How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)

[Tuna]

More on Airbus:

May 2015

Express said:

UK boss Paul Kahn said he thought it was "vital" firms took a view on a possible "Brexit" following a promised in-out referendum on EU membership.

The move could put 17,000 UK Airbus jobs at risk, including 4,000 in Filton, near Bristol, and 6,000 at its wing-manufacturing plant in Broughton, north Wales.

April 2016

BBC said:

Paul Kahn, the president of Airbus UK, has explained why the company has written to all of its 15,000 employees setting out its support for staying in the EU.

He told the BBC the company was not telling its staff how to vote in June's referendum and the business would continue to make aircraft parts in the UK whatever the result.

January 2017

Independent said:

The boss of aircraft giant Airbus has warned that his company would be “entering a dangerous phase” if the UK’s vote to leave the European Union disrupts the movement of people and products.

I'm spotting a theme here from the France based, European multinational company... I wonder if anyone has been 'guiding' them...

BBC said:

Mr Barnier was giving an update on Brexit on Thursday to a meeting in Brussels ...

He stressed that the EU did not want to "punish" the UK for leaving the bloc, but ... named the Airbus wings plant, which employs 6,000 at Broughton, Flintshire, as the type of operation which depended on integration with continental Europe.

[Tuna]

It's also worth pointing out this:

BBC said:

Katherine Bennett, senior vice-president of Airbus, told BBC Radio 4's The World at One on Thursday the company was most worried about the prospect of restrictions on the movement of employees in high technology jobs.

Regardless of the deal with the EU if we have control over immigration, we can choose to allow employees in high technology jobs to come to the country and work here. It's pure fear-mongering to suggest that the EU deal could force us into a position where we would turn away specialist and highly skilled workers.

Oh and this, from Bloomberg in Feb:

Bloomberg said:

Airbus SE Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders personally promised the U.K. government the company plans to retain its British operations “long into the future’’ in a turnaround from a staunch critic of the divorce from the European Union.

Isn't it lovely when companies play politics?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Tuna said:

Regardless of the deal with the EU if we have control over immigration, we can choose to allow employees in high technology jobs to come to the country and work here. It's pure fear-mongering to suggest that the EU deal could force us into a position where we would turn away specialist and highly skilled workers.

Please be serious.

The Government will decide and they make a dogs breakfast out of everything they touch.

[Tuna]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Tuna said:

Regardless of the deal with the EU if we have control over immigration, we can choose to allow employees in high technology jobs to come to the country and work here. It's pure fear-mongering to suggest that the EU deal could force us into a position where we would turn away specialist and highly skilled workers.

Please be serious.

The Government will decide and they make a dogs breakfast out of everything they touch.

This is true. There is a grown up debate to be had about immigration, but like the NHS, polarised views from the shouty-crackers brigade (all ends of the political spectrum) prevent pragmatic solutions from coming forwards.

[Fittster]

Tuna said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Tuna said:

Regardless of the deal with the EU if we have control over immigration, we can choose to allow employees in high technology jobs to come to the country and work here. It's pure fear-mongering to suggest that the EU deal could force us into a position where we would turn away specialist and highly skilled workers.

Please be serious.

The Government will decide and they make a dogs breakfast out of everything they touch.

This is true. There is a grown up debate to be had about immigration, but like the NHS, polarised views from the shouty-crackers brigade (all ends of the political spectrum) prevent pragmatic solutions from coming forwards.

And you don't think you're in the shouty-crackers brigade?

[Tuna]

Fittster said:

And you don't think you're in the shouty-crackers brigade?

Well I've not called anyone a racist recently, and I've not demanded we send them all home so...

[amusingduck]

Fittster said:

Tuna said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Tuna said:

Regardless of the deal with the EU if we have control over immigration, we can choose to allow employees in high technology jobs to come to the country and work here. It's pure fear-mongering to suggest that the EU deal could force us into a position where we would turn away specialist and highly skilled workers.

Please be serious.

The Government will decide and they make a dogs breakfast out of everything they touch.

This is true. There is a grown up debate to be had about immigration, but like the NHS, polarised views from the shouty-crackers brigade (all ends of the political spectrum) prevent pragmatic solutions from coming forwards.

And you don't think you're in the shouty-crackers brigade?

Well, he did vote remain

[PurpleMoonlight]

Tuna said:

This is true. There is a grown up debate to be had about immigration, but like the NHS, polarised views from the shouty-crackers brigade (all ends of the political spectrum) prevent pragmatic solutions from coming forwards.

Also true. And the Government usually reacts to the shoutiest of the shouty brigade.

[Mrr T]

I have posted about aerospace before. So worth an update.

As always the first you should read the EU notice to stakeholders.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/fil...

Here is a letter from UK aerospace industry to Barnier. I assume they wrote to Barnier rather than DD, is they through DD would not understand the long words.

https://www.adsgroup.org.uk/reports/ads-and-gama-l...

Barnier has pointed out the EASA cannot negotiate only the commission.

It seems the UK is taking the issue seriously enough to advertise for Head of Aerospace Brexit Negotiations. No experience of the aerospace industry seems to be needed.

https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jo...

[PorkInsider]

Lord.Vader said:

No if Airbus closes then we are f***ed in N.Wales, 7000 direct employees here, maybe jobs are 30% of the salary, it'll be a repeat of the late 80's when the steelworks closed.

Although, it'll be progressive, they wont just close the site it'll be natural attrition and through ramp down 20+ years.

It is but a flesh wound in the noble battle for our 'Sovrinty', apparently...

[wc98]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Please be serious.

The Government will decide and they make a dogs breakfast out of everything they touch.

agreed. i know the notion of getting our st together long term escapes most people in today's instagratification society ,but that is partly what voting leave was about, for me anyway.

if it really is beyond us as a nation to prosper and flourish these days then hanging off the coat tails of a protectionist club after selling the guts of the country to all and sundry (you think the germans really give a fk about people in the south east getting to work on time every day by train as long as the subsidies keep rolling in) was only ever going to stall the inevitable.

[PurpleMoonlight]

wc98 said:

agreed. i know the notion of getting our st together long term escapes most people in today's instagratification society ,but that is partly what voting leave was about, for me anyway.

if it really is beyond us as a nation to prosper and flourish these days then hanging off the coat tails of a protectionist club after selling the guts of the country to all and sundry (you think the germans really give a fk about people in the south east getting to work on time every day by train as long as the subsidies keep rolling in) was only ever going to stall the inevitable.

What input does the EU have with southern trains?

[sidicks]

Mrr T said:

Here is a letter from UK aerospace industry to Barnier. I assume they wrote to Barnier rather than DD, is they through DD would not understand the long words.

Always great to insult someone else’s intelligence whilst demonstrating an inability to write a coherent sentence of your own...

[wc98]

PurpleMoonlight said:

What input does the EU have with southern trains?

i would post a roll eyes smiley at this point, but being a thick brexiteer i don't know how to, have a smile instead .

[PurpleMoonlight]

wc98 said:

i would post a roll eyes smiley at this point, but being a thick brexiteer i don't know how to, have a smile instead .

Oh okay, I guess I misunderstood your point.

[Tuna]

Mrr T said:

I have posted about aerospace before. So worth an update.

As always the first you should read the EU notice to stakeholders.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/fil...

Here is a letter from UK aerospace industry to Barnier. I assume they wrote to Barnier rather than DD, is they through DD would not understand the long words.

https://www.adsgroup.org.uk/reports/ads-and-gama-l...

Barnier has pointed out the EASA cannot negotiate only the commission.

It seems the UK is taking the issue seriously enough to advertise for Head of Aerospace Brexit Negotiations. No experience of the aerospace industry seems to be needed.

https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jo...

I'm sure we were talking about Airbus and the aerospace manufacturing industry...so why are you posting a job advert for airspace negotiations? You do know that building them and flying them are two different things don't you?

[Mrr T]

Tuna said:

Mrr T said:

I have posted about aerospace before. So worth an update.

As always the first you should read the EU notice to stakeholders.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/fil...

Here is a letter from UK aerospace industry to Barnier. I assume they wrote to Barnier rather than DD, is they through DD would not understand the long words.

https://www.adsgroup.org.uk/reports/ads-and-gama-l...

Barnier has pointed out the EASA cannot negotiate only the commission.

It seems the UK is taking the issue seriously enough to advertise for Head of Aerospace Brexit Negotiations. No experience of the aerospace industry seems to be needed.

https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jo...

I'm sure we were talking about Airbus and the aerospace manufacturing industry...so why are you posting a job advert for airspace negotiations? You do know that building them and flying them are two different things don't you?

Read the links. It covers more than just flying the aircraft it covers maintenance and I may be wrong but I think the manufacturers are also closely involved in the maintenance of the aircraft which I suspect is needed to fly them.

[Vanden Saab]

Mrr T said:

Read the links. It covers more than just flying the aircraft it covers maintenance and I may be wrong but I think the manufacturers are also closely involved in the maintenance of the aircraft which I suspect is needed to fly them.

Ring ring oh hi is that airbus... Yes it is... Ah good it is BA here we want to buy 20 a380s with a UK maintenance contract... Sorry sir due to brexit we don't maintain aircraft in the UK now... Ah OK bye... Hello is that boeing?
fking hilarious set me up for the weekend that has...

[jonnyb]

Vanden Saab said:

Mrr T said:

Read the links. It covers more than just flying the aircraft it covers maintenance and I may be wrong but I think the manufacturers are also closely involved in the maintenance of the aircraft which I suspect is needed to fly them.

Ring ring oh hi is that airbus... Yes it is... Ah good it is BA here we want to buy 20 a380s with a UK maintenance contract... Sorry sir due to brexit we don't maintain aircraft in the UK now... Ah OK bye... Hello is that boeing?
fking hilarious set me up for the weekend that has...

Boeing aircraft are certified and maintained under EASA regulations as well, so the removal type certificates and maintenance approvals would apply to Boeing also.

The U.K. CAA can of course issues their own, but they haven’t started that process, and there is no guarantee that the EU would accept certificates issues here.

As things stand now, no UK registered aircraft will be allowed to operate beyond March 2019. All crew licenses and medicals will be invalid, all type certificates, and approvals will also be invalid.

While I hope things will change between now and March, that is how things stand now.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Vanden Saab said:

Ring ring oh hi is that airbus... Yes it is... Ah good it is BA here we want to buy 20 a380s with a UK maintenance contract... Sorry sir due to brexit we don't maintain aircraft in the UK now... Ah OK bye... Hello is that boeing?
fking hilarious set me up for the weekend that has...

Ring Ring oh hi is that BA ....Yes it is, Ah good it's UK customer here I want to buy 2 tickets to fkknowswhere please ..certainly that will be £2000 please .. What it was only £1200 last year ... yes I know but we had to buy boeing aircraft as Airbus left the UK due to bexit.