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amusingduck said:
Seems like the dad might have been a bit stabby when he was younger 
spicy.
Twitter is an absolute s
tfest. Knuckle dragger central.
Someones done some digging there. I thought if the defendant was under 18 they weren't named ?spicy.
Twitter is an absolute s
tfest. Knuckle dragger central.Jasandjules said:
I asked myself would I do whatever I could if it was my child in this situation....
To be fair you do what you think is best. that involves facing up to reality. a long time back the support and help we received made the decision to say "its time" a lot easier. And to be fair it hadn't gone on for months like this seems to have done. No matter how coldly and bluntly you ask the doctors to explain it to you your mind chips away at the words you hear. My wife broke down while I was more stiff lipped but its what worked for us. It will be rather different for these parents as they will have to endure a longer period whilst their child wanes.Why I am so very, very angry with this is that its so selfish to other parents who will be having to wade through the mob. The nurses that attended to us were some of the most wonderful people we have ever met and I dont think for one minute that years later and in another town that these nurses will be any less caring and compassionate..
Sorry to be biographic on this but one of the things both myself and wife decided on was that we would mourn our loss but that we would contain it. that sounds horrible now but it was important to our other two girls that life and seeing to their needs and also dealing with their loss was maintained.
That does sound incredibly clinical but it whats worked for us. And it helped our girls enormously.
A couple of things my wife has mentioned is that the mother seems muted the communication always seems to come from the father. the other is that in her opinion the father is not facing up to reality and is in some ways running away from it.
Anyway its not a good situation to be in. And just as importantly its not a good situation for the other parents there at the hospital.
I think any reasonable person will give the parents a large margin of error given the awful circumstances.
However, it does get to a point where their behaviour can be criticised. Plenty of parents have to accept their child is terminally ill and do so in a dignified way without creating a distracting circus like this.
Only a fool would think there is any other possible outcome after reading the court judgement that has been previously linked in this thread.
However, it does get to a point where their behaviour can be criticised. Plenty of parents have to accept their child is terminally ill and do so in a dignified way without creating a distracting circus like this.
Only a fool would think there is any other possible outcome after reading the court judgement that has been previously linked in this thread.
La Liga said:
I think any reasonable person will give the parents a large margin of error given the awful circumstances.
However, it does get to a point where their behaviour can be criticised. Plenty of parents have to accept their child is terminally ill and do so in a dignified way without creating a distracting circus like this.
Only a fool would think there is any other possible outcome after reading the court judgement that has been previously linked in this thread.
While your here your plod or a lawyer I think ?However, it does get to a point where their behaviour can be criticised. Plenty of parents have to accept their child is terminally ill and do so in a dignified way without creating a distracting circus like this.
Only a fool would think there is any other possible outcome after reading the court judgement that has been previously linked in this thread.
Am I right about the under 18 thing name not being revealed or am I far from the mark on it - genuine question
Tankrizzo said:
Of course, it had to be Theresa May's fault that he's dying 
I wonder if they asked the Pope why his God did this to their child?As a father I sympathise with their situation, but they are now affecting the lives of other people with sick children. Half truths and a baying mob are not going to help the situation.
techiedave said:
La Liga said:
I think any reasonable person will give the parents a large margin of error given the awful circumstances.
However, it does get to a point where their behaviour can be criticised. Plenty of parents have to accept their child is terminally ill and do so in a dignified way without creating a distracting circus like this.
Only a fool would think there is any other possible outcome after reading the court judgement that has been previously linked in this thread.
While your here your plod or a lawyer I think ?However, it does get to a point where their behaviour can be criticised. Plenty of parents have to accept their child is terminally ill and do so in a dignified way without creating a distracting circus like this.
Only a fool would think there is any other possible outcome after reading the court judgement that has been previously linked in this thread.
Am I right about the under 18 thing name not being revealed or am I far from the mark on it - genuine question
More on it here: https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/reporting-re...
JDiz said:
Henners said:
Has a donation page been set up yet?
Seems to be the norm. The funds obviously get returned or donated to charity if not used for the kiddo...
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/sarah-evans-791Seems to be the norm. The funds obviously get returned or donated to charity if not used for the kiddo...
110k on that plus they've been posting paypal info too
Rovinghawk said:
My fiancee died slowly of cancer with all that this involves. I would have wanted to quietly administer an injection to make it end painlessly.
Same with my Dad and eldest sister and I felt the same. As Rovinghawk said earlier, we treat our terminally ill pets better than people.It doesn’t happen very often, but I’m in agreement with him on this occasion. The baying mob should pack up and f
k off. Alfie’s parents have every right to fight for their son, but the hangers on are just a set of tossers.I don’t have children so I don’t know how I’d react if this was me. I suspect I’d be clutching at straws too, while at the same time, I like to think I’d listen to the medical advice. None of the medical staff want to prolong any child’s suffering, but I understand it’s a terrible position for his parents to be in.
I’m sure if the medical staff thought they could maintain or improve his quality of life, they would move heaven and earth to do so.
techiedave said:
To be fair you do what you think is best. that involves facing up to reality. a long time back the support and help we received made the decision to say "its time" a lot easier.
Indeed. Part of my internal conflict is that I was told I would never walk again. I do. I was told I would never work again. I do. I don't have the utmost faith in medics given that (it wasn't just one who said these things but several as guess what, I didn't give up and went to see more) and then when you consider medical errors kill rather a lot of people a year in the UK. Would I try to go to another hospital if there was half a chance? Yes, I think I would have to try as I could not live with myself if I did not.
Jasandjules said:
techiedave said:
To be fair you do what you think is best. that involves facing up to reality. a long time back the support and help we received made the decision to say "its time" a lot easier.
Indeed. Part of my internal conflict is that I was told I would never walk again. I do. I was told I would never work again. I do. I don't have the utmost faith in medics given that (it wasn't just one who said these things but several as guess what, I didn't give up and went to see more) and then when you consider medical errors kill rather a lot of people a year in the UK. Would I try to go to another hospital if there was half a chance? Yes, I think I would have to try as I could not live with myself if I did not.
He's got 70% of his brain missing. They don't make synthetic brains...
Jasandjules said:
techiedave said:
To be fair you do what you think is best. that involves facing up to reality. a long time back the support and help we received made the decision to say "its time" a lot easier.
Indeed. Part of my internal conflict is that I was told I would never walk again. I do. I was told I would never work again. I do. I don't have the utmost faith in medics given that (it wasn't just one who said these things but several as guess what, I didn't give up and went to see more) and then when you consider medical errors kill rather a lot of people a year in the UK. Would I try to go to another hospital if there was half a chance? Yes, I think I would have to try as I could not live with myself if I did not.
However, the fundamental difference between this case and the proton beam therapy/Charlie Gard cases is that everyone in the medical profession is saying the same thing. The only thing the Italians are offering is a perpetual maintenance of non-life through life support. The British have said that enough is enough.
The stabbing thing is what I alluded to yesterday. The irony is, as I understand it, that whilst decrying the staff of Alder Hey as murderers - the only reason he wasn't found guilty of murder was because Alder Hey successfully saved the life of his victim.
amusingduck said:
70% of his brain is mush, AIUI. No fixing that.
The judgment provides all the information you could possibly need
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
O/T but this isn't this first judgement I've read, and I have to say - nor is it the first time I've been enormously impressed.The judgment provides all the information you could possibly need
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
paranoid airbag said:
amusingduck said:
70% of his brain is mush, AIUI. No fixing that.
The judgment provides all the information you could possibly need
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
O/T but this isn't this first judgement I've read, and I have to say - nor is it the first time I've been enormously impressed.The judgment provides all the information you could possibly need
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/20...
I was just reading the backlash today after the father claimed Alfie was improving and breathing on his own. That further incited more hatred against the hospital. I'm reading that those claims have been dismissed by the court.
What this case proves is people shouldn't be allowed to play games over Facebook in circumstances like this. He has wrongly generated a lot of hatred towards the hospital with zero justification.
There's a lot of people believing every word he says even when is information is either wrong or lies. I don't know if he's just getting his wires crossed or he's intentionally doing it.
What this case proves is people shouldn't be allowed to play games over Facebook in circumstances like this. He has wrongly generated a lot of hatred towards the hospital with zero justification.
There's a lot of people believing every word he says even when is information is either wrong or lies. I don't know if he's just getting his wires crossed or he's intentionally doing it.
Driver101 said:
There's a lot of people believing every word he says even when is information is either wrong or lies. I don't know if he's just getting his wires crossed or he's intentionally doing it.
The rest of us would take the doctors advice, and perhaps if we doubted something would seek a second opinion from a mainstream medical organisation. They seem to have found religious-biased information/advice and mixed it with Facebook lawyers and doctors, with the current outcome. They must be getting bombarded with information and clearly they aren't the sort to be skilled at spotting the good from the bad.
the latest is that the father is now going to appeal todays judgement.
Its very sad and as i said before its time for the father to face up to the realty.
The mob are a disgrace and need to be dispersed. people inciting disruption at the hospital via social media should be charged and have the book thrown at them. I am given to wonder if so called hate crime prosecutions for social media only lean one way
A thorough example should be made of them. the establishment can and do this when it suits. An example is voter fraud.
These idiots need severely punishing. If you get past the headlines if Alfies army and look at some of the other posts you will come across ones from concerned relatives of other patients there.
Again unfortunately I think his father has behaved terribly and I suspect the backlash against him may start after the childs death.
Its very sad and as i said before its time for the father to face up to the realty.
The mob are a disgrace and need to be dispersed. people inciting disruption at the hospital via social media should be charged and have the book thrown at them. I am given to wonder if so called hate crime prosecutions for social media only lean one way
A thorough example should be made of them. the establishment can and do this when it suits. An example is voter fraud.
These idiots need severely punishing. If you get past the headlines if Alfies army and look at some of the other posts you will come across ones from concerned relatives of other patients there.
Again unfortunately I think his father has behaved terribly and I suspect the backlash against him may start after the childs death.
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