Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Forgetting about this particular case, if medical experts said such a move would cause pain and distress to the patient with no tangible benefit, would parents still have the right to move the patient?
I agree with the hospital but who do you believe when hospitals seem to be almost competing to provide care?Hospitals abroad won’t be doing it for free.
You’d hope that the court would take expert opinion from a number or professional sources rather than just the hospital treating. They may well do but I’ve no idea of the proceedings.
Faz50 said:
I agree with the hospital but who do you believe when hospitals seem to be almost competing to provide care?
Hospitals abroad won’t be doing it for free.
You’d hope that the court would take expert opinion from a number or professional sources rather than just the hospital treating. They may well do but I’ve no idea of the proceedings.
Read the document on the previous pageHospitals abroad won’t be doing it for free.
You’d hope that the court would take expert opinion from a number or professional sources rather than just the hospital treating. They may well do but I’ve no idea of the proceedings.
Faz50 said:
Intetesting read, as someone has mentioned it they’ve lost parental rights now then it’s coming to a conclusion.
As far as I can gather from various cases, the parents have no specifics rights in regards to medical treatment - the the doctors and courts decide what is in the *patient's* (child's) interests.Frankly, when the parents are taking advice from the "Christian Legal Centre" the kid needs all the help he can get...
edit: To be fair, the letter the was waving said they said he had the right to remove the child with the backup of a full medical team, and I think the problem the hospital had was that he turned up with no such team - he was just waving passports.
Edited by Gareth79 on Friday 13th April 22:35
Faz50 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Forgetting about this particular case, if medical experts said such a move would cause pain and distress to the patient with no tangible benefit, would parents still have the right to move the patient?
I agree with the hospital but who do you believe when hospitals seem to be almost competing to provide care?Hospitals abroad won’t be doing it for free.
You’d hope that the court would take expert opinion from a number or professional sources rather than just the hospital treating. They may well do but I’ve no idea of the proceedings.
The professionals don't like it up them do they ?
https://news.sky.com/story/ashya-king-may-be-cance...
I wonder if the state/legal/medical profession were happy with their actions in that case ?
speedyguy said:
As regards trying your best for your child.
The professionals don't like it up them do they ?
https://news.sky.com/story/ashya-king-may-be-cance...
I wonder if the state/legal/medical profession were happy with their actions in that case ?
I would expect that they are.The professionals don't like it up them do they ?
https://news.sky.com/story/ashya-king-may-be-cance...
I wonder if the state/legal/medical profession were happy with their actions in that case ?
At the time of the case, there was no clinical evidence that proton beam therapy was better. There was good scientific reason to believe that it would be equally effective to conventional treatment while having fewer side effects on the ears, thyroid gland, lungs and heart.
Since then, there is now some small scale non-randomised clinical evidence which confirms that it is equally effective, and may have fewer side effects, but the trial is not robust enough to confirm this.
The reason for the hospital's actions in that case were because, radiotherapy is an urgently needed treatment. The child was seriously unwell and recovering from major brain surgery, but still could not swallow or speak. He was tube fed, which has potential hazards, if the tube is accidentally pulled, and the parents had no practical plan to safely get him transported to a clinic which could offer the treatment in the required time frame.
As it was, he got the treatment with a significant delay, and appears to be making a good recovery, despite the delay in treatment.
Latest appeal lodged.
judges express dismay at the protests.
Personally I think Alfies Army are a total disgrace and hope it leads to legislation being brought in that protests cannot take place outside of hospitals.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43...
judges express dismay at the protests.
Personally I think Alfies Army are a total disgrace and hope it leads to legislation being brought in that protests cannot take place outside of hospitals.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43...
As I listen to Radio City on my commute, I'm constantly bombarded by this story every news hour.
As first I was sympathetic, but then they repeatedly played interviews with the father in which he used phrases such as "hes fighting for his life in there, hes doin OK, but these doctors they want him dead. This little kid, they want him dead, how's that right?".
My sympathy rapidly vanished and was bestowed on the poor hospital staff instead. I can't imagine how hard it must be to face losing a child, but FFS they really do need to a) face reality and b) stop slandering the medical staff who are doing their very best on what every single expert has agreed is a lost cause of a case
As first I was sympathetic, but then they repeatedly played interviews with the father in which he used phrases such as "hes fighting for his life in there, hes doin OK, but these doctors they want him dead. This little kid, they want him dead, how's that right?".
My sympathy rapidly vanished and was bestowed on the poor hospital staff instead. I can't imagine how hard it must be to face losing a child, but FFS they really do need to a) face reality and b) stop slandering the medical staff who are doing their very best on what every single expert has agreed is a lost cause of a case
My fiancee died slowly of cancer with all that this involves. I would have wanted to quietly administer an injection to make it end painlessly.
The last thing I would have wanted was a bunch of gyppo thugs protesting outside, prolonging the ordeal & making it worse for everyone.
Utter scum.
The last thing I would have wanted was a bunch of gyppo thugs protesting outside, prolonging the ordeal & making it worse for everyone.
Utter scum.
As a couple of posters know we lost a daughter years ago. She had been badly injured in a RTA non of which was her fault.
Unfortunately because she was alive but being kept alive by equipment a decision had to be made.
We were helped to arrive at that decision by the enormous compassion. courtesy and honesty by the doctors involved.
I genuinely can understand and sympathise with parents in similar circumstances. You will try and cling to hope, any hope. You will also try and shield yourself from reality but the reality is you are simply running away from the reality.
One thing we didn't have to endure was wading through bunches of yobs when visiting our child.
The demonstrators should be totally and thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Absolutely disgusted both with the demonstrators and to be blunt the way Alfies father has conducted himself.
Unfortunately because she was alive but being kept alive by equipment a decision had to be made.
We were helped to arrive at that decision by the enormous compassion. courtesy and honesty by the doctors involved.
I genuinely can understand and sympathise with parents in similar circumstances. You will try and cling to hope, any hope. You will also try and shield yourself from reality but the reality is you are simply running away from the reality.
One thing we didn't have to endure was wading through bunches of yobs when visiting our child.
The demonstrators should be totally and thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Absolutely disgusted both with the demonstrators and to be blunt the way Alfies father has conducted himself.
I heard a woman on the radio last week who had flown over from Belfast to be part of the "supporters" outside Alder Hey. The not very subtle underlying subtext is Religion. She was preaching how the Doctors were playing God despite the fact the doctors are probably keeping him alive anyway.
Everybody should have watched the hospital programme on BBC the other week that went behind the scenes of a paediatric care unit. The staff put their hearts and souls into caring for very sick kids but it is up to them and not the parents when treatments are withdrawn which is a fact these baying mobs don't seem to comprehend.
Everybody should have watched the hospital programme on BBC the other week that went behind the scenes of a paediatric care unit. The staff put their hearts and souls into caring for very sick kids but it is up to them and not the parents when treatments are withdrawn which is a fact these baying mobs don't seem to comprehend.
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