Uber driverless car in fatal accident
Discussion
Mr2Mike said:
RobDickinson said:
Tesla dont equip their cars with lidar.
Just cameras and radar.
And we have already seen how well that worked out...Just cameras and radar.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Sunday 25th March 10:44
Have there been more disasters?
glazbagun said:
Teslas have badly named Cruise control (which shouldn't be allowed IMO) but as far as I'm aware the only problem they've had was when they hit the back of a truck after misjudging the distance.
Have there been more disasters?
The one he's talking about is where a Tesla drove into the side of a truck that turned across the road. Fairly macabre reading since the car kept driving...Have there been more disasters?
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/20/tesla_dea...
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
Teslas have badly named Cruise control (which shouldn't be allowed IMO) but as far as I'm aware the only problem they've had was when they hit the back of a truck after misjudging the distance.
Have there been more disasters?
The one he's talking about is where a Tesla drove into the side of a truck that turned across the road. Fairly macabre reading since the car kept driving...Have there been more disasters?
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/20/tesla_dea...
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
Teslas have badly named Cruise control (which shouldn't be allowed IMO) but as far as I'm aware the only problem they've had was when they hit the back of a truck after misjudging the distance.
Have there been more disasters?
The one he's talking about is where a Tesla drove into the side of a truck that turned across the road. Fairly macabre reading since the car kept driving...Have there been more disasters?
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/20/tesla_dea...
Edited to add...here is a diagram of the accident:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/01/bus...
Edited by 98elise on Sunday 25th March 13:10
akirk said:
but a machine is and always will be totally incapable of approximating human intelligence, so while machines will be capable of deriving phenomenally complex conclusions, beyond the comprehension of humans, and so we will label them as AI, they can never breathe / think / philosophise / create as a human - until we gain God's skills in creation, machines will just be fast number crunchers, that does not make them true AI - the sci-fi novel fantasy of machines that can a tually think will never happen - let us not confuse complexity with originality...
The human brain is a machine. There's no ghost in it.otolith said:
akirk said:
but a machine is and always will be totally incapable of approximating human intelligence, so while machines will be capable of deriving phenomenally complex conclusions, beyond the comprehension of humans, and so we will label them as AI, they can never breathe / think / philosophise / create as a human - until we gain God's skills in creation, machines will just be fast number crunchers, that does not make them true AI - the sci-fi novel fantasy of machines that can a tually think will never happen - let us not confuse complexity with originality...
The human brain is a machine. There's no ghost in it.
machines are always rational - just spend some time reading this forum, won't take long to realise that might not be the case for some humans!
akirk said:
otolith said:
akirk said:
but a machine is and always will be totally incapable of approximating human intelligence, so while machines will be capable of deriving phenomenally complex conclusions, beyond the comprehension of humans, and so we will label them as AI, they can never breathe / think / philosophise / create as a human - until we gain God's skills in creation, machines will just be fast number crunchers, that does not make them true AI - the sci-fi novel fantasy of machines that can a tually think will never happen - let us not confuse complexity with originality...
The human brain is a machine. There's no ghost in it.machines are always rational - just spend some time reading this forum, won't take long to realise that might not be the case for some humans!
akirk said:
otolith said:
akirk said:
but a machine is and always will be totally incapable of approximating human intelligence, so while machines will be capable of deriving phenomenally complex conclusions, beyond the comprehension of humans, and so we will label them as AI, they can never breathe / think / philosophise / create as a human - until we gain God's skills in creation, machines will just be fast number crunchers, that does not make them true AI - the sci-fi novel fantasy of machines that can a tually think will never happen - let us not confuse complexity with originality...
The human brain is a machine. There's no ghost in it.machines are always rational - just spend some time reading this forum, won't take long to realise that might not be the case for some humans!
AW111 said:
otolith said:
If we had the computing power and data to emulate the connectome of an entire human brain in realtime, we'd have an artificial machine which behaved like a human mind.
That remains only a hypothesis, until tested. DonkeyApple said:
akirk said:
otolith said:
akirk said:
but a machine is and always will be totally incapable of approximating human intelligence, so while machines will be capable of deriving phenomenally complex conclusions, beyond the comprehension of humans, and so we will label them as AI, they can never breathe / think / philosophise / create as a human - until we gain God's skills in creation, machines will just be fast number crunchers, that does not make them true AI - the sci-fi novel fantasy of machines that can a tually think will never happen - let us not confuse complexity with originality...
The human brain is a machine. There's no ghost in it.machines are always rational - just spend some time reading this forum, won't take long to realise that might not be the case for some humans!
Electronically controlled Driverless trucks at Wolverhampton depot
[source: Coventry telegraph, may 1960].
Genuine question: Still going or ended? Can't say much about this since the paragraph in the newspaper is very short and not very informative. I don't know if these only stayed on the rail or actually moved/turned on the road.
Citroen DS19 modified by TRR Lab in 60s with magnetic strips/cables built into the M4 motorway. This was to aid the testing of driverless cars following which I guess this was abandoned. This activity was publicly funded too just like these days but still ended up with bugger all didn't it ?
[source: Cruising into the future, May 2001. Telegraph]
The world has been trying their hands at driverless cars since the beginning of 1900s and the only thing really improved up till now is communication technology and processing power. Keep dreaming, all you have now is a glorified cruise control system, only after what 40+ years?
With a lack of anymore financial crisis maybe in 2080 some cars won't have a steering wheel or pedals or any input. Someone like dr t will come along in the middle of the timeframe, say maybe around 2030/2040 and say "by my calculations, I predict driverless cars in the future".
This event has clearly shown a failure yet again.
[source: Coventry telegraph, may 1960].
Genuine question: Still going or ended? Can't say much about this since the paragraph in the newspaper is very short and not very informative. I don't know if these only stayed on the rail or actually moved/turned on the road.
Citroen DS19 modified by TRR Lab in 60s with magnetic strips/cables built into the M4 motorway. This was to aid the testing of driverless cars following which I guess this was abandoned. This activity was publicly funded too just like these days but still ended up with bugger all didn't it ?
[source: Cruising into the future, May 2001. Telegraph]
The world has been trying their hands at driverless cars since the beginning of 1900s and the only thing really improved up till now is communication technology and processing power. Keep dreaming, all you have now is a glorified cruise control system, only after what 40+ years?
With a lack of anymore financial crisis maybe in 2080 some cars won't have a steering wheel or pedals or any input. Someone like dr t will come along in the middle of the timeframe, say maybe around 2030/2040 and say "by my calculations, I predict driverless cars in the future".
This event has clearly shown a failure yet again.
Edited by captainaverage on Monday 26th March 17:45
captainaverage said:
Electronically controlled Driverless trucks at Wolverhampton depot
[source: Coventry telegraph, may 1960].
Genuine question: Still going or ended? Can't say much about this since the paragraph in the newspaper is very short and not very informative. I don't know if these only stayed on the rail or actually moved/turned on the road.
Citroen DS19 modified by TRR Lab in 60s with magnetic strips/cables built into the M4 motorway. This was to aid the testing of driverless cars following which I guess this was abandoned. This activity was publicly funded too just like these days but still ended up with bugger all didn't it ?
[source: Cruising into the future, May 2001. Telegraph]
The world has been trying their hands at driverless cars since the beginning of 1900s and the only thing really improved up till now is communication technology and processing power. Keep dreaming, all you have now is a glorified cruise control system, only after what 40+ years?
With a lack of anymore financial crisis maybe in 2080 some cars won't have a steering wheel or pedals or any input. Someone like dr t will come along in the middle of the timeframe, say maybe around 2030/2040 and say "by my calculations, I predict driverless cars in the future".
This event has clearly shown a failure yet again.
Highly unlikely it's still going given the age. The concept has of course carried on and evolved.[source: Coventry telegraph, may 1960].
Genuine question: Still going or ended? Can't say much about this since the paragraph in the newspaper is very short and not very informative. I don't know if these only stayed on the rail or actually moved/turned on the road.
Citroen DS19 modified by TRR Lab in 60s with magnetic strips/cables built into the M4 motorway. This was to aid the testing of driverless cars following which I guess this was abandoned. This activity was publicly funded too just like these days but still ended up with bugger all didn't it ?
[source: Cruising into the future, May 2001. Telegraph]
The world has been trying their hands at driverless cars since the beginning of 1900s and the only thing really improved up till now is communication technology and processing power. Keep dreaming, all you have now is a glorified cruise control system, only after what 40+ years?
With a lack of anymore financial crisis maybe in 2080 some cars won't have a steering wheel or pedals or any input. Someone like dr t will come along in the middle of the timeframe, say maybe around 2030/2040 and say "by my calculations, I predict driverless cars in the future".
This event has clearly shown a failure yet again.
Edited by captainaverage on Monday 26th March 17:45
Assuming it was a serious question (which I doubt) this is the sort of thing that operates now.
https://youtu.be/wiKS-RYf-cY
The port trucks are automated, as are all the non dock cranes. Only cranes that operate above uncontrolled area's like ship decks are human controlled.
Arizona have now suspended Uber's AV testing and Uber have reached an undisclosed settlement with the family of the woman killed
I read an article during the week from the manufacturers of the Volvo OEM safety kit, they said the standard Volvo safety system must have been disabled as it would have worked. I can't find the link now. Notably there has been no comment from Volvo on the subject either. I'm sure this story won't be doing them any favours.
Also those XC90's have pedestrian protection with sensors in the bumpers to detect a human & using pyrotechnic rams lift the bonnet. The pictures I have seen of the car that appears not to have been activated.
Also those XC90's have pedestrian protection with sensors in the bumpers to detect a human & using pyrotechnic rams lift the bonnet. The pictures I have seen of the car that appears not to have been activated.
cptsideways said:
I read an article during the week from the manufacturers of the Volvo OEM safety kit, they said the standard Volvo safety system must have been disabled as it would have worked. I can't find the link now. Notably there has been no comment from Volvo on the subject either. I'm sure this story won't be doing them any favours
It's been widely reported that Uber disabled the standard anti-collision sensor on their Volvo. The manufacturers of the Vovlo system unsurprisingly want to distance themselves from the failure of Ubers systems. Bloomberg article lyonspride said:
It's also looking as though Uber tampered with the video footage to make the road look darker, other drivers have footage of the same road at the same time of day and it's nowhere near that dark.
That said, stupid place to cross the road.
Same day?That said, stupid place to cross the road.
Regardless it doesn't mean that tampered with the footage. It entirely possible it's what that particular camera picked up. I doubt the accident investigators would be fooled by some tampered footage from one camera, and what sane individual would get involved with evidence tampering in the USA?
Would you risk some serious jail time to protect your employer from a potential manslaughter charge?
Edited by 98elise on Saturday 31st March 12:02
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