Alfie's Army

[br d]

Europa1 said:

techiedave said:

The Sanctification of stabby daddy has started with him being given an accolade by Everton Football Club.

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I'd imagine it will be someone from EFC social media department and they will think this is good business.

[amusingduck]

TheFlyingBanana said:

Timmy40 said:

TheFlyingBanana said:

Europa1 said:

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I must have missed something - why is he being referred to as "stabby daddy"?

Cause he stabbed an almost killed someone 5 years ago.

Wonderful. Got a link?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6145668/alfie-evans-heartbreaking-story/

Sun said:

While there, Tom may have asked for forgiveness over an incident five years ago when he stabbed another teenager in a row over a bike. Tom, then 15, twice knifed Owen Connor as he cycled home.

[Gameface]

TheFlyingBanana said:

Timmy40 said:

TheFlyingBanana said:

Europa1 said:

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I must have missed something - why is he being referred to as "stabby daddy"?

Cause he stabbed an almost killed someone 5 years ago.

Wonderful. Got a link?

And it was the doctors at alder hey who saved the life of his victim, thus preventing him facing a murder charge.

He's clearly not one for gratitude...

[Driver101]

br d said:

Europa1 said:

techiedave said:

The Sanctification of stabby daddy has started with him being given an accolade by Everton Football Club.

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I'd imagine it will be someone from EFC social media department and they will think this is good business.

A quick read of the Everton forums and it looks like Everton fans see it like most people. A very distasteful award and an embarrassment to the club.

[4x4Tyke]

TheFlyingBanana said:

Europa1 said:

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I must have missed something - why is he being referred to as "stabby daddy"?

I've been wondering the same, seen it quite a lot on other social media and assume it refers to something not reported in msm. Largely ignored it because it's not really relevant to the core issue.

[Type R Tom]

4x4Tyke said:

TheFlyingBanana said:

Europa1 said:

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I must have missed something - why is he being referred to as "stabby daddy"?

I've been wondering the same, seen it quite a lot on other social media and assume it refers to something not reported in msm. Largely ignored it because it's not really relevant to the core issue.

It is when allegedly the boy he stabbed was saved Alder Hey Hospital, the same hospital (that he was critical off) Alfie was in. Thereby preventing him from being in prison for murder and allowing him conceive Alfie.

[98elise]

Type R Tom said:

4x4Tyke said:

TheFlyingBanana said:

Europa1 said:

Seriously? Someone at Everton FC needs to have a serious word with themselves.

I must have missed something - why is he being referred to as "stabby daddy"?

I've been wondering the same, seen it quite a lot on other social media and assume it refers to something not reported in msm. Largely ignored it because it's not really relevant to the core issue.

It is when allegedly the boy he stabbed was saved Alder Hey Hospital, the same hospital (that he was critical off) Alfie was in. Thereby preventing him from being in prison for murder and allowing him conceive Alfie.

To me it's more that he is someone who stabbed a child over a bike, but wants to sweep it under the carpet. At the same time he wants doctors prosecuted for murder, even though all they have done is care for his son.

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Driver101 said:

A quick read of the Everton forums and it looks like Everton fans see it like most people. A very distasteful award and an embarrassment to the club.

It's not great, but my understanding is the accolade was for Alfie, not his stabby daddy.

I believe stabby daddy sees it as one and the same thing. Bare in mind the recent articles that try and centre the blame onto the appalling advice and guidance the couple received. My point is simply that stabby daddy was the problem. His antics and behaviour may well have long reaching consequences for medical staff and hospitals treating sick children. He was all too happy to whip up the mob. Knew just what and when to post.
He was the issue just as much as the people advising him. He isn't a victim

Read this:
"He (Tom Evans) said: “I just want to thank Bill. From the moment I made the phone call I felt as though he was the grandad I never had.
“I never grew up with a grandad, but he said to me ‘if there’s anything you need, anything,’ and I just said I wanted my boy’s name to be echoed round the club.
“My dream as a child was to play for Everton. I remember watching Rooney score that goal in my brother’s bedroom. I was only a little nipper but my dream was to follow in those steps.
“When I couldn’t follow those steps and I had Alfie my dream was then to have him to follow those steps. My number one goal that I wanted to do was to take him to the game and scream, and scream and come home with a sore throat like me.

Ever watched those programmes where the parents push the kids into competitions and stuff ? Ever noticed how the parents get accused of living their own lives through the kids ? I know this guy is grieving for his child but I think he basks in the attention. Sorry to be so heartless but I say it how it comes across .

Driver101 said:

A quick read of the Everton forums and it looks like Everton fans see it like most people. A very distasteful award and an embarrassment to the club.

Yes some of the comments are interesting.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-dix...

"The issue that I have with Alfie Evans’ dad being presented with a blue blood award, is the fact, that he started an all out war against the very establishment that was trying to make the end of his sons life as comfortable as possible. To the point where nurses and doctors were being labelled as murderers people driving past were being stopped if they didn’t beep their horn.

The hospital got stormed by [Poor language removed] idiots, and Alfie was under police guard because there was a threat that he was going to be taken. Now you could argue that he wasn’t involved in this, and in the most extreme cases he wasn’t there, however he started the action with his get out out on the streets comment, and it perpetuates from there. He could have stopped it at any time yet he chose not to.

I have sympathy for him for what has happened to his son, but the chaos he started and the abuse that ordinary people suffered not to mention all of the other patients being treated in the hospital, to be honest dampens my sympathy somewhat.

That’s why I don’t think he should be getting an award "

"would have been better giving the BlueBlood award to AlderHey would have shown more class, and a nod of solidarity to them and the years our club and players have supported them. Not sure the warm welcome next Christmas will be without forgetting that award tonight."

"Spot on Tim, how someone can misread the public so badly and think this was a good idea (award to Tom Evans) is mind boggling. As has been stated if he was a rs fan he wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole and if it was the rs who gave him an award we would be ripping them to pieces. He should have awarded it to all the staff and patients at Alder Hey they will be around years after everyone has forgotten this abysmal chapter in Liverpool history. Wonder if he is aware of how uncomfortable many blues are about this."

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 2nd May 13:51

[4x4Tyke]

techiedave said:

I believe stabby daddy sees it as one and the same thing. Bare in mind the recent articles that try and centre the blame onto the appalling advice and guidance the couple received. My point is simply that stabby daddy was the problem. His antics and behaviour may well have long reaching consequences for medical staff and hospitals treating sick children. He was all too happy to whip up the mob. Knew just what and when to post.
He was the issue just as much as the people advising him. He isn't a victim

Read this:
"He (Tom Evans) said: “I just want to thank Bill. From the moment I made the phone call I felt as though he was the grandad I never had.
“I never grew up with a grandad, but he said to me ‘if there’s anything you need, anything,’ and I just said I wanted my boy’s name to be echoed round the club.
“My dream as a child was to play for Everton. I remember watching Rooney score that goal in my brother’s bedroom. I was only a little nipper but my dream was to follow in those steps.
“When I couldn’t follow those steps and I had Alfie my dream was then to have him to follow those steps. My number one goal that I wanted to do was to take him to the game and scream, and scream and come home with a sore throat like me.

Ever watched those programmes where the parents push the kids into competitions and stuff ? Ever noticed how the parents get accused of living their own lives through the kids ? I know this guy is grieving for his child but I think he basks in the attention. Sorry to be so heartless but I say it how it comes across .

That is almost mind blindness stuff, usually kids develop a theory of mind as late toddlers. Around the age of two or three most kids become aware that other people know and feel different things. This is underdeveloped in some people and they never fully develop this and it is linked to all sort of anti-social personality types.

-- edit --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-blindness

What is 'rs'?

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Wednesday 2nd May 13:56

[Sway]

I've also seen a photograph I've seen/been sent that could shift even the most ardent support away from the dad.

To be slightly cryptic - his recourse to violence doesn't seem to have ended with his stabby event a few years ago...

[e30m3Mark]

Sway said:

I've also seen a photograph I've seen/been sent that could shift even the most ardent support away from the dad.

To be slightly cryptic - his recourse to violence doesn't seem to have ended with his stabby event a few years ago...

Why doesn't this surprise me?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

techiedave said:

Read this:
"He (Tom Evans) said: “
“My dream as a child was to play for Everton. I remember watching Rooney score that goal in my brother’s bedroom. I was only a little nipper but my dream was to follow in those steps.
“When I couldn’t follow those steps and I had Alfie my dream was then to have him to follow those steps.

Yes, I hope my kids grow up to shag hookers and drive drunk.

[Sway]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Indeed - if I have a copy, sitting 400 miles away with no connection, then I can guarantee various news desks will...

[Vizsla]

Sway said:

I've also seen a photograph I've seen/been sent that could shift even the most ardent support away from the dad.

It won't. Anyone dim enough to buy into all the garbage posted by him and his retard 'army' will have no difficulty in convincing themselves that anything remotely critical of Saint Tom (genuflect, genuflect) is fake news and a stitch-up.

[anonymous-user]

Anyone else picked up on something ever sop strangely odd ?
The Mother.
Not only has she used a different set of legal advisors she has been strangely quiet about this.
My wife is clearly of the opinion that she (the mum) has been under stabby daddys thumb and that he has failed her (the mum).
Her view is that the couples relationship is finished and she will move on and try and get on with life. Stabby daddy will dwell on it and milk it for his own ends .

[Sway]

There's a reason for that.

Allegedly.

[AJL308]

Sway said:

DrDeAtH said:

Simple solution:

Offer the parents and 'Alfies army' the child.
Say we have done all that is possible.
All yours, just sign this form to say you can't fix him, and then be on your way..
No legal recourse, nothing.

There was 120k in the gofundme this morning....


I understand this view is highly unpopular, so don't bother flaming me.

Not going to 'flame you' - however the problem with that is it enshrines the false view that a parent has 'rights' over a child, as though they are property.

[b]Quite simply, parents don't have rights. They have a level of discretion afforded to them in how they deliver on their obligations.[b/]

Agreed. One of the most succinctly put things I've ever read.

[AJL308]

Sa Calobra said:

Gargamel said:

All

I have been thinking about this situation last night and this morning, it is shocking and appalling what the staff at Alder Hey are having to put up with.

What better way to show that not all the public feel like this than to support them

https://donate.alderheycharity.org/public/

Can I encourage like minded PHers to donate, and show some support for a world class organisation and some brilliant professionals

I think it wouldn't be unfair to suggest to the parents to donate the crowd funding money to the hospital.

I think it's been discussed on other threads about what happens to these 'funds' when it becomes clear that the original purpose of them ceases to exist. Theses are trusts, surely, and there are specific legal rules as to how trust money is to be dealt with when the object of the trust ceases. You can't just decide to give it away if it was donated for a specific purpose. The individual donations should be returned, surely?

[KTF]

The way I see it, the site they use it like a version of paypal only with a 'charity' wrapper around it. At the end of the fundraising, the money is transferred to the account you setup and thats the end of it.

https://help.justgiving.com/hc/en-us/articles/2027... and https://home.justgiving.com/startfundraising

Edit: Here is another example: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/rebecca-st...

Edited by KTF on Wednesday 2nd May 17:47

[AJL308]

KTF said:

The way I see it, the site they use it like a version of paypal only with a 'charity' wrapper around it. At the end of the fundraising, the money is transferred to the account you setup and thats the end of it.

https://help.justgiving.com/hc/en-us/articles/2027... and https://home.justgiving.com/startfundraising

Edit: Here is another example: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/rebecca-st...

Edited by KTF on Wednesday 2nd May 17:47

Regardless of where it eventually ends up there seems little doubt that, legally speaking, the money forms a trust whether or not there are formal trust documents relating to it. It was donated by various people for a particular and specific purpose and that purpose no longer exists.

That being the case, the normal rules relating to the disposition of trust property tend to suggest that the donations should be returned to those who donated it. The trustees are not simply free to dispose of it as they wish even if it is all given to other charities or 'good causes'.

Edited by AJL308 on Wednesday 2nd May 18:19