How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)
Discussion
s2art said:
Not convinced. From John Redwood;
'The border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, is already a complex one. It is a currency, VAT, Excise and criminal law jurisdiction border. This means there are already so called hard border arrangements to ensure any goods moving across the border pay the right amount of VAT to the right authorities, and pay the relevant Excise duties. There are anti smuggling systems in place as there is obviously current scope to exploit differences of VAT and Excise by criminals. There are ways of handling movement of criminals across the frontier, and electronic systems for trade through TIR, registered economic operators and the rest.'
So a lot is in place already. If it was given high priority they could implement the rest by 2021.
John Redwood is a leading political idiot. He has at various times posted complete rubbish on passporting. I offer to guide him though a complex area for free. He decided he knew all he needed to and continued to say passporting only effected UCITS.'The border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, is already a complex one. It is a currency, VAT, Excise and criminal law jurisdiction border. This means there are already so called hard border arrangements to ensure any goods moving across the border pay the right amount of VAT to the right authorities, and pay the relevant Excise duties. There are anti smuggling systems in place as there is obviously current scope to exploit differences of VAT and Excise by criminals. There are ways of handling movement of criminals across the frontier, and electronic systems for trade through TIR, registered economic operators and the rest.'
So a lot is in place already. If it was given high priority they could implement the rest by 2021.
Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
Gloria Slap said:
I don’t for a minute suggest all brexiteers are like this/gammony, but you don’t get many brexiteers saying “look at that daft gammon, not in my name” on here. I’m sure thats just the PH bias at play.
I think they are maybe waiting for Remainers to disown you as a race baiting cretin. Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 21st April 16:27
Mrr T said:
s2art said:
Not convinced. From John Redwood;
'The border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, is already a complex one. It is a currency, VAT, Excise and criminal law jurisdiction border. This means there are already so called hard border arrangements to ensure any goods moving across the border pay the right amount of VAT to the right authorities, and pay the relevant Excise duties. There are anti smuggling systems in place as there is obviously current scope to exploit differences of VAT and Excise by criminals. There are ways of handling movement of criminals across the frontier, and electronic systems for trade through TIR, registered economic operators and the rest.'
So a lot is in place already. If it was given high priority they could implement the rest by 2021.
John Redwood is a leading political idiot. He has at various times posted complete rubbish on passporting. I offer to guide him though a complex area for free. He decided he knew all he needed to and continued to say passporting only effected UCITS.'The border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, is already a complex one. It is a currency, VAT, Excise and criminal law jurisdiction border. This means there are already so called hard border arrangements to ensure any goods moving across the border pay the right amount of VAT to the right authorities, and pay the relevant Excise duties. There are anti smuggling systems in place as there is obviously current scope to exploit differences of VAT and Excise by criminals. There are ways of handling movement of criminals across the frontier, and electronic systems for trade through TIR, registered economic operators and the rest.'
So a lot is in place already. If it was given high priority they could implement the rest by 2021.
Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
Gloria Slap said:
Gooner1
I’m not sure how I can explain it any more clearly.
Some posters attack people here because of their nationality or affliation with a foreign country. This is basically xenophobia - the definition is quite clear. When I pick up a xenophobe here for doing so I’m not watering down the phrase, it is used correctly whether the (often too dim to realise) perpetrator realises it or not. The same is true the racists in other threads - the multicultural thread is a classic, rammed with overt bigotry.
A gammon is not a racist or xenophobic phrase, as it merely describes a type of character who sometimes partakes in the aforementioned xenophobic rants, and is typified by the ranty ignorant brexit loon who thinks leaving the EU will e.g. get rid of the brown-muslim orientated immigration issues he hates even though they typically get their rage from Farage and the Mail rather than ever having had a real life issue with e.g. a real life muslim. The comical “made friends with the local car washes even though I don’t let them wash me car” is a case in point. They also blame the EU for everything in a particularly moronic way.
I don’t for a minute suggest all brexiteers are like this/gammony, but you don’t get many brexiteers saying “look at that daft gammon, not in my name” on here. I’m sure thats just the PH bias at play.
If you said someone was in the EDL, that wouldn’t be racist would it? Same with gammon. In more ways than one.
Why did you feel the need to explain the word Gammon?I’m not sure how I can explain it any more clearly.
Some posters attack people here because of their nationality or affliation with a foreign country. This is basically xenophobia - the definition is quite clear. When I pick up a xenophobe here for doing so I’m not watering down the phrase, it is used correctly whether the (often too dim to realise) perpetrator realises it or not. The same is true the racists in other threads - the multicultural thread is a classic, rammed with overt bigotry.
A gammon is not a racist or xenophobic phrase, as it merely describes a type of character who sometimes partakes in the aforementioned xenophobic rants, and is typified by the ranty ignorant brexit loon who thinks leaving the EU will e.g. get rid of the brown-muslim orientated immigration issues he hates even though they typically get their rage from Farage and the Mail rather than ever having had a real life issue with e.g. a real life muslim. The comical “made friends with the local car washes even though I don’t let them wash me car” is a case in point. They also blame the EU for everything in a particularly moronic way.
I don’t for a minute suggest all brexiteers are like this/gammony, but you don’t get many brexiteers saying “look at that daft gammon, not in my name” on here. I’m sure thats just the PH bias at play.
If you said someone was in the EDL, that wouldn’t be racist would it? Same with gammon. In more ways than one.
Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 21st April 16:27
I don't believe I at any point mentioned it. I did however
ask several other questions, which you seemed to have felt the need to ignore.
Only you know why that is.
You ask why Brexiteers don't feel the need to apologise for gammon.
Why on earth would we do that? Do you think anyone
Of different faiths, or beliefs, should apologise for any comments or act carried out by followers of the same faith or belief?
Why are you asking me anything about the views of EDL members?
Do I ask you about the views of Momentum or Antifa?
gooner1 said:
Why did you feel the need to explain the word Gammon?
I don't believe I at any point mentioned it. I did however
ask several other questions, which you seemed to have felt the need to ignore.
Only you know why that is.
You ask why Brexiteers don't feel the need to apologise for gammon.
Why on earth would we do that? Do you think anyone
Of different faiths, or beliefs, should apologise for any comments or act carried out by followers of the same faith or belief?
Why are you asking me anything about the views of EDL members?
Do I ask you about the views of Momentum or Antifa?
Some on here get very defensive when I mock Gammon, racists and xenophobes.I don't believe I at any point mentioned it. I did however
ask several other questions, which you seemed to have felt the need to ignore.
Only you know why that is.
You ask why Brexiteers don't feel the need to apologise for gammon.
Why on earth would we do that? Do you think anyone
Of different faiths, or beliefs, should apologise for any comments or act carried out by followers of the same faith or belief?
Why are you asking me anything about the views of EDL members?
Do I ask you about the views of Momentum or Antifa?
Now why is that?
Like the view that calling those traits out is a sickness, whereas actually being a racist is presumably fine.
What questions haven’t I answered? I thought you were asking who the xenophobes are? They out themselves everytime they use a foreign nation as an insult. Its easy to spot!
“you don’t look like you are from Manchester” said Charlie, the charlie.
Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 21st April 18:47
Gloria Slap said:
Some on here get very defensive when I mock Gammon, racists and xenophobes.
Now why is that?
Like the view that calling those traits out is a sickness, whereas actually being a racist is presumably fine.
What questions haven’t I answered? I thought you were asking who the xenophobes are? They out themselves everytime they use a foreign nation as an insult. Its easy to spot!
“you don’t look like you are from Manchester” said Charlie, the charlie.
1a. Do they?Now why is that?
Like the view that calling those traits out is a sickness, whereas actually being a racist is presumably fine.
What questions haven’t I answered? I thought you were asking who the xenophobes are? They out themselves everytime they use a foreign nation as an insult. Its easy to spot!
“you don’t look like you are from Manchester” said Charlie, the charlie.
Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 21st April 18:47
1b. I have no idea, why not ask them?
3.Your presumption, not mine
4a. Read my first post, properly.
4b. As in the phrase "little englander"
"You look like a racist".said Charlie, the racist.
gooner1 said:
Why did you feel the need to explain the word Gammon?
I don't believe I at any point mentioned it. I did however
ask several other questions, which you seemed to have felt the need to ignore.
Only you know why that is.
You ask why Brexiteers don't feel the need to apologise for gammon.
Why on earth would we do that? Do you think anyone
Of different faiths, or beliefs, should apologise for any comments or act carried out by followers of the same faith or belief?
Why are you asking me anything about the views of EDL members?
Do I ask you about the views of Momentum or Antifa?
The first time I've heard of Gammon being referred to as a 'faith or belief'.I don't believe I at any point mentioned it. I did however
ask several other questions, which you seemed to have felt the need to ignore.
Only you know why that is.
You ask why Brexiteers don't feel the need to apologise for gammon.
Why on earth would we do that? Do you think anyone
Of different faiths, or beliefs, should apologise for any comments or act carried out by followers of the same faith or belief?
Why are you asking me anything about the views of EDL members?
Do I ask you about the views of Momentum or Antifa?
Can anyone enlighten me as to the creed and dogma of Gammon?
gooner1 said:
1a. Do they?
1b. I have no idea, why not ask them?
3.Your presumption, not mine
4a. Read my first post, properly.
4b. As in the phrase "little englander"
"You look like a racist".said Charlie, the racist.
1a - yes, thread is littered with it - slasher usual tricks etc.1b. I have no idea, why not ask them?
3.Your presumption, not mine
4a. Read my first post, properly.
4b. As in the phrase "little englander"
"You look like a racist".said Charlie, the racist.
1b - you’ve reacted, why?
4a - you’ll need to be more specific, I have answered the “vaguely xenophobic” question twice
Little englander is similar in some ways as an EDLer. These are “things”. You can call someone draped in a st george cross and golliwog tattoo on their skull an “EDLer”, and probably with reason a racist.
Which part of this are you having difficulty with?
Are you annoyed when I call someone with a golliwog tattoo a racist?
gooner1 said:
Gloria Slap said:
Some on here get very defensive when I mock Gammon, racists and xenophobes.
Now why is that?
Like the view that calling those traits out is a sickness, whereas actually being a racist is presumably fine.
What questions haven’t I answered? I thought you were asking who the xenophobes are? They out themselves everytime they use a foreign nation as an insult. Its easy to spot!
“you don’t look like you are from Manchester” said Charlie, the charlie.
1a. Do they?Now why is that?
Like the view that calling those traits out is a sickness, whereas actually being a racist is presumably fine.
What questions haven’t I answered? I thought you were asking who the xenophobes are? They out themselves everytime they use a foreign nation as an insult. Its easy to spot!
“you don’t look like you are from Manchester” said Charlie, the charlie.
Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 21st April 18:47
1b. I have no idea, why not ask them?
3.Your presumption, not mine
4a. Read my first post, properly.
4b. As in the phrase "little englander"
"You look like a racist".said Charlie, the racist.
It's always highly amusing
Turbotbloke said:
Just worked it out.
They follow the Ten Gammondments...
They follow the Ten Gammondments...
1. Didn’t believe the bus, never mention it again
2. The will of the people is to put immigration ahead of all other brexit outcomes, whilst pretending to not really care about it. And anyone who talks about it is a bigot, or cretin, or any insult readily to hand
3. The EU is evil but must give in to all our demands
4. A magical unicorn will deliver a solution to Northern Ireland and anyone who thinks it won’t is a traitor.
5. Anyone who doesn’t love Brexit is a traitor and needs the get behind this mindless act of national damage and humiliation, or get out of the country!
s2art said:
I will take your word for it re Redwood. However I have indeed worked on large systems and as long as the civil service is kept at arms length, projects can go quite quickly, particularly if an off-the-shelf solution (such as Norway Sweden) can be used.
I have no idea what systems are used on the Norway/Sweden border. However, that border is fundamental different to that required in Ireland.
Mrr T said:
I have no idea what systems are used on the Norway/Sweden border. However, that border is fundamental different to that required in Ireland.
No, it isn't. Norway/Sweden is a single market border, where regulatory compliance is checked. We need one of those but the question is where those checks will take place, if at all.The other type of border - the one where tax and duty is collected on movements - already exists between the UK and Ireland, as mentioned previously. It's very hard to see, but it is there.
hoagypubdog said:
There is a huge error in this news report. Who can spot it?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/21/d...
The error is that no one is blaming brexit. People are not buying new cars because they maxed out their credit in 2016 not because they care about clean air https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/21/d...
hoagypubdog said:
There is a huge error in this news report. Who can spot it?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/21/d...
They forgot to put the words hard Brexit before cliff edge?https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/21/d...
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