Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s
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del mar said:
768 said:
IforB said:
If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
I'm still slightly bemused, what's he actually done that's so evil it warrants this?It is almost as if pointing out failings / issues with our Muslim population is a far far worse crime than the rape and murder that they committed.
Really? You are going to try that lame old argument? Poor show. I'd expect better than that.
My simple response to that is "don't be so stupid."
colin_p said:
IforB said:
No. I believe that all horrible people should be dealt with, that includes Yaxley-Lennon or anyone else.
If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
Does "all horrible people" mean those you don't agree with because they don't join in and do happy-clapping?If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
You are going to need many gallons of water and a lot of horses.
If The prophet Muhammad remines were found drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
Not-The-Messiah said:
What if you change the name?
If The prophet Muhammad remines were found drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
You typed that one handed, didn't you?If The prophet Muhammad remines were found drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
KrissKross said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Maybe slightly relevant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45874265
So the solution is.... more religion?desolate said:
To isolate and address this point: the split isn't half and half. TR has his supporters and AC has his. it's not a 50/50 split.
That vast majority of people think both ares. From what I can tell TR is a pound shop compared to AC's M&S, but I haven't studied the minutae of either of their philosophies so I can't really comment - they both just seem like shouty pricks to me.
The thing that amazes me about support for TR is that nearly all the stuff I have seen from him has large elements of self pity - painting himself as a victim. He also seems easily angered.
For the people discussing it. Agreed, most of the population as a whole seem bewildered or indifferent. That vast majority of people think both are
s. From what I can tell TR is a pound shop compared to AC's M&S, but I haven't studied the minutae of either of their philosophies so I can't really comment - they both just seem like shouty pricks to me.The thing that amazes me about support for TR is that nearly all the stuff I have seen from him has large elements of self pity - painting himself as a victim. He also seems easily angered.
Not-The-Messiah said:
colin_p said:
IforB said:
No. I believe that all horrible people should be dealt with, that includes Yaxley-Lennon or anyone else.
If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
Does "all horrible people" mean those you don't agree with because they don't join in and do happy-clapping?If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
You are going to need many gallons of water and a lot of horses.
If The prophet Muhammad remines were found drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
That's just silly. I have no disdain for him, whereas Yaxley is fully deserving of scorn, as are many other people, but we're not discussing them here, this thread is just about one particular oxygen thief.
del mar said:
768 said:
IforB said:
If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
I'm still slightly bemused, what's he actually done that's so evil it warrants this?It is almost as if pointing out failings / issues with our Muslim population is a far far worse crime than the rape and murder that they committed.
It is almost as if you only care when the perpetrators are not part of your “superior western culture”.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No the answer is simply not being a dick to someone because of their religion.
How about not being a dick to people in general? Including for views you don't like.I'd certainly say it cuts both ways on this issue.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
How about not being a dick to people in general? Including for views you don't like.
I'd certainly say it cuts both ways on this issue.
ETA, not aimed at you. Just in general.
Sometimes people warrant it because their views are so abhorrent.I'd certainly say it cuts both ways on this issue.
ETA, not aimed at you. Just in general.
People simply going about their business don't deserve it just because of who they do (or don't) believe in.
IforB said:
Are you equating Yaxley-Lemon with the Prophet Mohammed? Really?
That's just silly. I have no disdain for him, whereas Yaxley is fully deserving of scorn, as are many other people, but we're not discussing them here, this thread is just about one particular oxygen thief.
no I'm no actually Mohammed was far worse? one is just a bit of a somewhat unsophisticated yob at times with what I believe a genuine founded dislike of a particular ideology. That's just silly. I have no disdain for him, whereas Yaxley is fully deserving of scorn, as are many other people, but we're not discussing them here, this thread is just about one particular oxygen thief.
The other was a child abusing war lord no doubt directly responsible the deaths of hundreds if not thousands and his teachings have subsequently been responsible for the deaths of millions and the forced subjugation of half of the followers of it and so on.
IforB said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
colin_p said:
IforB said:
No. I believe that all horrible people should be dealt with, that includes Yaxley-Lennon or anyone else.
If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
Does "all horrible people" mean those you don't agree with because they don't join in and do happy-clapping?If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
You are going to need many gallons of water and a lot of horses.
If The prophet Muhammad remines were found drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
That's just silly. I have no disdain for him, whereas Yaxley is fully deserving of scorn, as are many other people, but we're not discussing them here, this thread is just about one particular oxygen thief.
Top Trumps - Worse Baddy edition continued -
Card A, Bloke who created a violent and cruel totalitarian theocracy that has killed millions, including many who blindy follow it, over the last fourteen hundred years and continues to do so just like it always has.
Card B, Bloke who is a bit vocal and roudy expressing concerns about the bloke in card A and what he created.
By your rules and logic card B is the worse baddy who must bathe in horse piss.
colin_p said:
Card A, Bloke who created a violent and cruel totalitarian theocracy that has killed millions, including many who blindy follow it, over the last fourteen hundred years and continues to do so just like it always has.
But what are you hoping to gain or achieve by talking about a revered figure in that way? Shock value? A clap? 1.5 billion people turning their back on a few centuries of religion and tradition to join the CofE?How much killing do you actually blame Islam for?
Seems as hyperbolic as likening Tommy Robinson to Hitler.
Not-The-Messiah said:
IforB said:
Are you equating Yaxley-Lemon with the Prophet Mohammed? Really?
That's just silly. I have no disdain for him, whereas Yaxley is fully deserving of scorn, as are many other people, but we're not discussing them here, this thread is just about one particular oxygen thief.
no I'm no actually Mohammed was far worse? one is just a bit of a somewhat unsophisticated yob at times with what I believe a genuine founded dislike of a particular ideology. That's just silly. I have no disdain for him, whereas Yaxley is fully deserving of scorn, as are many other people, but we're not discussing them here, this thread is just about one particular oxygen thief.
The other was a child abusing war lord no doubt directly responsible the deaths of hundreds if not thousands and his teachings have subsequently been responsible for the deaths of millions and the forced subjugation of half of the followers of it and so on.
You have convinced yourself that Islam and therefore its proponents are wrong, backward and warlike. You are wrong of course, but your mind is made up.
I truly pity you.
colin_p said:
IforB said:
No. I believe that all horrible people should be dealt with, that includes Yaxley-Lennon or anyone else.
If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
Does "all horrible people" mean those you don't agree with because they don't join in and do happy-clapping?If Yaxley-Lennon found himself drowned in a vat of rancid horse pee, then the only reaction I’d have would be a nod of acceptance and a mild smirk.
The same would be true for anyone who defended him.
You are going to need many gallons of water and a lot of horses.
You may want to invest in a snorkel.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
But what are you hoping to gain or achieve by talking about a revered figure in that way? Shock value? A clap? 1.5 billion people turning their back on a few centuries of religion and tradition to join the CofE?
They cannot turn their backs and leave, don't you know that carries a death sentence? Like the Hotel California, you can check out any time you like, but can never leave.JuanCarlosFandango said:
How much killing do you actually blame Islam for?
Nobody "actually" knows but it is estimated to be between 250,000,000 and 300,000,000. Using the lower figure that is about 180,000 a year over the 1,400 years it has existed. For context communism comes in a poor second at 80,000,000.JuanCarlosFandango said:
Seems as hyperbolic as likening Tommy Robinson to Hitler.
Someone will, no doubt.Watched a video today of the press reporter from the Times who dug up the Rotherham grooming story, briefly recounting how he came to be involved, fascinating 20 minutes.
Couldn't help thinking of TR while watching it, and couldn't help thinking what a few of my friends or others would say if the same script was read by this journo, and then by TR and what reaction it would get. Very different I imagine.
I do not particularly like TR, but he does have a platform and he does "sing" to an audience. He is occasionally misunderstood if I think of some of the stuff I have watched. Those who despise him will never give him the time of day so would never know, they just shout "idiot" and move onto feeding their fat middle class kid.
But he is also regularly too extreme, too confrontational and too let's say it silly! It is the nastier face of the right, remember when Griffin was that face, then to some extent Farage became a friendlier, less extreme face and how that worked?
TR will never be that, he is trying by stepping away a bit from far right groups, but he is too confrontational, too much of a thug to look at, too shouty. But I have no issue with some of the issues he does raise, in particular the grooming thing he was in contempt for. he was an idiot yes, but the more publicity the better.
If you knew the cover ups the social services, councils, even police were complicit in, in the Rotherham case you can understand why anyone with a platform like TR's would not give a damn about jail or the law, daft as it may seem.
Couldn't help thinking of TR while watching it, and couldn't help thinking what a few of my friends or others would say if the same script was read by this journo, and then by TR and what reaction it would get. Very different I imagine.
I do not particularly like TR, but he does have a platform and he does "sing" to an audience. He is occasionally misunderstood if I think of some of the stuff I have watched. Those who despise him will never give him the time of day so would never know, they just shout "idiot" and move onto feeding their fat middle class kid.
But he is also regularly too extreme, too confrontational and too let's say it silly! It is the nastier face of the right, remember when Griffin was that face, then to some extent Farage became a friendlier, less extreme face and how that worked?
TR will never be that, he is trying by stepping away a bit from far right groups, but he is too confrontational, too much of a thug to look at, too shouty. But I have no issue with some of the issues he does raise, in particular the grooming thing he was in contempt for. he was an idiot yes, but the more publicity the better.
If you knew the cover ups the social services, councils, even police were complicit in, in the Rotherham case you can understand why anyone with a platform like TR's would not give a damn about jail or the law, daft as it may seem.
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