How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

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p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Burwood said:
p1stonhead said:
Vanden Saab said:
p1stonhead said:
Vanden Saab said:
Who was it who claimed to have had luncheon with the Lords and said they would never pass the Brexit bill? Even claiming they would see the house of lords abolished first? Just another successful stage completed that we have been told by the people who support remain would not happen. Just like all their other predictions both before and after the referendum have been wrong. Looking forward to seeing the end result of the successful negotiations now everything else is sorted.
You honestly think after the shambles of the last two years and with the same people in charge, this is possible?
One mans shambles ... It all seems to be going to plan as far as I can see. 5 months to dot the I's and cross the t's, after all around 80% is agreed already. Not a bad result so far unless you listen to the naysayers who will no doubt be along in a minute to tell us all what an omnishambles it all is.
80% is agreed already?

What is agreed?
That we’re leaving.
More Brexiteer utter nonsence.

What has been agreed? Details please. No stupid soundbytes.

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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p1stonhead said:
More Brexiteer utter nonsence.

What has been agreed? Details please. No stupid soundbytes.
What is EVER "agreed" until the last day with the Eu ?

p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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The Dangerous Elk said:
p1stonhead said:
More Brexiteer utter nonsence.

What has been agreed? Details please. No stupid soundbytes.
What is EVER "agreed" until the last day with the Eu ?
So you agree with me that nothing is agreed yet?

The Dangerous Elk

4,642 posts

78 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Define agreed

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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p1stonhead said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
p1stonhead said:
More Brexiteer utter nonsence.

What has been agreed? Details please. No stupid soundbytes.
What is EVER "agreed" until the last day with the Eu ?
So you agree with me that nothing is agreed yet?
Flip it around. Who could do a better job? Recalcitrance is a modus of the EU.

paulrockliffe

15,718 posts

228 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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p1stonhead said:
If you were the EU though wouldn’t you be thinking ‘how do we know this whole deal isn’t going to get voted down?’ ‘You don’t even know if your own side is going to vote on it or not’

It’s laughable from a negotiation standpoint
It's pretty normal for the Government to negotiate a position for Parliament to agree. Unless it's taking us further into the EU of course....

But really, this is a positive in some respects. If May had the numbers to get almost anything through and needed a deal to ensure she didn't get smashed at the next election, the EU would be more empowered to offer up a st-sandwich as it would go through Parliament.

As it is the EU have a choice between a sensible deal and no deal at all. Despite all the posturing the EU do not want there to be no deal either.

turbobloke

104,014 posts

261 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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paulrockliffe said:
p1stonhead said:
If you were the EU though wouldn’t you be thinking ‘how do we know this whole deal isn’t going to get voted down?’ ‘You don’t even know if your own side is going to vote on it or not’

It’s laughable from a negotiation standpoint
It's pretty normal for the Government to negotiate a position for Parliament to agree. Unless it's taking us further into the EU of course....

But really, this is a positive in some respects. If May had the numbers to get almost anything through and needed a deal to ensure she didn't get smashed at the next election, the EU would be more empowered to offer up a st-sandwich as it would go through Parliament.

As it is the EU have a choice between a sensible deal and no deal at all. Despite all the posturing the EU do not want there to be no deal either.
Yes, eurodrone noise about no deal = all about their negotiating position as they actually want a deal and look to leverage it. It May :| still get screwed up (i.e. at May's end) but that's another tale of potential fkuppery.

housen

2,366 posts

193 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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  • JUNCKER: EU TO BACK IRISH `EVERY STEP OF THE WAY'
  • JUNCKER: U.K. PROPOSALS SHOW A CERTAIN WILLINGNESS
  • JUNCKER: NO DEAL NOT LIKELY
  • JUNCKER: NO BREXIT DEAL NOT LIKELY, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE
  • JUNCKER: WE NEED MORE ANSWERS FROM UK, FEWER NEW QUESTIONS
  • JUNCKER: HARDEST PART OF BREXIT TALKS STILL TO COME
  • JUNCKER; IT'S IRELAND FIRST IN BREXIT TALKS

  • BOE WON'T CONSIDER REDUCING QE DEBT UNTIL BANK RATE HITS 1.5%

Gloria Slap

8,964 posts

207 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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paulrockliffe said:
It's pretty normal for the Government to negotiate a position for Parliament to agree. Unless it's taking us further into the EU of course....

But really, this is a positive in some respects. If May had the numbers to get almost anything through and needed a deal to ensure she didn't get smashed at the next election, the EU would be more empowered to offer up a st-sandwich as it would go through Parliament.

As it is the EU have a choice between a sensible deal and no deal at all. Despite all the posturing the EU do not want there to be no deal either.
Very amusing, made me chuckle!

loafer123

15,448 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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I hadn’t looked at it that way, but it is a little like Russian Roulette now.

Varadkar must be bricking it.

Roboraver

438 posts

163 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Roboraver said:
So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,
sleep

loafer123

15,448 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Roboraver said:
So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,
A deal is, of course, the answer. Everyone agrees on that.

In the absence of a deal, we’re not putting up a hard border. The EU might, but it’s hard to see that in real life, rather than Barnier’s mind. Ireland would suffer terribly.

Gloria Slap

8,964 posts

207 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Roboraver said:
So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,
They’ll never admit they were duped!

That is the sad reality of brexit - the type that fell for it is also unlikely to admit their mistakes, which is a bit of a shame for the UK.

Vanden Saab

14,127 posts

75 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Roboraver said:
So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,
Did you finish your degree 6 months early? You must have one I am guessing...

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Gloria Slap said:
Roboraver said:
So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,
They’ll never admit they were duped!

That is the sad reality of brexit - the type that fell for it is also unlikely to admit their mistakes, which is a bit of a shame for the UK.
What type us that?

confused_buyer

6,624 posts

182 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Gloria Slap said:
They’ll never admit they were duped!

That is the sad reality of brexit - the type that fell for it is also unlikely to admit their mistakes, which is a bit of a shame for the UK.
To be perfectly honest I don't think 90% of the population give a flying fk about the NI border, or NI in general for that matter. It is an issue which matters to some in NI, many in RoI and the EU and HMG but not to people in general.

I doubt more than 2-3% of the GB residing population have even ever been to NI (which is a shame btw as it is really great).

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Gloria Slap said:
Roboraver said:
So......still no solution to the N.I border issue brexiteers? 2 years now and counting, time is running out (still no plan from hmg), just stating facts, better get used to owning up to what you voted for,
They’ll never admit they were duped!

That is the sad reality of brexit - the type that fell for it is also unlikely to admit their mistakes, which is a bit of a shame for the UK.
I would say it might be a bit of shame for the UK but it would FUBAR the ROI however I doubt
the EU would give a fk as long as the they can stick it to us naughty Brits they would see Hanging Ireland out to dry as slight collateral damage worth it for the Project..

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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powerstroke said:
I would say it might be a bit of shame for the UK but it would FUBAR the ROI however I doubt
the EU would give a fk as long as the they can stick it to us naughty Brits they would see Hanging Ireland out to dry as slight collateral damage worth it for the Project..
No, the UK voted to leave the EU, it is us that don't give a fk about Ireland and are hanging them out to dry.

Roboraver

438 posts

163 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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Airbus + 100k job + 1.7b tax revenue = own it you voted for it.
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