Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s

[Einion Yrth]

I don't believe I have championed any cause; as I happens I am somewhat suspicious of TR, his very obvious anti-muslim agenda does not sit well with me having had friends who are muslims over the years. The "muslamic ray-guns" that he was being ridiculed over some years past to appear, however, once past the comic mis-hearing, to have been a thing, and above all I am interested in seeing the wrong-uns brought to justice. If Robinson turns out to be one of those wrong-uns then he should indeed be dealt with under the law, without fear or favour. I'm just less convinced than some that he is, beyond his obvious prejudices' one of the wrong-uns.

[Alpinestars]

Einion Yrth said:

I don't believe I have championed any cause; as I happens I am somewhat suspicious of TR, his very obvious anti-muslim agenda does not sit well with me having had friends who are muslims over the years. The "muslamic ray-guns" that he was being ridiculed over some years past to appear, however, once past the comic mis-hearing, to have been a thing, and above all I am interested in seeing the wrong-uns brought to justice. If Robinson turns out to be one of those wrong-uns then he should indeed be dealt with under the law, without fear or favour. I'm just less convinced than some that he is, beyond his obvious prejudices' one of the wrong-uns.

Why are you suspicious of him? Why doesn’t that suspicious extend to photos which keep resurfacing? How many times do they have to surface for you to think “hang on a minute, there’s a PR machine in action here”?

He’s someone who craves attention and vicitmhood, and is not averse to a bit of bullstting. So excuse me if I find it very difficult to believe anything he (or his supporters) state as facts.

This thread over the last few days is evidence of his supporters’ myopia. Arrested and jailed for carrying out an interview. Judiciary and the police in cahoots to get him locked up. Despite him being given a suspended sentence last time.

[simoid]

NoNeed said:

It's in the video, he approached officers on the steps to ask.

I am not a tommy fan but if this was another country our government and amnesty international would be all over screaming human rights and fair trial E.T.C

It really is a very dangerous precedent that has been set here, and I would be just as concerned if it was a member of Antifa. Something just isn't right and if they really did believe he was putting trials at risk then surely there is a fair and legal way of doing it that doesn't make them look like a third world dictatorship.

It’s surely (and evidently) not a valid defence that someone told him it was ok to do it though.

Did you read the judgement from a year ago? He was told exactly that.

[Dindoit]

This from a UKIP MEP(!) is remarkably sensible summary.

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1000724309780...

[Gloria Slap]

Dindoit said:

From News Thump

I don’t want to sound unwelcoming or prejudiced, but I’ve always believed that if you are going to enjoy all the benefits of living in this country then you should be willing to obey the law.

However if you are not going to try and get a proper job or contribute to the society in which you live, and instead want to spend your days going around causing trouble and breaking our laws, well, you know where the airports are.

LOL.

It really is remarkable. The judge could not be more clear - crystal clear - that he'd be inside if he did it again.

The judge was also clear about the impact he had already had on the jury & defendants (who had to be rerouted), and how he was determined to photograph the defendants.

That 270,000 actually don't seem able to comprehend/understand this, or are fundamentally bigoted racists who support him, is rather sad.

It seems likely TR did this on purpose, confident that his audience would blame "the system" - and they have. Those scaling the gates at No. 10 looked a tolerant bunch.

I don't know how anyone can read and understand that judges report and not conclude TR is a manipulative and dangerous individual who deserves no respect or sympathy whatsoever. For those that defend his actions here in any way, it is hard not to speculate that you support his motives and beliefs.

[CoupeTeddy]

Noodle1982 said:

270,000 signatures and rising.

270,000 racist tts, have you signed yet?

[Einion Yrth]

Alpinestars said:

Why are you suspicious of him? Why doesn’t that suspicious extend to photos which keep resurfacing? .

It very obviously does, but I'm not comfortable with other elements of the case either, so I choose to maintain an open mind. At root, he's probably an ahole, but, for me at least, enough doubt still exists that I choose not to hang him, yet. As I say others' mileage may vary, and I'm happy for them to disagree, so long as they do it via debate rather than groundless name-calling. I just wish that that leeway be extended to me.

[Alpinestars]

Dindoit said:

This from a UKIP MEP(!) is remarkably sensible summary.

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1000724309780...

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

[Alpinestars]

Einion Yrth said:

Alpinestars said:

Why are you suspicious of him? Why doesn’t that suspicious extend to photos which keep resurfacing? .

It very obviously does, but I'm not comfortable with other elements of the case either, so I choose to maintain an open mind. At root, he's probably an ahole, but, for me at least, enough doubt still exists that I choose not to hang him, yet. As I say others' mileage may vary, and I'm happy for them to disagree, so long as they do it via debate rather than groundless name-calling. I just wish that that leeway be extended to me.

You’re feee to think whatever you like. But I’d suggest that if you are “thinking” about it, you might want to consider his past, character, and agenda. It’s hard to sympathise.

[Einion Yrth]

Einion Yrth said:

https://twitter.com/caolanrob/status/1000751395140...

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.

Misattribution, chap. Not massively concerned, but you might like to fix it.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Dindoit said:

This from a UKIP MEP(!) is remarkably sensible summary.

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1000724309780...

That's quite a fair summary of the situation from O'Flynn.

The problem with TR is that he has an agenda which is to argue all Muslims are a problem and a threat. Except most right minded people know this isn't true.

My next door neighbour is a sales director for a large software company. Any happens to be Muslim. And another neighbour a few doors down is a hospital consultant. And he is also a Muslim.

So that is two people I can vouch for personally who aren't part of the "problem". So TR constantly over simplifies and attributes blame unfairly which is classic bigoted behaviour.

At the same time I think most people share CarreraLightweightRacing's general concern about the rule of law. But it is clear to me that current reporting restrictions are temporary and are linked to the ongoing court cases and on that basis are justified.

Edited by EddieSteadyGo on Sunday 27th May 20:47

[Einion Yrth]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Dindoit said:

This from a UKIP MEP(!) is remarkably sensible summary.

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1000724309780...

That's quite a fair summary of the situation from O'Flynn.

The problem with TR is that he has an agenda which is to argue all Muslims are a problem and a threat. Except most right minded people know this isn't true.

My next door neighbour is a sales director for a large software company. Any happens to be Muslim. And another neighbour a few doors down is a hospital consultant. And he is also a Muslim.

So that is two people I can vouch for personally who aren't part of the "problem". So TR constantly over simplifies and attributes blame unfairly which is classic bigoted behaviour.

At the same time I think most people share CarreraLightweightRacing's general concern about the rule of law. But it is clear to me that current reporting restrictions are temporary and are linked to the ongoing court cases and on that basis are justified.

Edited by EddieSteadyGo on Sunday 27th May 20:47

I think that's a fair summation, but the Robinson axis has been badly enough handled to bring numbers out in protest, it's worrying TBF.

[Alpinestars]

Einion Yrth said:

I think that's a fair summation, but the Robinson axis has been badly enough handled to bring numbers out in protest, it's worrying TBF.

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

[Einion Yrth]

Alpinestars said:

Einion Yrth said:

I think that's a fair summation, but the Robinson axis has been badly enough handled to bring numbers out in protest, it's worrying TBF.

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

I wouldn't rule it out, but I need better evidence to convince me, also.

[Alpinestars]

Einion Yrth said:

Alpinestars said:

Einion Yrth said:

I think that's a fair summation, but the Robinson axis has been badly enough handled to bring numbers out in protest, it's worrying TBF.

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

I wouldn't rule it out, but I need better evidence to convince me, also.

Which bit of the following do you think TR didn’t understand?



He’s either
A) incredibly stupid
B) he knew exactly what he was doing and engineered the situation
C) other

Where’s your money?

[simoid]

Einion Yrth said:

I wouldn't rule it out, but I need better evidence to convince me, also.

The bit of the livestream I saw on YouTube seems to exactly fit the profile of “deliberately sailing close to the wind/trolling his suspension and acting outraged to noise up followers”.

He knew what was going to happen if he was filming at court: ie he was going to get stopped/moved on/arrested.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Alpinestars said:

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

Maybe this is where I might be cynical. But when you ask who benefits, it's clear TR stands to gain by suggesting the rule of law isn't being followed as it allows himself to be presented as both a martyr and a victim. That doesn't always give the correct answer but it is usually a good starting point.

After all, if you look at this thread, there are quite a few people concerned about the principles of law being ignored, many of whom I believe aren't sympathetic to TR's objectives.

[Einion Yrth]

Alpinestars said:

Einion Yrth said:

Alpinestars said:

Einion Yrth said:

I think that's a fair summation, but the Robinson axis has been badly enough handled to bring numbers out in protest, it's worrying TBF.

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

I wouldn't rule it out, but I need better evidence to convince me, also.

Which bit of the following do you think TR didn’t understand?



He’s either
A) incredibly stupid
B) he knew exactly what he was doing and engineered the situation
C) other

Where’s your money?

Well I don't think I've ever suggested that he's all that bright, and I've acknowledged that he has an agenda, so a and b are quite possible. Of course if b) then locking him up and letting his supporters get all shouty might not have been the wisest move.
c) is an interesting set of options.

[CarreraLightweightRacing]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Dindoit said:

This from a UKIP MEP(!) is remarkably sensible summary.

https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1000724309780...

That's quite a fair summary of the situation from O'Flynn.

The problem with TR is that he has an agenda which is to argue all Muslims are a problem and a threat. Except most right minded people know this isn't true.

My next door neighbour is a sales director for a large software company. Any happens to be Muslim. And another neighbour a few doors down is a hospital consultant. And he is also a Muslim.

So that is two people I can vouch for personally who aren't part of the "problem". So TR constantly over simplifies and attributes blame unfairly which is classic bigoted behaviour.

At the same time I think most people share CarreraLightweightRacing's general concern about the rule of law. But it is clear to me that current reporting restrictions are temporary and are linked to the ongoing court cases and on that basis are justified.

Bang on the money that Eddie. Without exception all my Muslim friends and associates are perfectly normal balanced and friendly individuals. Tommy is most likely a serious tit that deserves most of the trouble he is getting himself into. But this is neither here nor there in the point I was trying to make, in that most of the TR haters seem to be incapable of debate beyond that of a playground with a constant barrage of abuse and deep misguided opinion of others based on this default 'racist, stupid...' ideology. My other point is that it appears the UK is making rather large bounds towards entering into a Police state (the rest of the Western world appear to be following). This isn't solely related to TR, it has been slowing creeping in over the last 25years.

When the people fear the government there is Tyranny
When the government fear the people there is Liberty.

Balance is needed. We no longer have this balance.!

[EddieSteadyGo]

Einion Yrth said:

Well I don't think I've ever suggested that he's all that bright...

TBH I think he is quite bright. And quite manipulative. And very aware how to use social media. IMHO.