How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)
Discussion
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
Jimboka said:
I don’t know why there is a fuss about the £40 billion. It’s peanuts compared to the amount we found to bail out the banks / NHS £120 + billion a year, every year / devaluation of the £. Just fire up the presses & be done with it! A drop in the ocean.
On a separate note, I wonder when Gibraltar will be at the fore. That subject has been remarkably quiet
Because Gib is a bit different, there is already a border there and when Spain tried to used them as a pawn the rest of the EU told them to STFU.On a separate note, I wonder when Gibraltar will be at the fore. That subject has been remarkably quiet
Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
To give the U.K. more certainty about the future relationship before it signs on the dotted line to leave, officials inserted a clause into the sufficient progress “joint report” in December that says Britain’s commitments to honor it financial obligations are conditional on the final exit treaty taking into account a “framework for the future relationship” agreed during Brexit negotiations
PurpleMoonlight said:
...the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. ...
So what do you think "...taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union..." means? And do you not think that this "taking account of" is part of what gets agreed in the exit agreement?Why do you think it was included in Art50? If the two things are wholly exclusive, why include this statement at all?
Can you also point out in the Art50 wording for me exactly what we owe as part of the exit? After all, after over 2yrs this must be the most crystal clear of items in there
Coolbanana said:
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt.
The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
If PM can't, perhaps you could point us to the agreements we signed up to that by EU convention see you committed to beyond membership expiring? Shares of assets and liabilities being noted would be good too please.The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
It's a made up number. Part of it was to cover transition payments and the other elements had notions as to what they would cover...but I'd love to see the detail you have. Maybe the message it would give to RoW is actually that we're happy to pay for tangible benefit, but made up numbers are no longer de rigeur
Ghibli said:
don'tbesilly said:
Raab has even mentioned withholding part of the divorce settlement without a trade agreement.
Thank the lord that Raab is going to save us....
Unless that's something else May has backtracked on.
Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
king certainty they won’t - the Yanks have already laughed at the idea they would in same circumstances!Murph7355 said:
So you have no idea what it is we are actually legally bound to pay?
Do you want a list of the costs or legal opinion on whether or not the UK is liable?Anyway, here is a link to the OBR's summary. See Annex B.
http://cdn.obr.uk/EFO-MaRch_2018.pdf
DeejRC said:
Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
king certainty they won’t - the Yanks have already laughed at the idea they would in same circumstances!
gooner1 said:
DeejRC said:
Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
king certainty they won’t - the Yanks have already laughed at the idea they would in same circumstances!Zod said:
Burwood said:
Zod said:
ORD said:
Good luck provisionally agreeing to pay £39 bn and then resisting a claim for that amount if sued.
The greater worry is the impact of non-payment on our ability to do deals with anyone else.Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
turbobloke said:
gooner1 said:
DeejRC said:
Coolbanana said:
Garvin said:
So now it is you who can't or won't understand! It doesn't matter in the slightest what the payment is actually for. Never mind reality, perception is all (as witnessed throughout this thread). If the government coughs it up with three fifths of not a lot in return they will be unceremoniously dumped by the electorate.
Indeed, perception...and if the UK does not honour its Agreements made with the EU prior to the Referendum, it's image as a country that will renege on it's word and commitments will resonate throughout the R.O.W. and everyone will know to take anything the UK Negotiators say with a pinch of salt. The UK made commitments under a deal it was actively engaged in. If it refuses to pay its debts it is nothing less that a swine of a country and would deserve to be treated as such by all.
king certainty they won’t - the Yanks have already laughed at the idea they would in same circumstances!Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff