How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

[Mrr T]

Deptford Draylons said:

Mrr T said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Says the person who woke up on June 24th and said we needed to vote again, only to then forget he ever said such a thing. If you couldn't even remember that, how smart are you really ?

To be clear after the result I felt it would be a good idea to have a second referendum on the brexit deal. I then changed my mind when I realised this might affect the negotiating positions. I forgot this.

Some months later you trailed back though many pages to find my posts.

I find that odd.

Find it odd, or just embarrassing you forgot on the morning of the 24th of June you woke up and said we need to vote again, only to deny you ever said such a thing until the exact post was linked for you, presumably refreshing your memory at that point ?

You are hear near daily calling everyone in the Brexit negotiations incompetent idiots with no clue etc etc, yet you seem to the most easily panicked person to slip into the 'I hate the result, we must vote again' mode before suffering Brexit amnesia.

I think I would have remembered if my first action was to say 'vote again' to something as momentous as the referendum result, plus it also says quite a bit your own ability to think on your feet and a rather disingenuous first action on hearing the result - a bit like hitting a car in a car park and immediately wanting to drive off and get the hell out of there . But feel free to tell PH how everyone else is clueless, forgetful and incompetent.

If I remember correctly after the result I suggested a referendum on the exit agreement not a rerun of the referendum. You can check my posting I know you love hunting through pages of post. Me I do not have the time.

As for forgetting things it comes with age. As for changing my mind on something, I believe it’s a sign of intellectual ability to consider a topic and realise your mistakes. After all I also changed my mind about which way to vote in the referendum.

As for call those negotiating brexit buffoons, I think my case is proved.

[gooner1]

Mrr T said:

As for call those negotiating brexit buffoons, I think my case is proved.

Mr T, I no understand, Mr T.

[FiF]

turbobloke said:

Mrr T said:

Not understanding something seems a talent shared by many who voted leave.

How many of those who voted Leave did you consult to form that view, and what was your methodology? Without this detail it's not possible to distinguish your post content from background noise.

Mrr T said:

The EU rules have all been incorporated into members law via, treaty, directive and regulations.

So to find out the implications of brexit just requires looking at UK law.

Unfortunately, it seems the TM government missed out this step before serving Art 50 notice.

Did you spot this and point it out to the relevant politicians when you were sitting around the table with them during such A50 discussions?

Confirmation would help, otherwise it's just more made-up stuff.

Part in bold, not so, not prepared to go over old ground yet again, but needs to learn about Soft Law and the Open Method of Coordination. It's all far more complicated than just looking at UK law. Not understanding something seems to be a talent shared by many on all sides. Not for me to say whether it's not understanding something due to lack of comprehension, lack of looking or simply unwillingness to understand or contemplate the issues. All these have been evident throughout the process, pre and post referendum.

[SpeckledJim]

Just a refresher on the rules of the game, which let us not forget, were set by the Remain Campaign.

[turbobloke]

SpeckledJim said:

Just a refresher on the rules of the game, which let us not forget, were set by the Remain Campaign.

A very timely reminder, thank you!

Naturally CMD who criticised quitters shuttled off to quit with his tail betrween his legs so he wouldn't be implementing anything. Good riddance.

[Mrr T]

FiF said:

Mrr T said:

The EU rules have all been incorporated into members law via, treaty, directive and regulations.

Part in bold, not so, not prepared to go over old ground yet again, but needs to learn about Soft Law and the Open Method of Coordination. It's all far more complicated than just looking at UK law. Not understanding something seems to be a talent shared by many on all sides. Not for me to say whether it's not understanding something due to lack of comprehension, lack of looking or simply unwillingness to understand or contemplate the issues. All these have been evident throughout the process, pre and post referendum.

I am aware of soft law. In this instance I was referring to EU law as it applied to trade dealings with a third country. As far as I was aware none of this was soft law but happy to be corrected.

[Mrr T]

SpeckledJim said:

Just a refresher on the rules of the game, which let us not forget, were set by the Remain Campaign.

Correct me if I am wrong but this only refers to leaving the EU. Are there references to the SM and CU which are only visible to team leave.

[alfie2244]

Mrr T said:

Correct me if I am wrong but this only refers to leaving the EU. Are there references to the SM and CU which are only visible to team leave.

HTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

[FiF]

Mrr T said:

FiF said:

Mrr T said:

The EU rules have all been incorporated into members law via, treaty, directive and regulations.

Part in bold, not so, not prepared to go over old ground yet again, but needs to learn about Soft Law and the Open Method of Coordination. It's all far more complicated than just looking at UK law. Not understanding something seems to be a talent shared by many on all sides. Not for me to say whether it's not understanding something due to lack of comprehension, lack of looking or simply unwillingness to understand or contemplate the issues. All these have been evident throughout the process, pre and post referendum.

I am aware of soft law. In this instance I was referring to EU law as it applied to trade dealings with a third country. As far as I was aware none of this was soft law but happy to be corrected.

That was so clear- not.

Funnily enough was reading recently an EU paper where it raised issues that in contrast to matters of State Aid, which is tied down in endless reams of soft instruments, anti dumping and the investigation thereof has almost nothing available. As you were.

[The Dangerous Elk]

alfie2244 said:

Mrr T said:

Correct me if I am wrong but this only refers to leaving the EU. Are there references to the SM and CU which are only visible to team leave.

HTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

BoooooM !

[turbobloke]

The Dangerous Elk said:

alfie2244 said:

Mrr T said:

Correct me if I am wrong but this only refers to leaving the EU. Are there references to the SM and CU which are only visible to team leave.

HTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

BoooooM !

[Deptford Draylons]

The daily excuses just keep going and going around in circles. Today we are back to no one mentioning the SM & CU, despite my recollection that it was the daily attack line from Remain who couldn't help but boast that the Leave side had " come clean " with the need to leave both.
Tomorrow someone will mention Dan Hannan again, and Thursday must be Brexit Bus Day.
What with the Remainer Brexit amnesia on voting again, all the normal PH fun and games of a Brexit thread.

[anonymous-user]

DeejRC said:

I’m not entirely sure I’d class Revolutionary and Civil Wars as “success” stories - frankly just on point of principle!

It was a success for those who benefited from the change long term.

Significant changes for long term benefit often have short term costs.

[Timmy40]

I'm at the stage with Brexit that I was with 'Lost' after about 50 bloody episodes, can we please, please, just get on with it/get it over with.

[paul789]

Deptford Draylons said:

The daily excuses just keep going and going around in circles. Today we are back to no one mentioning the SM & CU, despite my recollection that it was the daily attack line from Remain who couldn't help but boast that the Leave side had " come clean " with the need to leave both.
Tomorrow someone will mention Dan Hannan again, and Thursday must be Brexit Bus Day.
What with the Remainer Brexit amnesia on voting again, all the normal PH fun and games of a Brexit thread.

A totally futile game of ping-pong.

[andymadmak]

paul789 said:

A totally futile game of ping-pong.

Surely you mean wiff-waff?

[Digga]

Timmy40 said:

I'm at the stage with Brexit that I was with 'Lost' after about 50 bloody episodes, can we please, please, just get on with it/get it over with.

Are you absolutely sure you don't need (yet another) another recap of the dreary non-arguments, based in some parallel universe where somehow no conclusive decision to leave was ever made?

[Troubleatmill]

alfie2244 said:

Mrr T said:

Correct me if I am wrong but this only refers to leaving the EU. Are there references to the SM and CU which are only visible to team leave.

HTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

This might help too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fDn0MvcHQ4

[Gloria Slap]

More Jurgen japery.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/04/23/replies-guard...

Classic replies. There is a theme...... LOL

[Deptford Draylons]

Troubleatmill said:

alfie2244 said:

Mrr T said:

Correct me if I am wrong but this only refers to leaving the EU. Are there references to the SM and CU which are only visible to team leave.

HTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

This might help too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fDn0MvcHQ4

Come on Remainers, someone say ' but Dan Hannan said '.