How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)
Discussion
Sorry its the Express but seems I may be correct.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
Mrr T said:
Sorry its the Express but seems I may be correct.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
Possibly / perhaps https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
so but when you say "may" and they say "could" there's got to be some disquiet in your readership about the efficacy of both crystal balls.Mrr T said:
Sorry its the Express but seems I may be correct.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
You were wise to use the word 'may' for many reasons, not least because on the 21st April you wrote this:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
Mrr T said:
John Redwood is a leading political idiot. He has at various times posted complete rubbish on passporting. I offer to guide him though a complex area for free. He decided he knew all he needed to and continued to say passporting only effected UCITS.
Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
So if it takes until 2030, you'll have missed the proposed date given in the article you linked to by five years (so if it is in place by 2023 you'll be wrong, if it's in place by 2022, you'll also be wrong), and according to you it might not even work (the development) by 2030 (a rather laughable stance to take even by your standards)Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
Have you done any more crystal ball gazing since the 21st April, or are you competing with the people you refer to as buffoons?
don'tbesilly said:
Mrr T said:
Sorry its the Express but seems I may be correct.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
You were wise to use the word 'may' for many reasons, not least because on the 21st April you wrote this:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
Mrr T said:
John Redwood is a leading political idiot. He has at various times posted complete rubbish on passporting. I offer to guide him though a complex area for free. He decided he knew all he needed to and continued to say passporting only effected UCITS.
Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
So if it takes until 2030, you'll have missed the proposed date given in the article you linked to by five years (so if it is in place by 2023 you'll be wrong, if it's in place by 2022, you'll also be wrong), and according to you it might not even work (the development) by 2030 (a rather laughable stance to take even by your standards)Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
Have you done any more crystal ball gazing since the 21st April, or are you competing with the people you refer to as buffoons?
don'tbesilly said:
Mrr T said:
Sorry its the Express but seems I may be correct.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
You were wise to use the word 'may' for many reasons, not least because on the 21st April you wrote this:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
Mrr T said:
John Redwood is a leading political idiot. He has at various times posted complete rubbish on passporting. I offer to guide him though a complex area for free. He decided he knew all he needed to and continued to say passporting only effected UCITS.
Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
So if it takes until 2030, you'll have missed the proposed date given in the article you linked to by five years (so if it is in place by 2023 you'll be wrong, if it's in place by 2022, you'll also be wrong), and according to you it might not even work (the development) by 2030 (a rather laughable stance to take even by your standards)Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
Have you done any more crystal ball gazing since the 21st April, or are you competing with the people you refer to as buffoons?
No comments on the fact HMRC say they will not be ready to leave the SM and CU until 3 years after the end of transition?
Mrr T said:
The Express story says HMRC will not be ready for a customs border until 2023. It also says some of the technology is still being developed. So let's think about this . Government IT project, development of new technology, government (all) record on delivery. I would suggest my estimate of 2030 or not delivered, and 100% over budget is as good as any.
No comments on the fact HMRC say they will not be ready to leave the SM and CU until 3 years after the end of transition?
It is hardly surprising.No comments on the fact HMRC say they will not be ready to leave the SM and CU until 3 years after the end of transition?
No doubt attempts to ensure a sound transition by timing our SM / CU until the solutions to avoid economic / trafe damage will be touted as remain traitors ignoring the will of the people by brexit heros JRM and Farage.
Mrr T said:
don'tbesilly said:
Mrr T said:
Sorry its the Express but seems I may be correct.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
You were wise to use the word 'may' for many reasons, not least because on the 21st April you wrote this:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/955111/bre...
Mrr T said:
John Redwood is a leading political idiot. He has at various times posted complete rubbish on passporting. I offer to guide him though a complex area for free. He decided he knew all he needed to and continued to say passporting only effected UCITS.
Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
So if it takes until 2030, you'll have missed the proposed date given in the article you linked to by five years (so if it is in place by 2023 you'll be wrong, if it's in place by 2022, you'll also be wrong), and according to you it might not even work (the development) by 2030 (a rather laughable stance to take even by your standards)Counties across the EU have different VAT and duty rates so not just Ireland. But we are not talking about VAT or duty, borders are about tariffs and most importantly standards.
If the UK has a different tarrif to the EU without a border how does the EU stop goods passing from the UK to the rest of the EU. Remember once goods pass into the EU there are no borders.
As for getting a system in place by 2020, you must never have worked on major systems. Add that this will be a government development I would say it might be ready for 2030. As likely is that it will never work.
Have you done any more crystal ball gazing since the 21st April, or are you competing with the people you refer to as buffoons?
No comments on the fact HMRC say they will not be ready to leave the SM and CU until 3 years after the end of transition?
The same link you were using to demonstrate your assertion you may be correct.
Your own post clearly demonstrates your assertion was wrong, what part of it don't you understand?
Mrr T said:
No comments on the fact HMRC say they will not be ready to leave the SM and CU until 3 years after the end of transition?
Apart from typical public sector lethargy? What can realistically be expected from an outfit that spent considerable time hassling a PHer for £0.00 where letters and calls did nothing and in the end the only tactic that stopped these bimblers from bimbling was to send a cheque for £0.00 (this will still be on a thread somewhere).Gloria Slap said:
It is hardly surprising.
Indeed.There seems to be a lot of brexit publicity today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be a lot of brexit publicity today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
I reckon the Brexit thread on the secret parliamentary conservative party forum is the mirror image of this one. The grammar and spelling is probably worse though.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be a lot of brexit publicity today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
Let them build one , all about the EU proving how tough it is , all about it's survival and little to do with what is best for Europe ..http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
May needs to stand firm against these self serving bullies not just for us but the peoples of Europe...
PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be a lot of brexit publicity today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
On balance I think this is the answer. It keeps the UK intact, which is fair, and keeps the EU ‘coherent’ which is fair. It’ll cause some hassle at the border, but no option was without hassle. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
If Ireland would like to leave the EU, I’d welcome them into a cooperative little gang with the UK. If they wouldn’t, then they’ll have to appreciate that times change and we’re off in a different direction, and that’ll have some surmountable consequences.
PurpleMoonlight said:
There seems to be a lot of brexit publicity today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
I don't think that's right.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696263/Br...
The only possibility that appears to currently align with what the EU are willing to agree to is an FTA, and likely a hard border with Ireland.
At the moment the EU are manoeuvering hard to build up resistance to exiting the SM and CU, and it seems to be working. Rees-Mogg has kept the ERG's powder dry up to now (and used it very effectively last week) in order to gain the big prize of a clean break, but if the PM does try to fudge the issue I fear he might see it as serious enough to force the government to fall.
There are IMO two possible scenarios if we don't make significant progress on a customs arrangement/partnership - either a "Canada Plus" deal with a border down the Irish Sea, or the UK as a whole remains in both the Single Market and the Customs Union. I don't think there's a commons majority for Canada Plus, wherever the border ends up.
I have a feeling that regardless of what the Lords (or even the Commons) say about the negotiations, David Davis will come back with what he can get, and my guess is that he'll come back with it just before Christmas - leaving not enough time for anything other than a parliamentary take it or leave it vote before the 29th of March.
EU are busting a b
k on their PR machine to insist that “Think again - your best option is to remain.... and we will take that £10 Billion again thank you!!!”
If the head of HMRC says we do not need a hard border. Then that is good enough for me.
All the border arguments I have heard are from die hard remainders. Odd that. It is as if they they want us to remain.
k on their PR machine to insist that “Think again - your best option is to remain.... and we will take that £10 Billion again thank you!!!”If the head of HMRC says we do not need a hard border. Then that is good enough for me.
All the border arguments I have heard are from die hard remainders. Odd that. It is as if they they want us to remain.
Troubleatmill said:
EU are busting a bk on their PR machine to insist that “Think again - your best option is to remain.... and we will take that £10 Billion again thank you!!!”
If the head of HMRC says we do not need a hard border. Then that is good enough for me.
All the border arguments I have heard are from die hard remainders. Odd that. It is as if they they want us to remain.
The reason the border is an issue has very little to do with border issues, sadly.k on their PR machine to insist that “Think again - your best option is to remain.... and we will take that £10 Billion again thank you!!!”If the head of HMRC says we do not need a hard border. Then that is good enough for me.
All the border arguments I have heard are from die hard remainders. Odd that. It is as if they they want us to remain.
Troubleatmill said:
EU are busting a bk on their PR machine to insist that “Think again - your best option is to remain.... and we will take that £10 Billion again thank you!!!”
If the head of HMRC says we do not need a hard border. Then that is good enough for me.
All the border arguments I have heard are from die hard remainders. Odd that. It is as if they they want us to remain.
The only problem is the head of the HMRC never said that. Stop making things up. It does brexit no help.k on their PR machine to insist that “Think again - your best option is to remain.... and we will take that £10 Billion again thank you!!!”If the head of HMRC says we do not need a hard border. Then that is good enough for me.
All the border arguments I have heard are from die hard remainders. Odd that. It is as if they they want us to remain.
Mrr T said:
The only problem is the head of the HMRC never said that. Stop making things up. It does brexit no help.
In one aspect of the border (physical infrastructure), he did actually say that.https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-03-19/deb...
(Lord Lamont, Column 74)
davepoth said:
Mrr T said:
The only problem is the head of the HMRC never said that. Stop making things up. It does brexit no help.
In one aspect of the border (physical infrastructure), he did actually say that.https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-03-19/deb...
(Lord Lamont, Column 74)
Jon Thompson who is CEO of HMRC was questioned by the HoC brexit committee and a simple search allows you to download his evidence.
He has never said the UK does not need border controls in Ireland he says the Government is clear there will be no border in Ireland.
In the evidence the main point he makes is the CDC will be ready but since CDC does not help in Ireland or for the channel links it's of no use on its own.
He also says they are studying the options for the channel. As reported in several papers HMRC now believe they can be ready to deal with the channel links for brexit and leaving the SM and CU in 202.
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