How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 3)
Discussion
Jockman said:
About to hit vol 4 on this thread. Who would have thought this could be such a divisive issue.
Gina Miller appears in a Times article today about the need for a 2nd ref to reinforce democracy and over come divisions in society. Not sure she realises she could be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Meanwhile we are stockpiling medicine and food while we prepare for a no deal Brexit.Gina Miller appears in a Times article today about the need for a 2nd ref to reinforce democracy and over come divisions in society. Not sure she realises she could be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
It all sounds like project fear but we all know it is the will of the people.
Everything would be going to plan if it wasn't for Gina Miller.
Jockman said:
About to hit vol 4 on this thread. Who would have thought this could be such a divisive issue.
Gina Miller appears in a Times article today about the need for a 2nd ref to reinforce democracy and over come divisions in society. Not sure she realises she could be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Even if you voted Remain as I did she’s a very difficult character to like, not the best voice for the 48% that’s for sure. She strikes me very much as someone who has to have her own way in everything and if she doesn’t get it the toys get thrown out of the pram. Gina Miller appears in a Times article today about the need for a 2nd ref to reinforce democracy and over come divisions in society. Not sure she realises she could be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
JagLover said:
If we leave with no deal whatsoever it will indeed be very disruptive, and you can be certain the EU will try and ensure it is as disruptive as possible . Sensible precautions will indeed include the army.
I am not willing to continue as a vassal state for the sake of a few months disruption and, as long as we are properly prepared, it is nothing to fear.
This country was not only cut off from Europe in WW2 it had uboats attacking ships bringing supplies from the rest of the world. But we survived, endured, and later prospered.
No, we didn’t. We flirted with economic collapse for decades. We were a shambles.I am not willing to continue as a vassal state for the sake of a few months disruption and, as long as we are properly prepared, it is nothing to fear.
This country was not only cut off from Europe in WW2 it had uboats attacking ships bringing supplies from the rest of the world. But we survived, endured, and later prospered.
ORD said:
JagLover said:
If we leave with no deal whatsoever it will indeed be very disruptive, and you can be certain the EU will try and ensure it is as disruptive as possible . Sensible precautions will indeed include the army.
I am not willing to continue as a vassal state for the sake of a few months disruption and, as long as we are properly prepared, it is nothing to fear.
This country was not only cut off from Europe in WW2 it had uboats attacking ships bringing supplies from the rest of the world. But we survived, endured, and later prospered.
No, we didn’t. We flirted with economic collapse for decades. We were a shambles.I am not willing to continue as a vassal state for the sake of a few months disruption and, as long as we are properly prepared, it is nothing to fear.
This country was not only cut off from Europe in WW2 it had uboats attacking ships bringing supplies from the rest of the world. But we survived, endured, and later prospered.
I’ve said I’ll leave if Jezza f
ks the country up but I make a solemn promise now, if my bacon supply dries up I’m outta here.djc206 said:
Even if you voted Remain as I did she’s a very difficult character to like, not the best voice for the 48% that’s for sure. She strikes me very much as someone who has to have her own way in everything and if she doesn’t get it the toys get thrown out of the pram.
Like the Will of the People brigade and hard Brexit, then. They don’t care about the economic harm, they just object massively at a personal level to detailed regulation of product requirements...nothing to do with xenophobia and all,,,all about freedom to make small changes to the regulatory environment. ORD said:
Like the Will of the People brigade and hard Brexit, then. They don’t care about the economic harm, they just object massively at a personal level to detailed regulation of product requirements...nothing to do with xenophobia and all,,,all about freedom to make small changes to the regulatory environment.
As many people have explained, there were many reasons for people choosing to vote to leave the EU.Are you one of those people who wasn't well enough informed before making your decision?
Jockman said:
About to hit vol 4 on this thread. Who would have thought this could be such a divisive issue.
Gina Miller appears in a Times article today about the need for a 2nd ref to reinforce democracy and over come divisions in society. Not sure she realises she could be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
To be fair, Gina Miller, whatever her ultimate motivation, did us all a service when she went to law to uphold the supremacy of Parliament. Gina Miller appears in a Times article today about the need for a 2nd ref to reinforce democracy and over come divisions in society. Not sure she realises she could be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
At the time, however, she claimed her motivation was not to reverse the result of the referendum but purely to enforce the rule of law.
And Remainers accuse Brexiteers of being charlatans!
djc206 said:
We also had rationing for 9 years after the war.
I’ve said I’ll leave if Jezza fks the country up but I make a solemn promise now, if my bacon supply dries up I’m outta here.
Hold your horses! There was another thread on here bemoaning the lack of decent bacon almost anywhere abroad!.I’ve said I’ll leave if Jezza f
ks the country up but I make a solemn promise now, if my bacon supply dries up I’m outta here.sidicks said:
As many people have explained, there were many reasons for people choosing to vote to leave the EU.
Are you one of those people who wasn't well enough informed before making your decision?
Really? I thought it was now abundantly clear that every single Leave voter was absolutely insistent on leaving the Single Market and Customs Union? Just kidding: we all know that’s utter bAre you one of those people who wasn't well enough informed before making your decision?
ks for the reason you give.So it’s all up for grabs, and the softest of possible Brexits is the only rational outcome. It’s about damage limitation.
ORD said:
Really? I thought it was now abundantly clear that every single Leave voter was absolutely insistent on leaving the Single Market and Customs Union? Just kidding: we all know that’s utter bks for the reason you give.
ks for the reason you give.
ORD said:
So it’s all up for grabs, and the softest of possible Brexits is the only rational outcome. It’s about damage limitation.
Sorry you weren't sufficiently well informed to make your decision!Edited by sidicks on Sunday 29th July 09:46
vonuber said:
sidicks said:
Sorry you weren't sufficiently well informed to make your decision!
Why did you vote leave, and what do you want as your version of leave?How do you reconcile things like the Irish border are with your particular version?
appears to be sidicks version of Brexit.ORD said:
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So it’s all up for grabs, and the softest of possible Brexits is the only rational outcome. It’s about damage limitation.
Damage limitation for Remain? I think we'd all agree with that. So it’s all up for grabs, and the softest of possible Brexits is the only rational outcome. It’s about damage limitation.
And bugger the majority who voted Leave.
I asked previously and I ask again, even if Remain were successful at overturning the result, what consequences do you imagine would ensue.
I assume you believe that we window-licking serfs will just shrug our shoulders, give up and retreat to our hovels, and just glare balefully at you gentry when pass by, all the while tugging our forelocks?
I think you'll be rapidly disabused of that notion.
ORD said:
No, we didn’t. We flirted with economic collapse for decades. We were a shambles.
The UK paid a heavy price that didn't end on VE day for ridding the world of the Nazi regime.It was the only choice, even though the people knew it would mean a destroyed infrastructure, a lost generation and an enormous financial burden on future generations.
ORD said:
We have learnt from the last referendum that trying to simplify things that aren’t simple is stupid. There will be 3 possible outcomes. Keeping one of them off the table and would be idiotic.
I do see the problem with splitting the Leave, but the answer to that is probably preference voting.
The ‘You lost that one!’ gang are showing again how democracy is only sacred when it suits them. They hate it when it doesn’t.
I think the first referendum was an appallingly stupid idea and that direct democracy is a terrible way to govern, but our politicians will fail and so are bound to call another stupid vote.
The third, four and that special No 5 referenda should be fun then.I do see the problem with splitting the Leave, but the answer to that is probably preference voting.
The ‘You lost that one!’ gang are showing again how democracy is only sacred when it suits them. They hate it when it doesn’t.
I think the first referendum was an appallingly stupid idea and that direct democracy is a terrible way to govern, but our politicians will fail and so are bound to call another stupid vote.
jsf said:
The UK paid a heavy price that didn't end on VE day for ridding the world of the Nazi regime.
It was the only choice, even though the people knew it would mean a destroyed infrastructure, a lost generation and an enormous financial burden on future generations.
You need help. That analogy makes you look either extremely stupid or slightly deranged. It was the only choice, even though the people knew it would mean a destroyed infrastructure, a lost generation and an enormous financial burden on future generations.
psi310398 said:
Damage limitation for Remain? I think we'd all agree with that.
And bugger the majority who voted Leave.
I asked previously and I ask again, even if Remain were successful at overturning the result, what consequences do you imagine would ensue.
I assume you believe that we window-licking serfs will just shrug our shoulders, give up and retreat to our hovels, and just glare balefully at you gentry when pass by, all the while tugging our forelocks?
I think you'll be rapidly disabused of that notion.
Another Brexiteer classic. And bugger the majority who voted Leave.
I asked previously and I ask again, even if Remain were successful at overturning the result, what consequences do you imagine would ensue.
I assume you believe that we window-licking serfs will just shrug our shoulders, give up and retreat to our hovels, and just glare balefully at you gentry when pass by, all the while tugging our forelocks?
I think you'll be rapidly disabused of that notion.
‘If we don’t get Hard Brexit, we’ll smash everything up! Coz we’re well hard!’
Doesn’t sit terribly well with the argument that the Brexit mob on here are really Thinking Brexiteers with deeply held (but very unclear) feelings about different modes of economic alignment.
ORD said:
jsf said:
The UK paid a heavy price that didn't end on VE day for ridding the world of the Nazi regime.
It was the only choice, even though the people knew it would mean a destroyed infrastructure, a lost generation and an enormous financial burden on future generations.
You need help. That analogy makes you look either extremely stupid or slightly deranged. It was the only choice, even though the people knew it would mean a destroyed infrastructure, a lost generation and an enormous financial burden on future generations.
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