside the top ten of most popular online UK petitions of all time.
coyft said:
Isn't it more about how justice is served? How the court process works, innocent until proven guilty, respecting judges and their rulings?
Honestly if you're going to flout all this, what do you expect is going to happen? He was given a warning and disregarded it.
There should still be a due process, and this happened too quickly I'd say. Maybe there is some other case where someone on a probation got sentenced in a couple of hours but I haven't heard of it.Honestly if you're going to flout all this, what do you expect is going to happen? He was given a warning and disregarded it.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.
To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.
Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
Agreed Tommy has a habit of putting himself in stupid situations and at times egging people on. In this case however I think to myself had a reporter or member of the public with an interest in the case (not Tommy) been filming outside the courthouse would they have been treated the same and I very much doubt it.To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really f
king carefully if you have any sense.Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.
It is to me a very worrying step along with in fact using these court orders banning reporting of cases. If the defendents legal council can use the fact the case is being reported as a legal defence then the solution is not to punish those reporting but to stop the use of media reporting as a defence.
Alpinestars said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.
To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.
Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
Tommy is a martyr to the cause. This is the best thing that he could have hoped for. All his bigoted supporters now think the government have an agenda against ordinary people and may have dropped a clanger that Karius would be embarrassed about. To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really f
king carefully if you have any sense.Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
I never said what he was arrested for is relevant. I merely pointed out that his solicitor appears to have been lied to by police therefore denying him his right to choose or appoint his own defence and that he was taken to court and sentenced within 2 hours which as is posted above a breach of terms on multiple levels plus also not "normal" in terms of the speed at which it was done.
I really hope this goes very sideways for the police and courts as it will be a huge embarrassment. Totally counter productive to what I think they intended and there is a lot of anger about it as shown by the amount of people who turned up to protest in London at 24hrs notice and apparently there are more protests planned in the coming days both in london and other cities.
What's the source of this claim his solicitor was misled? Given the number of inaccurate statements about this issued by his supporters (eg Southern claiming he'd been charged, tried and convicted in 2 hours, when he'd simply been processed for contempt of court by breaching his suspension), I think I'll wait before agreeing that it actually happened as you claim.I really hope this goes very sideways for the police and courts as it will be a huge embarrassment. Totally counter productive to what I think they intended and there is a lot of anger about it as shown by the amount of people who turned up to protest in London at 24hrs notice and apparently there are more protests planned in the coming days both in london and other cities.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 27th May 03:18
frankenstein12 said:
Alpinestars said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I think Tommy has to accept some personal responsibility here.
To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really fking carefully if you have any sense.
Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
Tommy is a martyr to the cause. This is the best thing that he could have hoped for. All his bigoted supporters now think the government have an agenda against ordinary people and may have dropped a clanger that Karius would be embarrassed about. To use an analogy, if you're on nine points you drive really f
king carefully if you have any sense.Tommy's MO seems to be to put himself into daft positions then have people film him being the victim.
Anybody who thinks what happened is ok, I sincerely hope it never happens to you
This taken from Facebook
Mohammed Beesnatch
2 hrs
Two days ago an independent journalist stood outside a court to report on a child rape case.
He had been told by the police that he was within his rights to do so.
Shortly afterwards he was arrested for “breach of the peace”.
All he had done was stand outside filming.
Whilst he was under arrest the police told his family, friends and solicitor that he was due to be released.
Within an hour he was taken to a private courtroom, in front of a judge without his solicitor.
The judge issued him a 13 month prison sentence.
The judge also issued a media blackout on the case.
I thought kangaroo courts were only operated in 3rd world countries and communist states?
What happened to our right to a fair trial?
A right that our ancestors fought and died for?
I thought this was the UK not Soviet Russia?
And to top things off, people are laughing about it, they mock this man, say “it serves him right” etc.
This man puts his life, freedom and reputation on the line to warn people of certain issues in this country, the sacrifice he made on Friday was a prime example of this.
Those people won’t laugh and mock him when their family or friends become a victim of the very people he tries to expose.
This country will burn to the ground one day, and the people who stayed silent, the people who turned a blind eye, the people who abused and attacked anyone who spoke out and tried to prevent this, will realise what they’ve done.
Never have I been so embarrassed of my own country as I have been for the past two days.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 27th May 12:26
frankenstein12 said:
Agreed Tommy has a habit of putting himself in stupid situations and at times egging people on. In this case however I think to myself had a reporter or member of the public with an interest in the case (not Tommy) been filming outside the courthouse would they have been treated the same and I very much doubt it.
As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.
It is to me a very worrying step along with in fact using these court orders banning reporting of cases. If the defendents legal council can use the fact the case is being reported as a legal defence then the solution is not to punish those reporting but to stop the use of media reporting as a defence.
I believe suspended sentences can have terms imposed? I'm not suggesting that's the case here, just making the point that it may not be as simple as poor subjugated Tommy being arrested simply because they don't like his face, though having people believe that seems exactly in line with his MO.As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.
It is to me a very worrying step along with in fact using these court orders banning reporting of cases. If the defendents legal council can use the fact the case is being reported as a legal defence then the solution is not to punish those reporting but to stop the use of media reporting as a defence.
coyft said:
Harassing defendants as they turn up for court and streaming it live can never be a good thing for the judicial process. He was warned, took no notice and has suffered the consequences.
Did he?If so that was monumentally stupid on his part as its what got him locked up the first time. On one hand he would deserve to have his license revoked on the other hand I do worry about this sort of thing. I havent seen footage showing him doing so due to the media ban.
I am all for those accused of rape to be allowed their privacy till found guilty but once found guilty I see no reason they should be granted silence. I think the whole idea of silencing the press or media from reporting on court cases is a deeply worrying trend.
To me it allows for abuse of law to protect tyranny so to speak. People being allowed to apply for or courts being allowed to apply reporting gag orders seems very wrong to me.
If a case is granted a gagging order we the public do not know about it and as such if a member of or our government does wrong and is granted a gagging order we wont know about because no one will be allowed to report it.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Sunday 27th May 12:45
NoNeed said:
e has already been beaten up, the police lied to his solicitor saying he would be released so don't bother with the long drive meaning Tommy has to use the free court one that had no knowledge of the case.
Anybody who thinks what happened is ok, I sincerely hope it never happens to you
This taken from Facebook
Mohammed Beesnatch
2 hrs
Two days ago an independent journalist stood outside a court to report on a child rape case.
He had been told by the police that he was within his rights to do so.
Shortly afterwards he was arrested for “breach of the peace”.
All he had done was stand outside filming.
Whilst he was under arrest the police told his family, friends and solicitor that he was due to be released.
Within an hour he was taken to a private courtroom, in front of a judge without his solicitor.
The judge issued him a 13 month prison sentence.
The judge also issued a media blackout on the case.
I thought kangaroo courts were only operated in 3rd world countries and communist states?
What happened to our right to a fair trial?
A right that our ancestors fought and died for?
I thought this was the UK not Soviet Russia?
And to top things off, people are laughing about it, they mock this man, say “it serves him right” etc.
This man puts his life, freedom and reputation on the line to warn people of certain issues in this country, the sacrifice he made on Friday was a prime example of this.
Those people won’t laugh and mock him when their family or friends become a victim of the very people he tries to expose.
This country will burn to the ground one day, and the people who stayed silent, the people who turned a blind eye, the people who abused and attacked anyone who spoke out and tried to prevent this, will realise what they’ve done.
Never have I been so embarrassed of my own country as I have been for the past two days.
Anybody who thinks what happened is ok, I sincerely hope it never happens to you
This taken from Facebook
Mohammed Beesnatch
2 hrs
Two days ago an independent journalist stood outside a court to report on a child rape case.
He had been told by the police that he was within his rights to do so.
Shortly afterwards he was arrested for “breach of the peace”.
All he had done was stand outside filming.
Whilst he was under arrest the police told his family, friends and solicitor that he was due to be released.
Within an hour he was taken to a private courtroom, in front of a judge without his solicitor.
The judge issued him a 13 month prison sentence.
The judge also issued a media blackout on the case.
I thought kangaroo courts were only operated in 3rd world countries and communist states?
What happened to our right to a fair trial?
A right that our ancestors fought and died for?
I thought this was the UK not Soviet Russia?
And to top things off, people are laughing about it, they mock this man, say “it serves him right” etc.
This man puts his life, freedom and reputation on the line to warn people of certain issues in this country, the sacrifice he made on Friday was a prime example of this.
Those people won’t laugh and mock him when their family or friends become a victim of the very people he tries to expose.
This country will burn to the ground one day, and the people who stayed silent, the people who turned a blind eye, the people who abused and attacked anyone who spoke out and tried to prevent this, will realise what they’ve done.
Never have I been so embarrassed of my own country as I have been for the past two days.
Dindoit said:
A question to those sympathetic to Tommy’s plight; if Anjem Choudary or Abu Hamza had been sent to jail without the public being told exactly what for would you be satisfied or would you be saying it’s 1984, freedom of speech, police state etc?
Personally I would still be pissed off about it. If you are guilty of a crime you lose the right to anonymity over what you did. Very simple.bhstewie said:
hstewie said:frankenstein12 said:
Agreed Tommy has a habit of putting himself in stupid situations and at times egging people on. In this case however I think to myself had a reporter or member of the public with an interest in the case (not Tommy) been filming outside the courthouse would they have been treated the same and I very much doubt it.
As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.
It is to me a very worrying step along with in fact using these court orders banning reporting of cases. If the defendents legal council can use the fact the case is being reported as a legal defence then the solution is not to punish those reporting but to stop the use of media reporting as a defence.
I believe suspended sentences can have terms imposed? I'm not suggesting that's the case here, just making the point that it may not be as simple as poor subjugated Tommy being arrested simply because they don't like his face, though having people believe that seems exactly in line with his MO.As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.
It is to me a very worrying step along with in fact using these court orders banning reporting of cases. If the defendents legal council can use the fact the case is being reported as a legal defence then the solution is not to punish those reporting but to stop the use of media reporting as a defence.
The series of events is out basically.
If people were not permitted to record outside the courtroom why did the police who weer present allow him to keep filming until the mob who turned up and arrested him turned up?
Why did the mob who turned up and arrested him arrest him for breach of the peace instead of breach of license terms as they would have known who he is and what the terms of his license are?
I was going to ask why he was processed through the system in record time especially given it was a friday but I think if i am to give a wide angle of leniency maybe it was so they could avoid having to hold him in a police cell for the weekend.
frankenstein12 said:
As i said before he was not asked to stop filming he was simply arrested. I very much expect anyone ese would simply have been "politely" advised that if they filmed outside the courthouse they would be arrested.
Why should he be politely asked to stop? He has already has been found guilty of doing the same thing before and must understand the consequences of his actions.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff