How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

[Tuna]

jjlynn27 said:

Not to worry, NP&E is chocka with experts; from people who can save £30-£50Bn a year of NHS budget, people who know more about international research collaboration than Cox and Hawking to people who understand WTO better than Azevedo. And of course, the bloke who is privy to super-secret govt negotiations, but, for rather obvious reasons, can't say much more about it.

Yup. Unlike the EU threads where we have posters who can interpret trade deals by looking in peoples eyes, and others who troll relentlessly until they get banned

[davepoth]

jjlynn27 said:

And of course, the bloke who is privy to super-secret govt negotiations, but, for rather obvious reasons, can't say much more about it.

They aren't particularly secret, lots of local businesspeople attended. It's just that they asked nicely for us to not speak about it too much.

[PurpleMoonlight]

"Switzerland is the third richest landlocked country in the world after Liechtenstein and Luxembourg, and together with Norway the only two countries in the world with a GDP per capita above US$70,000 that are neither island nations nor ministates."

All those expensive watches no doubt.

[Deptford Draylons]

Gloria Slap said:

And that's the similarity with the loons on the TR thread.

But they assume its about racism.

The reason for that also has parallels with the TR thread.

You use it as a taint. Bit like the other day when I corrected another posted about what Farage actually said relating any economic benefits of Brexit. You turned up and asked if I liked his posters. You did so to undermine and taint. It's what you do, and probably why 'snide' springs to mind with you.

[Gloria Slap]

Remember that video when the swiss bloke talked about what it was like when they didn't have a good trade arrangement with the EU, and how the government sorted it out in the 90s.

Still, EFTA, who wants that!? Its got one of those disgusting E's in the acronym that means EVIL!

EDIT - here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsNXmfqQqOU&t=...

He talks about life outside the SM after 07:30

Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 16th June 18:47

[mike9009]

powerstroke said:

Remainers are the racists they only want white immigrants and want to hide inside the EU
A trading block for whites ,

Oh dear.....

[Ridgemont]

mike9009 said:

powerstroke said:

Remainers are the racists they only want white immigrants and want to hide inside the EU
A trading block for whites ,

Oh dear.....

It’s a terrible argument isn’t it.

And yet routinely carted out when describing leavers..

[gooner1]

Gloria Slap said:

Remember that video when the swiss bloke talked about what it was like when they didn't have a good trade arrangement with the EU, and how the government sorted it out in the 90s.

Still, EFTA, who wants that!? Its got one of those disgusting E's in the acronylm that means EVIL!

EDIT - here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsNXmfqQqOU&t=...

He talks about life outside the SM after 07:30

Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 16th June 18:47

PM (not you Purple) or Am?

[TonyToniTone]

Gloria Slap said:

Remember that video when the swiss bloke talked about what it was like when they didn't have a good trade arrangement with the EU, and how the government sorted it out in the 90s.

Still, EFTA, who wants that!? Its got one of those disgusting E's in the acronym that means EVIL!

EDIT - here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsNXmfqQqOU&t=...

He talks about life outside the SM after 07:30

Edited by Gloria Slap on Saturday 16th June 18:47

Is that Swiss bloke telling the truth when he states they had a 10 year recession in the 90's?

[Tuna]

Gloria Slap said:

Remember that video when the swiss bloke talked about what it was like when they didn't have a good trade arrangement with the EU, and how the government sorted it out in the 90s.

Still, EFTA, who wants that!? Its got one of those disgusting E's in the acronym that means EVIL!

EDIT - here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsNXmfqQqOU&t=...

He talks about life outside the SM after 07:30

What were you saying earlier about independent sources of information?

Here's that guys YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0IatJ7Ka1TO1RuFV...

(To save the bother, 12 videos, all on Brexit and apparently all but one shot on the same day - he's got 124 subscribers).

Here's a sample title: Brexit fallacy 2 - the UK can thrive outside the single market

You'd like him, Glo' - his Facebook page is reposts of Guardian articles.

[Gloria Slap]

TonyToniTone said:

Is that Swiss bloke telling the truth when he states they had a 10 year recession in the 90's?

Perhaps not technically a recession, but you can see Swiss growth in the early nineties was pretty low compared to say UK or US.

https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5b...

There are many variables here and some will be quick to point out low/variable growth in other EU countries in the same period, but the Swiss were a bit stagnant in the 90s.

[Tuna]

Gloria Slap said:

TonyToniTone said:

Is that Swiss bloke telling the truth when he states they had a 10 year recession in the 90's?

Perhaps not technically a recession,... but the Swiss were a bit stagnant in the 90s.

So that'll be a no then.

[Gloria Slap]

Tuna said:

What were you saying earlier about independent sources of information?

Here's that guys YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0IatJ7Ka1TO1RuFV...

(To save the bother, 12 videos, all on Brexit and apparently all but one shot on the same day - he's got 124 subscribers).

Here's a sample title: Brexit fallacy 2 - the UK can thrive outside the single market

You'd like him, Glo' - his Facebook page is reposts of Guardian articles.

I'd not seen his other videos.

It looks like the "famous" one, with 65k views, the one I linked to, is from May.

He then (he says) was inspired to do more and did the others as a series in 1 day in June - but with hardly any views.

His insight in fallacy 1 video is spot on, isn't it? And its pre ref. Interesting to remember from around Jun 16 what a load of cobblers vote leave were talking about trade deals and how this swiss guy saw straight through it and predicted the current shambles on trade accurately. He draws the comparison between German exports to UK being only 7%, and compares that to swiss being only 4%, and makes the point the swiss got nowhere getting a deal with the EU without e.g. regulatory alignment, payments and FOM.

[Gloria Slap]

Tuna said:

Gloria Slap said:

TonyToniTone said:

Is that Swiss bloke telling the truth when he states they had a 10 year recession in the 90's?

Perhaps not technically a recession,... but the Swiss were a bit stagnant in the 90s.

So that'll be a no then.

That's a great example of you taking a technicality and using it to rubbish a reasoned, fact based argument.

Well done.

Unfortunately for you it doesn't prove him wrong about the swiss having poor growth whilst outside the SM and being one of the drivers for them joining. The graph linked shows this quite clearly, but if you want to bury your head in the sand crack on.

[powerstroke]

Gloria Slap said:

Tuna said:

Gloria Slap said:

TonyToniTone said:

Is that Swiss bloke telling the truth when he states they had a 10 year recession in the 90's?

Perhaps not technically a recession,... but the Swiss were a bit stagnant in the 90s.

So that'll be a no then.

That's a great example of you taking a technicality and using it to rubbish a reasoned, fact based argument.

Well done.

Unfortunately for you it doesn't prove him wrong about the swiss having poor growth whilst outside the SM and being one of the drivers for them joining. The graph linked shows this quite clearly, but if you want to bury your head in the sand crack on.

How many years have we been in the common market and how long is our history in comparison?
The EU is just a blip we will be fine and if we leave properly without caving in , the Peoples of Europe will be in a better position to stand up to the gravy train riding bullies and get some control over their destiny too ....

[gooner1]

Gloria Slap said:

I'd not seen his other videos.

Right ho, Glo.


Quote snipped due to the effect of pure incredulity .

[Troubleatmill]

I often think that an internet forum - is kind of like walking into your local pub - and getting chatting to the rest of the regulars.

You listen, you contribute to the discussion and wait and see what everyone else thinks before contributing again.
A wide variety of people contribute - and the discussion is interesting.


Although - I'm sure we have all been in a pub that someone wants to hold court - and 30-50% of posts on every single page are theirs, their sources are generally nonsense and ill researched, the fabric of a great discussion is drowned out and a lot of the regulars lose interest.

I can't see this thread recovering, which is a shame. Quality - not quantity of the posts is key.

[Gloria Slap]

I note that you never really contribute anything TAM except moaning.

Many may disagree but I do offer opinions on brexit and its embarrassingly shambolic progress.

I can't remember you doing anything but moan about other posters.

[Troubleatmill]

Gloria Slap said:

I note that you never really contribute anything TAM except moaning.

Many may disagree but I do offer opinions on brexit and its embarrassingly shambolic progress.

I can't remember you doing anything but moan about other posters.

You post 30 times more than anyone else, and it generally is badly researched. eg Your Nissan claims etc etc
I think it was this thread - or the other one - I said you would be like Sky News - Posting the same stuff up every 15 minutes.

I do think this thread would benefit hugely if you walked the dog a bit more often and checked back once or twice a day to make your point - rather than every 15 minutes.


I check back in here every few days for a catchup - and it's Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria.......

Even on non Brexit threads.... you still post Brexit stuff.

It is quite depressing - I might need to have a look on the watch forum - It wouldn't surprise me to find you have posted "After Brexit - your Rolex is going to cost you much more!!!"

Anyway - I'm out for another month in the hope the quality improves.

Do think about it. Being the pub boor isn''t good.

[Tuna]

Gloria Slap said:

That's a great example of you taking a technicality and using it to rubbish a reasoned, fact based argument.

Well done.

Unfortunately for you it doesn't prove him wrong about the swiss having poor growth whilst outside the SM and being one of the drivers for them joining. The graph linked shows this quite clearly, but if you want to bury your head in the sand crack on.

The point was you couldn't even concede one basic fact. I wasn't saying a thing about the other stuff he went on to say - just pointing out that you steam roller over anything that doesn't suit your agenda. Doesn't matter if it's wrong, let's just ignore that and carry on.

From the conversations on here last week, you've made it clear you would burn this place to the ground before accepting Brexit. Your sources for information are a white van man on the James OBrian show, and a bloke on the internet who doesn't like Brexit. Who do you think you are convincing?

I wouldn't mind if you had anything useful to say about the negotiations, but instead it's the relentless need to prove Brexit wrong, and anyone who doesn't share that viewpoint is a 'Brexiteer' who has to be shouted down. What about those of us who recognise the difficulties of the current situation and actually want to move forward rather than re-fighting the Referendum?