Tommy Robinson attacked at McDonald’s
Discussion
del mar said:
Exactly
Kill all non believers
Woman are deficient in intelligence
Their opinion is worth half a mans
Death to those who leave Islam
Etc etc
Repugnant views indeed
What do you think your views of what rape is and isn’t are? Kill all non believers
Woman are deficient in intelligence
Their opinion is worth half a mans
Death to those who leave Islam
Etc etc
Repugnant views indeed
Edited by Alpinestars on Thursday 18th October 08:22
Countdown said:
chunder27 said:
My point is merely this. I care not for his profile.
I do care that anyone raises the profile of these gangs and what they do, that's all.
If it's him, fair enough, I agree he is not doing much to help, but any publicity is...
If his reason for raising the issue of grooming gangs was genuine I don’t think it would a problem for anybody. But I don’t think his (or the EDL/DFLA) primary aim is to raise the profile of grooming gangs. If it was I’d expect them to look at the wider issue to CSE and other groups involved in this as well (and let’s be honest, this has been going on since time immemorial be it Scoutmasters, care home workers, RC priests, or TV celebs). There’s no reference by Tommy and his mates, even in passing, to ANY other group. I do care that anyone raises the profile of these gangs and what they do, that's all.
If it's him, fair enough, I agree he is not doing much to help, but any publicity is...
Then look at the fact that they march through areas with high Muslim populations chanting obscenities against muslims and Islam. Surely any reasonable person would ask “How TF does behaving like a bunch of
s on a NF march have anything to do with CSE?” And then look at the history of groups like EDL/ DFLA, “casuals’, North West Infidels ; these guys genuinely do not care about CSE. They simply enjoy violence. Usually between themselves, or targeted against ethnic minorities when they were recruited by the likes of National Front and their successors. All that’s changed is that they can now pretend that they’re doing all this for a legitimate cause.Not-The-Messiah said:
This idea that as soon as someone goes trial then there is no need to report on it as it's been sorted is strange.
Suppose it would greatly reduced the news media's work load. It's like saying that now people have been charged over Hillsborough we never need to hear about it again.
Having said that with regards to Hillsborough I wish it would just disappear into history now. Lessons have been learnt and incidents like it have not happend again.
Grooming gang incidence are still occurring, it's not about the individual incidences but the causes and reasons why they originally happed and are still happening.
If gangs of people just started going around punching people in the face. Yes you would want them punished but you would also want to know why they where doing it. Because with a grater understanding of the motives you have a far better chance of effectively tackling the problem.
If punching was the issue you’re worried about, you’d also want to know why individuals were punching babies as well wouldn’t you? But because the perpetrator in that case is white, TR and his merry men ignore it. Why do you think that is?Suppose it would greatly reduced the news media's work load. It's like saying that now people have been charged over Hillsborough we never need to hear about it again.
Having said that with regards to Hillsborough I wish it would just disappear into history now. Lessons have been learnt and incidents like it have not happend again.
Grooming gang incidence are still occurring, it's not about the individual incidences but the causes and reasons why they originally happed and are still happening.
If gangs of people just started going around punching people in the face. Yes you would want them punished but you would also want to know why they where doing it. Because with a grater understanding of the motives you have a far better chance of effectively tackling the problem.
Dindoit said:
None of those are exclusive to Islam. When SYL stood up in court on each occasion he swore on the bible which calls for death to non-believers etc.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murd...
Why do you, like SYL, only ever focus on brown people?
We know why.http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murd...
Why do you, like SYL, only ever focus on brown people?
But it bears repetition.
Because he is a self confessed racist.
Del doesn’t like people who are not of non white European heritage.
He has made this clear repeatedly.
The misappropriation of Islam by groups various around the world for their own social and political aims is Del’s opportunity to legitimise his views about a large swathe of people who are non white European in origin.
He doesn’t like black people either so uses other topics, usually around urban crime, to legitimise his position there.
He’s not really that different to Tommy.
Tommy doesn’t like brown people but does like fighting , confrontation and attention. His crusade against brown kiddy fiddlers gives him a franchise to become involved in confrontational situations which escalate towards violence. It also gives him the attention he craves.
Del also loves attention and confrontation (online at least) as can be seen in many of his posts.
Neither Del nor Tommy take any stand regarding child exploitation of any other sort.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th October 08:30
Not-The-Messiah said:
This idea that as soon as someone goes trial then there is no need to report on it as it's been sorted is strange.
Suppose it would greatly reduced the news media's work load. It's like saying that now people have been charged over Hillsborough we never need to hear about it again.
Having said that with regards to Hillsborough I wish it would just disappear into history now. Lessons have been learnt and incidents like it have not happend again.
Grooming gang incidence are still occurring, it's not about the individual incidences but the causes and reasons why they originally happed and are still happening.
If gangs of people just started going around punching people in the face. Yes you would want them punished but you would also want to know why they where doing it. Because with a grater understanding of the motives you have a far better chance of effectively tackling the problem.
Not sure why you think the bit in bold is relevant. Suppose it would greatly reduced the news media's work load. It's like saying that now people have been charged over Hillsborough we never need to hear about it again.
Having said that with regards to Hillsborough I wish it would just disappear into history now. Lessons have been learnt and incidents like it have not happend again.
Grooming gang incidence are still occurring, it's not about the individual incidences but the causes and reasons why they originally happed and are still happening.
If gangs of people just started going around punching people in the face. Yes you would want them punished but you would also want to know why they where doing it. Because with a grater understanding of the motives you have a far better chance of effectively tackling the problem.
What actually happens is there's a temporary suspension of reporting during trials - that's all.
Same as there was during the recent convictions of several Nation Action members.
Once the trials are over, even the BBC report on the verdicts.
If Tommy was actually worried about stopping grooming gangs, he'd be doing something to investigate why it happens and what can be done to prevent it (reform of social services and police processes, for example).
Alpinestars said:
del mar said:
Exactly
Kill all non believers
Woman are deficient in intelligence
Their opinion is worth half a mans
Death to those who leave Islam
Etc etc
Repugnant views indeed
What do you think your views of what rape is and isn’t are? Kill all non believers
Woman are deficient in intelligence
Their opinion is worth half a mans
Death to those who leave Islam
Etc etc
Repugnant views indeed
Edited by Alpinestars on Thursday 18th October 08:22
Challenging! I have always mainted it was a crime.
Dindoit said:
None of those are exclusive to Islam. When SYL stood up in court on each occasion he swore on the bible which calls for death to non-believers etc.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murd...
Why do you, like SYL, only ever focus on brown people?
I never said they were exclusive.http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murd...
Why do you, like SYL, only ever focus on brown people?
The grooming gang aspect has been done to death on the other thread.
Brooking10 said:
The misappropriation of Islam by groups various around the world for their own social and political aims.
Come on you aren’t buying all the peace and love nonsense are you ?Edited by Brooking10 on Thursday 18th October 08:30
This misappropriation is written in the book, and Muslims appear to have been misappropriating it since it was written.
Even alpine and countdown have accepted that some chapters are less than savoury and are no longer acceptable in today’s world.
del mar said:
Brooking10 said:
The misappropriation of Islam by groups various around the world for their own social and political aims.
Come on you aren’t buying all the peace and love nonsense are you ?Edited by Brooking10 on Thursday 18th October 08:30
This misappropriation is written in the book, and Muslims appear to have been misappropriating it since it was written.
Even alpine and countdown have accepted that some chapters are less than savoury and are no longer acceptable in today’s world.
What an odious sort you are.
del mar said:
Brooking10 said:
The misappropriation of Islam by groups various around the world for their own social and political aims.
Come on you aren’t buying all the peace and love nonsense are you ?Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th October 08:30
This misappropriation is written in the book, and Muslims appear to have been misappropriating it since it was written.
Even alpine and countdown have accepted that some chapters are less than savoury and are no longer acceptable in today’s world.
Who do you see on this thread disputing that ?
Interpretation and misappropriation of all those of those texts, including the ones adopted by what you would refer to as superior races, into social ideologies has led to many millions of deaths throughout subsequent history,
The longer this debate goes on the more you are exposed Derek.
Brooking10 said:
Like other religious texts from several thousands of years ago the Koran contains a whole load of deeply unpleasant stuff wholly at odds with the modern world.
Who do you see on this thread disputing that ?
Interpretation and misappropriation of all those of those texts, including the ones adopted by what you would refer to as superior races, into social ideologies has led to many millions of deaths throughout subsequent history,
The longer this debate goes on the more you are exposed Derek.
So acting on “deeply unpleasant stuff” amounts to misappropriation?Who do you see on this thread disputing that ?
Interpretation and misappropriation of all those of those texts, including the ones adopted by what you would refer to as superior races, into social ideologies has led to many millions of deaths throughout subsequent history,
The longer this debate goes on the more you are exposed Derek.
del mar said:
Zod said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No the answer is simply not being a dick to someone because of their religion.
How about not being a dick to people in general? Including for views you don't like.I'd certainly say it cuts both ways on this issue.
Kill all non believers
Woman are deficient in intelligence
Their opinion is worth half a mans
Death to those who leave Islam
Etc etc
Repugnant views indeed
del mar said:
Brooking10 said:
Like other religious texts from several thousands of years ago the Koran contains a whole load of deeply unpleasant stuff wholly at odds with the modern world.
Who do you see on this thread disputing that ?
Interpretation and misappropriation of all those of those texts, including the ones adopted by what you would refer to as superior races, into social ideologies has led to many millions of deaths throughout subsequent history,
The longer this debate goes on the more you are exposed Derek.
So acting on “deeply unpleasant stuff” amounts to misappropriation?Who do you see on this thread disputing that ?
Interpretation and misappropriation of all those of those texts, including the ones adopted by what you would refer to as superior races, into social ideologies has led to many millions of deaths throughout subsequent history,
The longer this debate goes on the more you are exposed Derek.
You just keep popping back up with same old s
t. On the thin line between being thick skinned and simply thick I increasingly struggle to know which side you walk.
Every religious text from the Semitic region of several thousand years ago has stuff in it which to this day continues to be used as the justification for vile acts. Many of those interpretations are to effect social and political aims. We remain very much in “opium of the people” territory.
That doesn’t make me dislike brown people or want to have a fight in Luton.
Alpinestars said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
This idea that as soon as someone goes trial then there is no need to report on it as it's been sorted is strange.
Suppose it would greatly reduced the news media's work load. It's like saying that now people have been charged over Hillsborough we never need to hear about it again.
Having said that with regards to Hillsborough I wish it would just disappear into history now. Lessons have been learnt and incidents like it have not happend again.
Grooming gang incidence are still occurring, it's not about the individual incidences but the causes and reasons why they originally happed and are still happening.
If gangs of people just started going around punching people in the face. Yes you would want them punished but you would also want to know why they where doing it. Because with a grater understanding of the motives you have a far better chance of effectively tackling the problem.
If punching was the issue you’re worried about, you’d also want to know why individuals were punching babies as well wouldn’t you? But because the perpetrator in that case is white, TR and his merry men ignore it. Why do you think that is?Suppose it would greatly reduced the news media's work load. It's like saying that now people have been charged over Hillsborough we never need to hear about it again.
Having said that with regards to Hillsborough I wish it would just disappear into history now. Lessons have been learnt and incidents like it have not happend again.
Grooming gang incidence are still occurring, it's not about the individual incidences but the causes and reasons why they originally happed and are still happening.
If gangs of people just started going around punching people in the face. Yes you would want them punished but you would also want to know why they where doing it. Because with a grater understanding of the motives you have a far better chance of effectively tackling the problem.
We have grooming gangs, "we have loads of child abusers why just look at that?"
We have mass immigration "we've always had immigration why just look at mass immigration?"
To me it's like going "people are dying from lung cancer, and we have what seems to be a direct correlation with smoking." Someone like you comes along and goes "loads of people get cancer why just focus on that one".
I personally believe Islam should be treated in a similar manner to smoking. Not to ban it, but stop the promotion and encouragement of it. Make it clear that it's not acceptable to inflict it on others. And the potential dangers and problems with it openly explained.
Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Thursday 18th October 17:27
Not-The-Messiah said:
The usual tactic of oversimplifying and diluting the subject I see, it seems to quite common.
We have grooming gangs, "we have loads of child abusers why just look at that?"
We have mass immigration "we've always had immigration why just look at mass immigration?"
To me it's like going "people are dying from lung cancer, and we have what seems to be a direct correlation with smoking." Someone like you comes along and goes "loads of people get cancer why just focus on that one".
I personally believe Islam should be treated in a similar manner to smoking. Not to bad it, but stop the promotion and encouragement of it. Make it clear that it's not acceptable to inflict it on others. And the potential dangers and problems with it openly explained.
Your position is a lot worse than simplifying it. We have grooming gangs, "we have loads of child abusers why just look at that?"
We have mass immigration "we've always had immigration why just look at mass immigration?"
To me it's like going "people are dying from lung cancer, and we have what seems to be a direct correlation with smoking." Someone like you comes along and goes "loads of people get cancer why just focus on that one".
I personally believe Islam should be treated in a similar manner to smoking. Not to bad it, but stop the promotion and encouragement of it. Make it clear that it's not acceptable to inflict it on others. And the potential dangers and problems with it openly explained.
People from every nation, religion, walk of life commit crime.
What TR and the like do, is focus on a distinguishing factor which is more common to a particular demographic, and make out that they are committing a crime which is unique to that demographic, and which they have somehow imported. It’s a dumb argument.
What bothers you, Muslims or rape? If it’s rape, then why focus on just one MO?
Focussing on you specifically, and given your past comments, what do you find more distasteful, someone having sex with a baby or a 15 year old? And again ask yourself the question, why am I/anyone else focussing on one and not the other/both.
I don't find the "what about other forms of child abuse" argument very convincing. Clearly Robinson believes there is a problem with Islam and Muslim integration of which grooming gangs are a part. Is that not a legitimate view to hold or case to argue?
And by the same token I wonder are those antifa thugs as concerned about antisemitism is the Labour party?
People tend to pick their causes and find sub-causes to support them.
And by the same token I wonder are those antifa thugs as concerned about antisemitism is the Labour party?
People tend to pick their causes and find sub-causes to support them.
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