Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s

[Alpinestars]

Einion Yrth said:

Alpinestars said:

Einion Yrth said:

Alpinestars said:

Einion Yrth said:

I think that's a fair summation, but the Robinson axis has been badly enough handled to bring numbers out in protest, it's worrying TBF.

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

I wouldn't rule it out, but I need better evidence to convince me, also.

Which bit of the following do you think TR didn’t understand?



He’s either
A) incredibly stupid
B) he knew exactly what he was doing and engineered the situation
C) other

Where’s your money?

Well I don't think I've ever suggested that he's all that bright, and I've acknowledged that he has an agenda, so a and b are quite possible. Of course if b) then locking him up and letting his supporters get all shouty might not have been the wisest move.
c) is an interesting set of options.

I actually don’t think he’s stupid. He’s certainly massively intelligent enough to understand what the Judge said to him. So that rules out A for me.

He stands to gain a huge amount under option B. This thread is evidence of that. The protests. And the petition.

I’m not sure what C looks like.

B. Final answer.

[Alpinestars]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Einion Yrth said:

Well I don't think I've ever suggested that he's all that bright...

TBH I think he is quite bright. And quite manipulative. And very aware how to use social media. IMHO.

Spot on.

[Einion Yrth]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Einion Yrth said:

Well I don't think I've ever suggested that he's all that bright...

TBH I think he is quite bright. And quite manipulative. And very aware how to use social media. IMHO.

Hmmm, maybe - certainly food for thought this evening. I shall reexamine my opinions in the light of others', reasoned debate; I am marginally less well disposed than I was and shall certainly consider the "manipulative bd" narrative in future consideration of the man.

[Alpinestars]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Alpinestars said:

Or set up by Tommy to mobilise his supporters.

Maybe this is where I might be cynical. But when you ask who benefits, it's clear TR stands to gain by suggesting the rule of law isn't being followed as it allows himself to be presented as both a martyr and a victim. That doesn't always give the correct answer but it is usually a good starting point.

After all, if you look at this thread, there are quite a few people concerned about the principles of law being ignored, many of whom I believe aren't sympathetic to TR's objectives.

Many of whom “aren’t fans of TR, but ....”

He’s mobilised his supporters outside of PH. The protests, social media, the petition. Just 3 examples. He’s a manipulative .

[Gloria Slap]

Reading the judge's statement, has to be B.

His supporters either don't see that (or haven't read it) or know it or are happy to go along with it.

I don't see where a police state comes in at all here - he totally stuck two fingers up at the judge - on purpose.

Edited by Gloria Slap on Sunday 27th May 21:38

[TonyToniTone]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

My other point is that it appears the UK is making rather large bounds towards entering into a Police state (the rest of the Western world appear to be following). This isn't solely related to TR, it has been slowing creeping in over the last 25years.

Police state or trying to stop trials from collapsing ?

nazir afzal Former Chief Prosecutor.

[Alpinestars]

Einion Yrth said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

Einion Yrth said:

Well I don't think I've ever suggested that he's all that bright...

TBH I think he is quite bright. And quite manipulative. And very aware how to use social media. IMHO.

Hmmm, maybe - certainly food for thought this evening. I shall reexamine my opinions in the light of others', reasoned debate; I am marginally less well disposed than I was and shall certainly consider the "manipulative bd" narrative in future consideration of the man.

Can’t say fairer than that.

[simoid]

Gloria Slap said:

Reading that judges statement, has to be B.

His supporters either don't see that or know it or are happy to go along with it.

I don't see where a police state comes in at all here - he totally stuck two fingers up at the judge - on purpose.

Some of my mates were talking about it over the weekend. Before researching further, what you’ll find out down the pub/from a quick scout of Facebook:

- he was filming outside a court, not causing any bother, and using the right words like ‘allegedly’
- he got arrested for that and thrown in jail for a long time
- he might get battered in jail

[rscott]

NoNeed said:

It's in the video, he approached officers on the steps to ask.

I am not a tommy fan but if this was another country our government and amnesty international would be all over screaming human rights and fair trial E.T.C

It really is a very dangerous precedent that has been set here, and I would be just as concerned if it was a member of Antifa. Something just isn't right and if they really did believe he was putting trials at risk then surely there is a fair and legal way of doing it that doesn't make them look like a third world dictatorship.

Like being given a suspended sentence for risking a trial and being given explicit instructions as to what was considered acceptable in the eyes of the law?

Well he was given that last year and chose to ignore it.

[rscott]

Einion Yrth said:

Dindoit said:

He hasn’t been attacked. Why spread lies like that which are incredibly easy to verify?

How do you know this? Plainly the published photos are not recent, but how do you know he has not been attacked? I have no evidence either way apart from an, admittedly somewhat dodgy, report that he has.

His official Facebook page has put out a statement that he hasn't been attacked.

[Alpinestars]

TonyToniTone said:

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

My other point is that it appears the UK is making rather large bounds towards entering into a Police state (the rest of the Western world appear to be following). This isn't solely related to TR, it has been slowing creeping in over the last 25years.

Police state or trying to stop trials from collapsing ?

nazir afzal Former Chief Prosecutor.

If TR’s actions lead to a mistrial, I wonder whether his supporters would turn on him. Or look for a scapegoat. It would be a disaster and dangerous precedent if his actions were able to lead to a mistrial.

Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 27th May 21:51

[Alpinestars]

rscott said:

His official Facebook page has put out a statement that he hasn't been attacked.

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Not sure he deserves to be attacked but he deserves to be locked up for a very long time if he’s fked up the trial.

[Crackie]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Tommy is most likely a serious tit that deserves most of the trouble he is getting himself into. But most of the TR haters seem to be incapable of debate beyond that of a playground with a constant barrage of abuse and deep misguided opinion of others based on this default 'racist, stupid...' ideology.

/\ This......but I think the most likely bit is superfluous.

The same criticism can be made regarding their 'contributions' on various Brexit threads.

[Alpinestars]

Alpinestars said:

Not sure he deserves to be attacked but he deserves to be locked up for a very long time if he’s fked up the trial.

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Everyone is entitled to a fair trial. No matter how loathed the person is.

[AreOut]

Alpinestars said:

Not sure he deserves to be attacked but he deserves to be locked up for a very long time if he’s fked up the trial.

IIRC it was a sentencing hearing and the trial was over? Or I got that info wrong.

Besides 13 months in jail is quite a harsh sentence for "contempt of court" if there are those who got less for rape itself...

[TonyToniTone]

AreOut said:

IIRC it was a sentencing hearing and the trial was over? Or I got that info wrong.

Besides 13 months in jail is quite a harsh sentence for "contempt of court" if there are those who got less for rape itself...

He was sentenced in 2017 and it was for 18 months suspended as long as he didn't do it again - please tell me you understand that?

[Alpinestars]

AreOut said:

Alpinestars said:

Not sure he deserves to be attacked but he deserves to be locked up for a very long time if he’s fked up the trial.

IIRC it was a sentencing hearing and the trial was over? Or I got that info wrong.

Besides 13 months in jail is quite a harsh sentence for "contempt of court" if there are those who got less for rape itself...

Who’s been given less than 13 months for rape? And being done twice for a crime deserves a hefty sentence in my view.

[Dindoit]

Alpinestars said:

If TR’s actions lead to a mistrial, I wonder whether his supporters would turn on him. Or look for a scapegoat

His supporters would lap it up. Muslims child rapists set free and Tommy jailed simply for telling the troof. The news could and would report it exactly as it happened but obviously the msm is biased and we live in a police state etc.

He’d be a martyr. A true patriot. We’d see many more “I’m not a fan of TR, but...”

[AreOut]

TonyToniTone said:

He was sentenced in 2017 and it was for 18 months suspended as long as he didn't do it again - please tell me you understand that?

regardless, it's too harsh

Alpinestars said:

Who’s been given less than 13 months for rape? And being done twice for a crime deserves a hefty sentence in my view.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/may/26/rape-sentence-average-eight-years-justice-figures

only one, but still

[TonyToniTone]

AreOut said:

TonyToniTone said:

He was sentenced in 2017 and it was for 18 months suspended as long as he didn't do it again - please tell me you understand that?

regardless, it's too harsh

Why do it again then?