How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
powerstroke said:
I would say it might be a bit of shame for the UK but it would FUBAR the ROI however I doubt
the EU would give a f
k as long as the they can stick it to us naughty Brits they would see Hanging Ireland out to dry as slight collateral damage worth it for the Project..
No, the UK voted to leave the EU, it is us that don't give a fthe EU would give a f
k as long as the they can stick it to us naughty Brits they would see Hanging Ireland out to dry as slight collateral damage worth it for the Project..k about Ireland and are hanging them out to dry.Granted, the EU referendum over 2 years ago was different from a GE but it seems reasonable that most voters were considering what they felt would be best for the UK. Ireland was only mentioned in passing and even then in Project Fear terms of returning to the era of the Troubles.
At some point the UK will turn around to the EU and say "We've tried to please you but there's nothing you like so what do you want to do ? We'll just leave it as it is with no hard border". The UK won't hang anyone out to dry, the EU are perfectly capable of doing that little task but the idea that we should determine the future path of our country based on what happens to the prosperity of an external foreign power is strange.
b2hbm said:
Hmm. Well PM, when you vote in a UK election do you cast your vote for the party which has the most generous foreign policy for the RoW or do you vote on the basis of what you think the party will do for the UK ?
Granted, the EU referendum over 2 years ago was different from a GE but it seems reasonable that most voters were considering what they felt would be best for the UK. Ireland was only mentioned in passing and even then in Project Fear terms of returning to the era of the Troubles.
At some point the UK will turn around to the EU and say "We've tried to please you but there's nothing you like so what do you want to do ? We'll just leave it as it is with no hard border". The UK won't hang anyone out to dry, the EU are perfectly capable of doing that little task but the idea that we should determine the future path of our country based on what happens to the prosperity of an external foreign power is strange.
Good to see the Government is taking back control of the borders, and as usual it's always somebody elses fault.Granted, the EU referendum over 2 years ago was different from a GE but it seems reasonable that most voters were considering what they felt would be best for the UK. Ireland was only mentioned in passing and even then in Project Fear terms of returning to the era of the Troubles.
At some point the UK will turn around to the EU and say "We've tried to please you but there's nothing you like so what do you want to do ? We'll just leave it as it is with no hard border". The UK won't hang anyone out to dry, the EU are perfectly capable of doing that little task but the idea that we should determine the future path of our country based on what happens to the prosperity of an external foreign power is strange.
Fittster said:
Roboraver said:
Airbus + 100k job + 1.7b tax revenue = own it you voted for it.
Project Fear (saying that saves having to face the consequences of your actions).Roboraver said:
Airbus + 100k job + 1.7b tax revenue = own it you voted for it.
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
IIRC it was the EU that paid for Ford Transit production to move from Southampton to Turkey, who were not in the EU.confused_buyer said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think 90% of the population give a flying fk about the NI border, or NI in general for that matter. It is an issue which matters to some in NI, many in RoI and the EU and HMG but not to people in general.
Close, I cant find the news article where I read it but I think that low 80 percent of all leave voters don't care about the issue which rises to about 87% (from memory) among Conservative leave voters.k about the NI border, or NI in general for that matter. It is an issue which matters to some in NI, many in RoI and the EU and HMG but not to people in general.Which rather highlights the issue that remainers have in using such an issue to force us to stay in (even if that is leaving in name only), as the vast majority wont accept such excuses.
Edited to add I think this is a similar poll that highlights the same thing.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/brexit/brits-woul...
lbc said:
Our poll with YouGov shows that 36% of people think leaving the EU is more of a priority than keeping Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom (29%). And 71% of people that chose the EU over Northern Ireland voted Brexit.
lbc said:
Meanwhile, an overwhelming majority of Tory voters said they would prioritise leaving the EU over maintaining a United Kingdom
Edited by JagLover on Friday 22 June 07:08
Jazzy Jag said:
PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
IIRC it was the EU that paid for Ford Transit production to move from Southampton to Turkey, who were not in the EU.Sorry about that.
Fittster said:
Jazzy Jag said:
PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
IIRC it was the EU that paid for Ford Transit production to move from Southampton to Turkey, who were not in the EU.Sorry about that.
,£10 million provided by the UK government.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/rtuc.wordpress.com/...
Fittster said:
Jazzy Jag said:
PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
IIRC it was the EU that paid for Ford Transit production to move from Southampton to Turkey, who were not in the EU.Sorry about that.
don’t worry its only the high paid leftie elite airbus jobs that are moving - the condescending tts talking down to us - they can bugger off abroad.
the low paid airbus jobs and those in low paid jobs that support airbus at various levels will finally be better off!
oh. not thought that through.
ts talking down to us - they can bugger off abroad.the low paid airbus jobs and those in low paid jobs that support airbus at various levels will finally be better off!
oh. not thought that through.
PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
Get with the project man.... every potential bad side is "because brexit" everything else is "we haven't left yet".....How many times do they need to explain it to you, Can you not see what you have done, Already we have an extra 1/2 million unemployed. We have had two years of recession and the NHS is close to bankruptcy. Those who haven't already are about to lose their jobs and you just don't care. Own the Omnishambles I say, It is all an utter clusterf
k and its only going to get worse, it is all your fault and you don't care.Think that covers it... that will save the Remnants some of their precious time this morning...
Fittster said:
Jazzy Jag said:
PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
IIRC it was the EU that paid for Ford Transit production to move from Southampton to Turkey, who were not in the EU.Sorry about that.
PRTVR said:
Fittster said:
Jazzy Jag said:
PRTVR said:
Airbus a few years ago moved some production from the UK to Korea, who you be surprised to know is not in the EU, Airbus is talking of moving production to China, who is also not in the EU, was it going to happen anyway ? To me it is moving some production to growing markets in Asia , as it has in the past when we were in the EU.
IIRC it was the EU that paid for Ford Transit production to move from Southampton to Turkey, who were not in the EU.Sorry about that.
I'm not sure why you are linking the EIB with the current statement from Airbus.
Gloria Slap said:
don’t worry its only the high paid leftie elite airbus jobs that are moving - the condescending tts talking down to us - they can bugger off abroad.
the low paid airbus jobs and those in low paid jobs that support airbus at various levels will finally be better off!
oh. not thought that through.
It is ok, don't worry, as everyone skilled who can leave the country already has and there are no immigrants left to do the work us Brits wont do better and cheaper it all balances out...ts talking down to us - they can bugger off abroad.the low paid airbus jobs and those in low paid jobs that support airbus at various levels will finally be better off!
oh. not thought that through.
Gloria Slap said:
don’t worry its only the high paid leftie elite airbus jobs that are moving - the condescending tts talking down to us - they can bugger off abroad.
the low paid airbus jobs and those in low paid jobs that support airbus at various levels will finally be better off!
oh. not thought that through.
You can of course provide a link to the official Airbus announcement that they are moving all production from the UK to some as yet undisclosed country.ts talking down to us - they can bugger off abroad.the low paid airbus jobs and those in low paid jobs that support airbus at various levels will finally be better off!
oh. not thought that through.
Oh no, of course you can't.
http://www.airbus.com/investors/hedging-and-debt-i...
Airbus seems to have debts to some very pro EU bodies
One example
Supranational bank loans
European Investment Bank Loan
Total outstanding amount as of 31 December 2017: $1.8bn
Airbus seems to have debts to some very pro EU bodies
One example
Supranational bank loans
European Investment Bank Loan
Total outstanding amount as of 31 December 2017: $1.8bn
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