Multiculturalsim
Discussion
del mar said:
No need to be careful, if it is what you think say it, doesn’t bother me.
Ok 
I've formed a view of what I think you are by what you reflect in your posts here. Obviously, it is a personal opinion and may not be true at all. 
You are scared. You are very likely also a Fascist.
A frightened person who lives in a trembling, deep-seated fear that your neighbourhood - and country - will change to become 'foreign' to you; to reflect the values and way of life that immigrants from the last 50-odd years or so bring.
It may not be that you would be overtly racist towards anyone who wasn't an immigrant, i.e. you may find yourself enjoying the company of Polish and Iranian people, for example, in Poland or Iran. However, when they relocate to your country, then you despise it. It forces you to become defensive, to hate, to be a racist. It's all their fault, isn't it? The UK is supposed to be what you want it to be and nothing else.
Does it grate every nerve when you see 'foreigner's encroach upon your perfect idea of what Britain should be? How far away from being a fully paid up member of Britain First are you? Or are you already a proud member? A Fascist.
Fascists are enemies of a civilized Society, destructors who can tear down but never build.
Coolbanana said:
del mar said:
No need to be careful, if it is what you think say it, doesn’t bother me.
Ok I've formed a view of what I think you are by what you reflect in your posts here. Obviously, it is a personal opinion and may not be true at all. You are scared. You are very likely also a Fascist.
A frightened person who lives in a trembling, deep-seated fear that your neighbourhood - and country - will change to become 'foreign' to you; to reflect the values and way of life that immigrants from the last 50-odd years or so bring.
It may not be that you would be overtly racist towards anyone who wasn't an immigrant, i.e. you may find yourself enjoying the company of Polish and Iranian people, for example, in Poland or Iran. However, when they relocate to your country, then you despise it. It forces you to become defensive, to hate, to be a racist. It's all their fault, isn't it? The UK is supposed to be what you want it to be and nothing else.
Does it grate every nerve when you see 'foreigner's encroach upon your perfect idea of what Britain should be? How far away from being a fully paid up member of Britain First are you? Or are you already a proud member? A Fascist.
Fascists are enemies of a civilized Society, destructors who can tear down but never build.
What do the people who don't like multiculturalism think of the USA? Wasn't it formed on the basis of multiculturalism? People from various countries coming together; some by choice, some by force. However it started, what should be done about multiculturalism there now? Should each group have it's own state so they dont have to try to mix with each other?
TooMany2cvs said:
Coolbanana said:
del mar said:
No need to be careful, if it is what you think say it, doesn’t bother me.
Ok I've formed a view of what I think you are by what you reflect in your posts here. Obviously, it is a personal opinion and may not be true at all. You are scared. You are very likely also a Fascist.
A frightened person who lives in a trembling, deep-seated fear that your neighbourhood - and country - will change to become 'foreign' to you; to reflect the values and way of life that immigrants from the last 50-odd years or so bring.
It may not be that you would be overtly racist towards anyone who wasn't an immigrant, i.e. you may find yourself enjoying the company of Polish and Iranian people, for example, in Poland or Iran. However, when they relocate to your country, then you despise it. It forces you to become defensive, to hate, to be a racist. It's all their fault, isn't it? The UK is supposed to be what you want it to be and nothing else.
Does it grate every nerve when you see 'foreigner's encroach upon your perfect idea of what Britain should be? How far away from being a fully paid up member of Britain First are you? Or are you already a proud member? A Fascist.
Fascists are enemies of a civilized Society, destructors who can tear down but never build.
TooMany2cvs said:
Randy Winkman said:
What do the people who don't like multiculturalism think of the USA? Wasn't it formed on the basis of multiculturalism?
Slavery notwithstanding, I suspect Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King might disagree.I would not be using the USA as an example of anything, I think they could learn a lot form how we have done things in Britain.
For me, they also happen to be the most dangerous country in the world. Racism is rife there on several counts.
Yet in some ways they are more advanced. Like us their sports teams are often now dominated by blacks. But unlike us so much, their military is apparently very well balanced with blacks and whites and Hispanics.
But there is still widespread fear of the police, massive gang problems are areas were poverty is as bad as it is in third world countries.
My point would again be that the topic is not one that can be answered easily. Also now heavily influenced by short term Eastern European immigrants, here to make money and go home. Some so called immigrants have mixed perfectly, some races have not because they simply do not want to. That will never change.
For me, they also happen to be the most dangerous country in the world. Racism is rife there on several counts.
Yet in some ways they are more advanced. Like us their sports teams are often now dominated by blacks. But unlike us so much, their military is apparently very well balanced with blacks and whites and Hispanics.
But there is still widespread fear of the police, massive gang problems are areas were poverty is as bad as it is in third world countries.
My point would again be that the topic is not one that can be answered easily. Also now heavily influenced by short term Eastern European immigrants, here to make money and go home. Some so called immigrants have mixed perfectly, some races have not because they simply do not want to. That will never change.
chunder27 said:
I would not be using the USA as an example of anything, I think they could learn a lot form how we have done things in Britain.
For me, they also happen to be the most dangerous country in the world. Racism is rife there on several counts.
Yet in some ways they are more advanced. Like us their sports teams are often now dominated by blacks. But unlike us so much, their military is apparently very well balanced with blacks and whites and Hispanics.
But there is still widespread fear of the police, massive gang problems are areas were poverty is as bad as it is in third world countries.
My point would again be that the topic is not one that can be answered easily. Also now heavily influenced by short term Eastern European immigrants, here to make money and go home. Some so called immigrants have mixed perfectly, some races have not because they simply do not want to. That will never change.
Absolutely. And the usual suspects who cry 'bigot' 'racism' 'xenophobic' etc, never call out the immigrant groups who try and segregate themselves and recreate thier own culture here in the uk, with scant regard for our laws in a lot of cases. Are the groups who live in Smethwick or Bradford xenophobic? They prefer to talk thier own language, watch thier own tv, eat thier own foods, similar to brits in Spain really. For me, they also happen to be the most dangerous country in the world. Racism is rife there on several counts.
Yet in some ways they are more advanced. Like us their sports teams are often now dominated by blacks. But unlike us so much, their military is apparently very well balanced with blacks and whites and Hispanics.
But there is still widespread fear of the police, massive gang problems are areas were poverty is as bad as it is in third world countries.
My point would again be that the topic is not one that can be answered easily. Also now heavily influenced by short term Eastern European immigrants, here to make money and go home. Some so called immigrants have mixed perfectly, some races have not because they simply do not want to. That will never change.
chunder27 said:
I would not be using the USA as an example of anything, I think they could learn a lot form how we have done things in Britain.
For me, they also happen to be the most dangerous country in the world. Racism is rife there on several counts.
Yet in some ways they are more advanced. Like us their sports teams are often now dominated by blacks. But unlike us so much, their military is apparently very well balanced with blacks and whites and Hispanics.
But there is still widespread fear of the police, massive gang problems are areas were poverty is as bad as it is in third world countries.
My point would again be that the topic is not one that can be answered easily. Also now heavily influenced by short term Eastern European immigrants, here to make money and go home. Some so called immigrants have mixed perfectly, some races have not because they simply do not want to. That will never change.
By what possible measure could you judge it the most dangerous country in the world? Unless you mean to other nations rather than for people living there.For me, they also happen to be the most dangerous country in the world. Racism is rife there on several counts.
Yet in some ways they are more advanced. Like us their sports teams are often now dominated by blacks. But unlike us so much, their military is apparently very well balanced with blacks and whites and Hispanics.
But there is still widespread fear of the police, massive gang problems are areas were poverty is as bad as it is in third world countries.
My point would again be that the topic is not one that can be answered easily. Also now heavily influenced by short term Eastern European immigrants, here to make money and go home. Some so called immigrants have mixed perfectly, some races have not because they simply do not want to. That will never change.
They consider themselves the police of the world, endlessly getting stupidly involved in conflict and trying to put tings right that are nothing to do with them in the rather empty threat of "terror"
They are the only country to drop the bomb, and to endlessly lose conflicts and drag us into them sadly with our weak politicians.
They are the only country to drop the bomb, and to endlessly lose conflicts and drag us into them sadly with our weak politicians.
Coolbanana said:
del mar said:
No need to be careful, if it is what you think say it, doesn’t bother me.
Ok I've formed a view of what I think you are by what you reflect in your posts here. Obviously, it is a personal opinion and may not be true at all. You are scared. You are very likely also a Fascist.
A frightened person who lives in a trembling, deep-seated fear that your neighbourhood - and country - will change to become 'foreign' to you; to reflect the values and way of life that immigrants from the last 50-odd years or so bring.
It may not be that you would be overtly racist towards anyone who wasn't an immigrant, i.e. you may find yourself enjoying the company of Polish and Iranian people, for example, in Poland or Iran. However, when they relocate to your country, then you despise it. It forces you to become defensive, to hate, to be a racist. It's all their fault, isn't it? The UK is supposed to be what you want it to be and nothing else.
Does it grate every nerve when you see 'foreigner's encroach upon your perfect idea of what Britain should be? How far away from being a fully paid up member of Britain First are you? Or are you already a proud member? A Fascist.
Fascists are enemies of a civilized Society, destructors who can tear down but never build.
The idea of scared / angry at my own short comings hence I want to blame foreign people - no.
I have been moderately successful so far, I don’t believe poorly educated poorly skilled immigrants with a limited grasp of English are going to take anything away from me.
As with brexit, I don’t think anybody minds the polish family at no 7, but yes I would mind if I was the only “native” family in the street. White flight is well documented still happens.
I have a passport and have left the UK before, it was horrendous foreign people everywhere !!!
Did I see or enjoy any aspects of Kenyan or Egyptian life / culture ? No, I saw the sights and the animals which is why we went. Leaving the hotel to wander around was just hassle did I enjoy the “culture” no.
Having experienced their culture Would i see any value in large scale immigration from those countries, no and after 20 pages nor does anybody else.
Europeans ?
Clearly their culture is similar to ours so there is not the huge culture issue but having poorly educated poorly skilled people coming to the UK just because they can, doesn’t work either.
The idea that “ it is all foreigners fault”.
What is their fault ? If you mean costing us a fortune and bringing all manner of social problems then yes it is their fault ( although policy has allowed and supported immigration).
If the current financial situation the country finds itself in, it is everybodies fault. We have lots of natives that are of no value to society. Bringing in thousands more has been madness and a failure.
We have bv72 pointing out that western culture is superior to some others, I agree and I see no value of importing people from these inferior cultures. The idea that our superior culture will rub off in them hasn’t worked.
The aspect here that people don’t like is that these inferior cultures and poorly educated poorly skilled types tend to come from the third world.
I have never been against highly skilled valuable immigrants.
del mar said:
but yes I would mind if I was the only “native” family in the street.
Why?del mar said:
White flight is well documented still happens.
Yet the people running away from those who are different to them, to be with "their own", then complain when others want to be with "their own". I think it's called "hypocrisy".del mar said:
I have a passport and have left the UK before, it was horrendous foreign people everywhere !!!
This is sarcasm, right?del mar said:
Europeans ?
Clearly their culture is similar to ours
Good grief. You really don't have the first clue, do you?Clearly their culture is similar to ours
del mar said:
I have never been against highly skilled valuable immigrants.
But heaven forfend they should think of themselves as your equal.Obviously people who feel our nation as been culturally enriched must feel that places like areas of Spain have also been culturally enriched by the british expat presence there and it's a better place for it?
Imagine if things were somewhat reversed, imagine a nation like Nigeria was wealthy with a generous welfare system. And few million low skilled poor british people decided to go and live there.
Now most were just your average working class Brit and got on with it and were no trouble. But when they arrived meany decided that they didn't want to really mix and integrate with the native population and decided to live all together in certain areas. They continuing to wear western dress even though they knew this could possibly antagonise the locals but felt keeping their local customers was more important and had a right to do so, so did. Also deciding to build churches and hundreds of pubs and so on in these areas so they could live in a similar way to how they did in the UK.
As most are low skilled only 1 in 5 adults would have full time employment and the rest would relied on welfare at large cost to the Nigerian nation. They also would be 3 times more likely than the native population to be involved in the justice system and be imprisoned. And every now and then one nut job from this community would go out on a terrorist rampage and kill a few people because they decided that they hated everything about the Nigerian culture and people.
And if any of the native Nigerian population dared to question this policy of allowing millions on low skilled british people in. They would be instantly be called a racist bigot for even questioning it. And be told it is all worth it for the cultural enrichment all these brits have brought to Nigeria, "just think of the fish and chips and cottage pies we can now all enjoy" they would say and the small minority that are doctors and nurses.
It just sounds mad and you would have thought that no sensible nation on earth would be ok with it, well apart from us in the west it seems.
Imagine if things were somewhat reversed, imagine a nation like Nigeria was wealthy with a generous welfare system. And few million low skilled poor british people decided to go and live there.
Now most were just your average working class Brit and got on with it and were no trouble. But when they arrived meany decided that they didn't want to really mix and integrate with the native population and decided to live all together in certain areas. They continuing to wear western dress even though they knew this could possibly antagonise the locals but felt keeping their local customers was more important and had a right to do so, so did. Also deciding to build churches and hundreds of pubs and so on in these areas so they could live in a similar way to how they did in the UK.
As most are low skilled only 1 in 5 adults would have full time employment and the rest would relied on welfare at large cost to the Nigerian nation. They also would be 3 times more likely than the native population to be involved in the justice system and be imprisoned. And every now and then one nut job from this community would go out on a terrorist rampage and kill a few people because they decided that they hated everything about the Nigerian culture and people.
And if any of the native Nigerian population dared to question this policy of allowing millions on low skilled british people in. They would be instantly be called a racist bigot for even questioning it. And be told it is all worth it for the cultural enrichment all these brits have brought to Nigeria, "just think of the fish and chips and cottage pies we can now all enjoy" they would say and the small minority that are doctors and nurses.
It just sounds mad and you would have thought that no sensible nation on earth would be ok with it, well apart from us in the west it seems.
Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 23 April 02:10
You're still arguing about immigration.
This thread is notionally about multiculturalism, which at it simplest is saying that immigrants don't have to completely abandon their ethnic and cultural identity when they come to a new country.
New York is full of people who see themselves as Irish-American, Jewish-American, Italian-American, etc. They have kept and celebrate a lot of their original culture, but are all Americans.
This thread is notionally about multiculturalism, which at it simplest is saying that immigrants don't have to completely abandon their ethnic and cultural identity when they come to a new country.
New York is full of people who see themselves as Irish-American, Jewish-American, Italian-American, etc. They have kept and celebrate a lot of their original culture, but are all Americans.
Fort Jefferson said:
Countdown said:
TTwiggy said:
Fort Jefferson said:
If multiculturalism works, why do we need laws to enforce it?
What laws would they be then?Assuming you're not not talking rubbish please feel free to enlighten me.
Alpinestars said:
Quite obvious and a good example of the dangers of multiculturalism. The article admits that people naturally tend to gravitate towards similar social in groups. And this isolation can cause issues and problems and ultimately conflict with other in groups. Its goes on to say that integration and cooperation of these groups is ideally the best opinion.
Multiculturalism is complete opposite of this its a celebration and encouragement of separate in groups.
We have always discovered and used new ideas and ways of doing things from other cultures. Its about taking the good ideas and leaving the bad ones.
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