Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s
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Boydie88 said:
Been to Stockholm, was eating breakfast while one Muslim stabbed a Policeman outside our hotel.
Sadly, police officers get attacked sometimes. But when even the Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4839706/Swedish-police-officer-stabbed-neck.html) can't find a terrorism angle, it's probably safe to say this is just a random event.Boydie88 said:
Witnessed a Muslim group screaming doctrine outside Cologne cathedral (they had a fun new year a year back) and the friends we were with said that's daily now.
How many were there? Doesn't sound like the Muslim Apocalypse to me.Boydie88 said:
Italy. Como, Milan and especially Genoa full of them begging and intimidating visitors.
Beggars congregate in every major Western City. When I lived in Canterbury it was Crusties and Glaswegians doing this. Oddly, nobody thought it reflected on everyone with dreadlocks/from Scotland.Boydie88 said:
France. Just got to look at the clips of the Paris suburbs and then the warnings I got about all those likely to be on the road as you approach Calais.
We can dismiss this one as 'no direct experience' then?Boydie88 said:
So no, not garbage. My own experience. And going by the increasing populism vote, other's don't like it either.
Facts don't care about your feelings, even if you are some holier than thou pilot.
Quite a lot of garbage and no lack of desperation to back up your position. 'Populism' is only 'popular' because it appears to offer simple solutions to complex issues. Once it becomes apparent that most of the populist politicians are just selling snake oil their 'popularity' will wane.Facts don't care about your feelings, even if you are some holier than thou pilot.
colin_p said:
IforB said:
What warning?
Seriously, I hear this all the time "oh you have to listen to these warnings and take them seriously etc.etc." However, the fact is that there is no coming Muslim apocalypse, the EU is not about to fail and the sun will continue to shine.
If you want warnings to take heed of, then look at the warnings with some basis in fact. Global warming, plastic pollution, deforestation, rising sea-levels etc.etc.
Those are the warnings we should be worried about, not some nebulous made up nonsense designed purely as a way of justifying awful behaviour as if it has a point.
You obviously don't quite get the fact that we live in a multi-cultural society and are scared witless of those who are a bit different. What exactly are you expecting to happen? Sharia law, ISIS marching up and down the high street beheading people left right and centre?
Come on man, that is just bonkers. I'll just ask, have you actually ever met someone who is Muslim?
What warning?Seriously, I hear this all the time "oh you have to listen to these warnings and take them seriously etc.etc." However, the fact is that there is no coming Muslim apocalypse, the EU is not about to fail and the sun will continue to shine.
If you want warnings to take heed of, then look at the warnings with some basis in fact. Global warming, plastic pollution, deforestation, rising sea-levels etc.etc.
Those are the warnings we should be worried about, not some nebulous made up nonsense designed purely as a way of justifying awful behaviour as if it has a point.
You obviously don't quite get the fact that we live in a multi-cultural society and are scared witless of those who are a bit different. What exactly are you expecting to happen? Sharia law, ISIS marching up and down the high street beheading people left right and centre?
Come on man, that is just bonkers. I'll just ask, have you actually ever met someone who is Muslim?
History.
It cannot be re-written and objects in time are closer than you think.
Fourteen hundred years of bloody conquest is a hard habit to break. The swords may not be drawn but the objective is still the same as it ever was.
Sun Tzu said:
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
LOLBoydie88 said:
"a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another."
What race? Utter b
ks IforB.
Oh noes... you've lit the blue touch paper now and opened yourself up for being lectured about how it can be racist to dislike the figment of someones, who died 1,400 years ago, imagination.What race? Utter b
ks IforB.I think about 50 pages, or so, of this thread is dedicated already to that. LOL.
IforB said:
andr3w said:
To those labelling Tommy Robinson racist.
I wonder how you would respond if a white, let's say cult, gradually began to make it's way into our culture and brought all the same nice things that Islam brings to the table. And a slightly uncouth, working class, brown person spoke up against it. Would you react the same? I suspect you would treat the situation differently. So in that case, who are the real racists?
Of course Yaxley-Lennon is racist. He might not be able to spell it, but he definitely meets the criteria. As are you if you think he's anything but. I wonder how you would respond if a white, let's say cult, gradually began to make it's way into our culture and brought all the same nice things that Islam brings to the table. And a slightly uncouth, working class, brown person spoke up against it. Would you react the same? I suspect you would treat the situation differently. So in that case, who are the real racists?
Dress it up anyway you like to try and justify it to yourself and try and make yourself feel less like a scumbag, but that doesn't change the reality of what he and you are.
Anyway, can you 1) explain in what way Islam is a race and 2) find one thing TR has said that is racist.
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
Been to Stockholm, was eating breakfast while one Muslim stabbed a Policeman outside our hotel.
Sadly, police officers get attacked sometimes. But when even the Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4839706/Swedish-police-officer-stabbed-neck.html) can't find a terrorism angle, it's probably safe to say this is just a random event.Boydie88 said:
Witnessed a Muslim group screaming doctrine outside Cologne cathedral (they had a fun new year a year back) and the friends we were with said that's daily now.
How many were there? Doesn't sound like the Muslim Apocalypse to me.Boydie88 said:
Italy. Como, Milan and especially Genoa full of them begging and intimidating visitors.
Beggars congregate in every major Western City. When I lived in Canterbury it was Crusties and Glaswegians doing this. Oddly, nobody thought it reflected on everyone with dreadlocks/from Scotland.Boydie88 said:
France. Just got to look at the clips of the Paris suburbs and then the warnings I got about all those likely to be on the road as you approach Calais.
We can dismiss this one as 'no direct experience' then?Boydie88 said:
So no, not garbage. My own experience. And going by the increasing populism vote, other's don't like it either.
Facts don't care about your feelings, even if you are some holier than thou pilot.
Quite a lot of garbage and no lack of desperation to back up your position. 'Populism' is only 'popular' because it appears to offer simple solutions to complex issues. Once it becomes apparent that most of the populist politicians are just selling snake oil their 'popularity' will wane.Facts don't care about your feelings, even if you are some holier than thou pilot.
Dozens outside the cathedral. Not to mention the stories of the family I stayed with regarding the girls not feeling confident alone in the city.
Get your point about beggars in every city but nothing on the scale of Genoa nor as forceful in their intimidation tactics - never been approached at a cash point and asked for cash before. Our hotel owner was less than pleased with the decline of the area since African boats were allowed over.
And no, no actual experience in Paris, but are you just willing to ignore the videos of the slums Muslim over population has led to?
And obvious;y I don't see it as an apocalypse you utter spoon. Just addressing why people are concerned with the increasing population.
Dismiss it all you want as garbage but that is the reason populism is rising however much you'd love to deny it.
andr3w said:
1) explain in what way Islam is a race
Technically, we're all members of the human race. However, the law recognises that some people are nasty sts and will find any reason and excuse for hating their fellow man. As such, it defines things like 'culture', 'heritage' and 'religion' as protected traits. Ideally, this wouldn't be necessary, but this thread is a prime example of why it needs to be.colin_p said:
Oh noes... you've lit the blue touch paper now and opened yourself up for being lectured about how it can be racist to dislike the figment of someones, who died 1,400 years ago, imagination.
I think about 50 pages, or so, of this thread is dedicated already to that. LOL.
Sad isn't it. The same warnings are said too. More and more are seeing it as voting shows but they'll continue to stick to their heads i nthe sand and pretend everything is fine in the great EU.I think about 50 pages, or so, of this thread is dedicated already to that. LOL.
Boydie88 said:
IforB said:
Okey Dokey, so in 20 years as an airline pilot, I've been to many countries around the world. This means I definitely know you are spouting absolute garbage.
Where specifically are you talking about? For example, Germany that has taken in large numbers of refugees from war torn countries or are you talking about Libya or Syria? Both places I have been to many times in the past and absolutely loved, though wouldn;t be so keen to visit right now.
How about Beirut or the Lebanon, again, beautiful places filled with some of the kindest and most hospitable people you could ever meet?
I mean, I wouldn;t want to point out that you appear to simply be an anti-Muslim nutjob, but hell, you're doing a good job of impersonating one if not.
Been to Stockholm, was eating breakfast while one Muslim stabbed a Policeman outside our hotel.Where specifically are you talking about? For example, Germany that has taken in large numbers of refugees from war torn countries or are you talking about Libya or Syria? Both places I have been to many times in the past and absolutely loved, though wouldn;t be so keen to visit right now.
How about Beirut or the Lebanon, again, beautiful places filled with some of the kindest and most hospitable people you could ever meet?
I mean, I wouldn;t want to point out that you appear to simply be an anti-Muslim nutjob, but hell, you're doing a good job of impersonating one if not.
Witnessed a Muslim group screaming doctrine outside Cologne cathedral (they had a fun new year a year back) and the friends we were with said that's daily now.
Italy. Como, Milan and especially Genoa full of them begging and intimidating visitors.
France. Just got to look at the clips of the Paris suburbs and then the warnings I got about all those likely to be on the road as you approach Calais.
So no, not garbage. My own experience. And going by the increasing populism vote, other's don't like it either.
Facts don't care about your feelings, even if you are some holier than thou pilot.
Your use of the phrase "them" is very, very telling BTW. It suggests you see Muslims as different to you, but you are also doing the usual thing of confusing a religion with the actions of people.
Now, in many of the cases you are stating, it has very rarely got to do with religion, but is more to do with the basics of people who have been forcibly removed from their homes, brutalised through war and poverty and then thrust into societies that have people like you in them, who treat these people like second or third class citizens and brand them all as criminals or a burden on society.
Whilst there are undoubtedly issues with mass migration and integration following events such as Syria or other areas affected by the Arab Spring and the oppression that has followed in places, it is not what you think it to be, it is a much more complex issue and one that people with vile views such as yourself make worse.
You consider the world to be full of easy answers and that all the problems have a racial contingent, when the reality is that the issues will only be solved by treating people with respect and actually managing the issues and solving them using some of the vast resources western nations have at their disposal.
In terms of some of your examples, well, I can say very little about the way you perceive them, other than to suggest that your inability to see past race or colour means you see them as racially/religiously motivated, whereas the reality is often somewhat different.
Let us take the preacher shouting in Cologne. Free speech is a difficult thing to comprehend I know. You may not like it, but there are many people spouting nonsense in a lot of places every day. Head down to Speaker's corner in London and see some of the white, Christian whack-jobs talking guff. Or just listen to a Yaxley-Lennon talk, it's the same thing.
A Policeman got stabbed. Awful, but one of the risks of being a Policeman these days. I was 100 yards away when the mortars were fired at No.10. Doesn't mean I hate Irishmen...
Feeling unsafe in Paris. So nothing happened to you, you saw nothing to get worried about, but someone told you there might be areas you might want to avoid. Imagine that in a major city. I mean, it's not like Brixton was a place for fun and games in the 80's was it? Or Detroit today or Mexico City or etc. etc. etc. Where you find lots of people, you can find trouble.
You can call these "facts" if you like, but I suggest you are nothing more than a bigot who has found some reasons to justify your own thoughts. You see race and religion as the problem, rather than understanding that problems in society are usually to do with things that are much more basic. Respect, financial stability, opportunity etc.
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
What race? Utter bks IforB.
Are you really going down the 'Islam isn't a race' route?ks IforB.Boydie88 said:
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
What race? Utter bks IforB.
Are you really going down the 'Islam isn't a race' route?ks IforB.A religious group can be classed as a race in law, in both criminal and civil contexts.
IforB said:
Ah yes. Paris. I was based there and in Marseilles for a few years, so I know a bit about it. Well there has been a huge problem there since the 60's. Mainly driven by the French attitude towards those from their former colonies and how they treat not just muslims, but immigrants as a whole.
Your use of the phrase "them" is very, very telling BTW. It suggests you see Muslims as different to you, but you are also doing the usual thing of confusing a religion with the actions of people.
Now, in many of the cases you are stating, it has very rarely got to do with religion, but is more to do with the basics of people who have been forcibly removed from their homes, brutalised through war and poverty and then thrust into societies that have people like you in them, who treat these people like second or third class citizens and brand them all as criminals or a burden on society.
Whilst there are undoubtedly issues with mass migration and integration following events such as Syria or other areas affected by the Arab Spring and the oppression that has followed in places, it is not what you think it to be, it is a much more complex issue and one that people with vile views such as yourself make worse.
You consider the world to be full of easy answers and that all the problems have a racial contingent, when the reality is that the issues will only be solved by treating people with respect and actually managing the issues and solving them using some of the vast resources western nations have at their disposal.
In terms of some of your examples, well, I can say very little about the way you perceive them, other than to suggest that your inability to see past race or colour means you see them as racially/religiously motivated, whereas the reality is often somewhat different.
Let us take the preacher shouting in Cologne. Free speech is a difficult thing to comprehend I know. You may not like it, but there are many people spouting nonsense in a lot of places every day. Head down to Speaker's corner in London and see some of the white, Christian whack-jobs talking guff. Or just listen to a Yaxley-Lennon talk, it's the same thing.
A Policeman got stabbed. Awful, but one of the risks of being a Policeman these days. I was 100 yards away when the mortars were fired at No.10. Doesn't mean I hate Irishmen...
Feeling unsafe in Paris. So nothing happened to you, you saw nothing to get worried about, but someone told you there might be areas you might want to avoid. Imagine that in a major city. I mean, it's not like Brixton was a place for fun and games in the 80's was it? Or Detroit today or Mexico City or etc. etc. etc. Where you find lots of people, you can find trouble.
You can call these "facts" if you like, but I suggest you are nothing more than a bigot who has found some reasons to justify your own thoughts. You see race and religion as the problem, rather than understanding that problems in society are usually to do with things that are much more basic. Respect, financial stability, opportunity etc.
Them "used as the object of a verb or preposition to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified."Your use of the phrase "them" is very, very telling BTW. It suggests you see Muslims as different to you, but you are also doing the usual thing of confusing a religion with the actions of people.
Now, in many of the cases you are stating, it has very rarely got to do with religion, but is more to do with the basics of people who have been forcibly removed from their homes, brutalised through war and poverty and then thrust into societies that have people like you in them, who treat these people like second or third class citizens and brand them all as criminals or a burden on society.
Whilst there are undoubtedly issues with mass migration and integration following events such as Syria or other areas affected by the Arab Spring and the oppression that has followed in places, it is not what you think it to be, it is a much more complex issue and one that people with vile views such as yourself make worse.
You consider the world to be full of easy answers and that all the problems have a racial contingent, when the reality is that the issues will only be solved by treating people with respect and actually managing the issues and solving them using some of the vast resources western nations have at their disposal.
In terms of some of your examples, well, I can say very little about the way you perceive them, other than to suggest that your inability to see past race or colour means you see them as racially/religiously motivated, whereas the reality is often somewhat different.
Let us take the preacher shouting in Cologne. Free speech is a difficult thing to comprehend I know. You may not like it, but there are many people spouting nonsense in a lot of places every day. Head down to Speaker's corner in London and see some of the white, Christian whack-jobs talking guff. Or just listen to a Yaxley-Lennon talk, it's the same thing.
A Policeman got stabbed. Awful, but one of the risks of being a Policeman these days. I was 100 yards away when the mortars were fired at No.10. Doesn't mean I hate Irishmen...
Feeling unsafe in Paris. So nothing happened to you, you saw nothing to get worried about, but someone told you there might be areas you might want to avoid. Imagine that in a major city. I mean, it's not like Brixton was a place for fun and games in the 80's was it? Or Detroit today or Mexico City or etc. etc. etc. Where you find lots of people, you can find trouble.
You can call these "facts" if you like, but I suggest you are nothing more than a bigot who has found some reasons to justify your own thoughts. You see race and religion as the problem, rather than understanding that problems in society are usually to do with things that are much more basic. Respect, financial stability, opportunity etc.
Must have missed the point where that word now means they're different to me?
You seem to think all that are in Europe were forcibly removed from their homes? You don't think many were just jumping on the next dinghy across the med with the incentive to take that risk as the EU let them in?
All for them preaching in the streets, but it doesn't get people on their side.
I love different races and religion and thoroughly enjoy visiting and learning about the different cultures they produce around the world and will continue to do so except for one that seemingly refuses to modernise itself in line with the rest of humanity.
Boydie88 said:
IforB said:
Okey Dokey, so in 20 years as an airline pilot, I've been to many countries around the world. This means I definitely know you are spouting absolute garbage.
Where specifically are you talking about? For example, Germany that has taken in large numbers of refugees from war torn countries or are you talking about Libya or Syria? Both places I have been to many times in the past and absolutely loved, though wouldn;t be so keen to visit right now.
How about Beirut or the Lebanon, again, beautiful places filled with some of the kindest and most hospitable people you could ever meet?
I mean, I wouldn;t want to point out that you appear to simply be an anti-Muslim nutjob, but hell, you're doing a good job of impersonating one if not.
Been to Stockholm, was eating breakfast while one Muslim stabbed a Policeman outside our hotel.Where specifically are you talking about? For example, Germany that has taken in large numbers of refugees from war torn countries or are you talking about Libya or Syria? Both places I have been to many times in the past and absolutely loved, though wouldn;t be so keen to visit right now.
How about Beirut or the Lebanon, again, beautiful places filled with some of the kindest and most hospitable people you could ever meet?
I mean, I wouldn;t want to point out that you appear to simply be an anti-Muslim nutjob, but hell, you're doing a good job of impersonating one if not.
Witnessed a Muslim group screaming doctrine outside Cologne cathedral (they had a fun new year a year back) and the friends we were with said that's daily now.
Italy. Como, Milan and especially Genoa full of them begging and intimidating visitors.
France. Just got to look at the clips of the Paris suburbs and then the warnings I got about all those likely to be on the road as you approach Calais.
So no, not garbage. My own experience. And going by the increasing populism vote, other's don't like it either.
Facts don't care about your feelings, even if you are some holier than thou pilot.
No Muslim has stabbed a policeman while I've been in Stockholm.
I haven't seen evidence of this in Milan or Genoa.
Daily mass sexual assault outside the Koelner Dom, eh?
Paris has had problems with North Africans in the suburbs since the 50s. It's nothing new, related to their poverty and the end of French colonialism. Islamic extremists have successfully exploited the ill-feeling amongst small numbers of these. I did once nearly get mugged in Paris, by a couple of white guys, whom I scared off through surprisingly effective drunken bravado.
You've never approached Calais clearly. The problem there is a refugee one, not a Muslim one and, in a car, you will not be bothered by it.
andr3w said:
IforB said:
andr3w said:
To those labelling Tommy Robinson racist.
I wonder how you would respond if a white, let's say cult, gradually began to make it's way into our culture and brought all the same nice things that Islam brings to the table. And a slightly uncouth, working class, brown person spoke up against it. Would you react the same? I suspect you would treat the situation differently. So in that case, who are the real racists?
Of course Yaxley-Lennon is racist. He might not be able to spell it, but he definitely meets the criteria. As are you if you think he's anything but. I wonder how you would respond if a white, let's say cult, gradually began to make it's way into our culture and brought all the same nice things that Islam brings to the table. And a slightly uncouth, working class, brown person spoke up against it. Would you react the same? I suspect you would treat the situation differently. So in that case, who are the real racists?
Dress it up anyway you like to try and justify it to yourself and try and make yourself feel less like a scumbag, but that doesn't change the reality of what he and you are.
Anyway, can you 1) explain in what way Islam is a race and 2) find one thing TR has said that is racist.
I can only make my opinion on what you have written and what you say you believe in. If you are trying to make the argument that anti-Islam rhetoric isn't racist because you don;t believe that Islam is a race, is somewhat nebulous, as according to the latest understanding of genetics, then actually all ideas of different races are actually complete bobbins.
You are separating out people based on one thing, in this case, their religion. That willingness to do that, marks Yaxley-Lennon out as a racist, pure and simple. If you consider anything he has to say as "having a point" then you by definition are racist too.
It's not hard to work out.
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
TTwiggy said:
Boydie88 said:
What race? Utter bks IforB.
Are you really going down the 'Islam isn't a race' route?ks IforB.La Liga said:
A religious group can be classed as a race in law, in both criminal and civil contexts.
Interesting. Previously I was a devout Jedi as stated on the 2001 census but latterly converted to the Chruch of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as stated on the 2011 census. I'm not alone.Would the law class my current religion as a religion or airborne food?
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