Multiculturalsim

[grumbledoak]

bhstewie said:

grumbledoak said:

First hit:

multiculturalism ?
n.
the doctrine that several different cultures (rather than one national culture) can coexist peacefully and equitably in a single country

Quite, which isn't what you implied it to mean unless I completely misunderstood you in which case I apologise.

I'd say that's mostly the case in the UK, obviously not always.

While we do have many well integrated immigrants that is not multiculturalism - that is integration. Where we most clearly have several different cultures living side-by-side is in the various laughingly-called 'stans. They are ghettos. And surveys show these people are very likely to want and believe that their culture and laws are superior and will prevail. Peaceful co-existence it is not. Future civil war seems more likely; it is certainly the history of Islamic states from Morocco to Indonesia.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Countdown said:

del mar said:

So you using that as an answer is ok, but me using it isn't ?


Most of us have done it in our younger days, it builds some good friendships, it ruins others. I would assume most people come out of it without any issues whatsoever, but I appreciate some wont.

I enjoyed it, my left wing friends enjoyed, is it bad no I don't think it is.

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

Did you actually read that article or just the over exaggerated head line?

Tax on alcohol brings in more than £10 billion that's still £4 billion up. Also I think most put the cost at around £4 billion when you don't listen agenda driven campaigners so £6 billion a year up. That's enough to pay for the cost of all cancer treatment within the NHS.

[ape x]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

So you using that as an answer is ok, but me using it isn't ?


Most of us have done it in our younger days, it builds some good friendships, it ruins others. I would assume most people come out of it without any issues whatsoever, but I appreciate some wont.

I enjoyed it, my left wing friends enjoyed, is it bad no I don't think it is.

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

Did you actually read that article or just the over exaggerated head line?

Tax on alcohol brings in more than £10 billion that's still £4 billion up. Also I think most put the cost at around £4 billion when you don't listen agenda driven campaigners so £6 billion a year up. That's enough to pay for the cost of all cancer treatment within the NHS.

You are correct.... now apply that logic to the money we gain from immigration to the money it costs us... I think you will find we are in profit...

[Alpinestars]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

So you using that as an answer is ok, but me using it isn't ?


Most of us have done it in our younger days, it builds some good friendships, it ruins others. I would assume most people come out of it without any issues whatsoever, but I appreciate some wont.

I enjoyed it, my left wing friends enjoyed, is it bad no I don't think it is.

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

Did you actually read that article or just the over exaggerated head line?

Tax on alcohol brings in more than £10 billion that's still £4 billion up. Also I think most put the cost at around £4 billion when you don't listen agenda driven campaigners so £6 billion a year up. That's enough to pay for the cost of all cancer treatment within the NHS.

Finally some critical thinking. Alcohol abuse/cost is not spread over all consumers. What about crime that’s as a result of alcohol?

Over half of all violent incidents.
64% of stranger violence, and 70% of violent incidents in the weekends, evenings and night are alcohol-related.
Alcohol-related crime in the UK is estimated to cost between £8bn and £13bn per year.
In 2015, there were over 8,000 casualties of drink driving accidents in the UK in 2013, including 220 fatalities and 1,160 serious injuries etc.

And add drugs to that - and you have the biggest cause of crimes in the UK by a long long way.

You still haven’t been able to address the sexy dress/hijab conundrum?

[Alpinestars]

TTwitty said:

He hasn't,sips Pimm's in the garden of his ivory tower..

Looking down at ttty’s who can’t think up original names. Which banned poster are you?

[Not-The-Messiah]

Alpinestars said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Countdown said:

del mar said:

So you using that as an answer is ok, but me using it isn't ?


Most of us have done it in our younger days, it builds some good friendships, it ruins others. I would assume most people come out of it without any issues whatsoever, but I appreciate some wont.

I enjoyed it, my left wing friends enjoyed, is it bad no I don't think it is.

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

Did you actually read that article or just the over exaggerated head line?

Tax on alcohol brings in more than £10 billion that's still £4 billion up. Also I think most put the cost at around £4 billion when you don't listen agenda driven campaigners so £6 billion a year up. That's enough to pay for the cost of all cancer treatment within the NHS.

Finally some critical thinking. Alcohol abuse/cost is not spread over all consumers. What about crime that’s as a result of alcohol?

Over half of all violent incidents.
64% of stranger violence, and 70% of violent incidents in the weekends, evenings and night are alcohol-related.
Alcohol-related crime in the UK is estimated to cost between £8bn and £13bn per year.
In 2015, there were over 8,000 casualties of drink driving accidents in the UK in 2013, including 220 fatalities and 1,160 serious injuries etc.

And add drugs to that - and you have the biggest cause of crimes in the UK by a long long way.

You still haven’t been able to address the sexy dress/hijab conundrum?

I assume you are just using alcohol as an example and are perfectly happy with current laws and availability of it?

[anonymous-user]

grumbledoak said:

That is exactly what multiculturalism is - immigrant groups living separate lives, keeping all aspects of their prior lives unchanged. You are, seemingly without irony, attempting to redefine the spin word for ghettos.

That's only true if one agrees with your newly invented definition of multiculturalism.

[del mar]

Countdown said:

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

There was no issue answering the question.

The mail again !! I am sure if I quoted that you would be pointing out what right wing nonsense it is.
That said reading the article;

Could cost £6b a year, which includes direct and indirect costs - maybe it does.

The article finishes by saying the drinks industry provides £11.5b in vat and duty.

So are you actually saying that Our drinking culture actually provides £5.5b of income to the treasury ?

On the contrary non eu migrants costs the economy £10-15b a year in fiscal costs let alone social and cultural issues.

To address the drinking issue is a good thing, to even mention the cost of immigration / multiculturalism makes you racist ?

[Not-The-Messiah]

Alpinestars said:

You still haven’t been able to address the sexy dress/hijab conundrum?

I've not because in not sure what I actually said and can't be bothered going through my posts to find out.

But what I think you are referring to is my opinion that the girls at the PC club after being asked to wear revealing dress at a male only event were most will be intoxicated shouldn't have been so shocked in receiving unwanted attention. I'm sure I made it clear that this doesn't excuse the men doing it. But life is about taking rational decisions based on the fact that there will always be good and bad around us so any sensible person should make choices and decisions to mitigate this.

Now I don't really understand this link with the hijab you keep making is. I don't remember ever saying the girls at the PC club never should be stopped from wearing what they want the exact opposite in fact.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 23 April 20:24

[del mar]

Gloria Slap said:

del mar said:

...."these inferior cultures"....

Racism

noun

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

That's pretty much textbook racism then.

But of course the word racism is always being used incorrectly here - at least in the minds of some here.

Edited by Gloria Slap on Monday 23 April 18:37

No.

Breadvan, who I believe is a barrister and would assume he knows about the law and terminology said....

Western culture is superior to some others, we should not be shy about saying so.

If western culture is superior, that means some must be inferior.

His point was in relation to gender equality.

Nobody is saying whites are better than blacks, we are talking about culture.

[del mar]

ape x said:

Del Mar i'd like your answer as to why the ratio of prison population to the 'group' makes any difference how you should treat that group as a whole...

Anyone have any stats on Brits representation in foreign prisons is? Like say in Thailand?

It doesn’t, I agreed with you 1 black criminal doesn’t make all blacks criminals.

I agree that the percentages are small, but almost all of our migrants groups are over represented in the prison system.

I don’t believe you can split multiculturalism and immigration, they are linked. The immigrants brought the culture.

To asses whether immigration / multiculturalism has worked you have to look at all aspects the good and the bad. Importing a disproportionate amount of criminals doesn’t appear to have been a positive benefit.

Thailand- no idea. If they want to import all our pedos then that is up to them, hell I would even support making a modest contribution for everyone they take.

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

Finally some critical thinking. Alcohol abuse/cost is not spread over all consumers. What about crime that’s as a result of alcohol?

Over half of all violent incidents.
64% of stranger violence, and 70% of violent incidents in the weekends, evenings and night are alcohol-related.
Alcohol-related crime in the UK is estimated to cost between £8bn and £13bn per year.
In 2015, there were over 8,000 casualties of drink driving accidents in the UK in 2013, including 220 fatalities and 1,160 serious injuries etc.

And add drugs to that - and you have the biggest cause of crimes in the UK by a long long way.

You still haven’t been able to address the sexy dress/hijab conundrum?

Alcohol and drug abuse is a huge problem.

Our drinking culture is the weekend binge.

The numbers above are for all alcohol related costs, some will relate to binge drinking some won’t. Having 3 beers after a bad day crashing and causing death is atrocious behaviour, but needn’t be as a result of our binge culture.

Some binge drinkers will go on to be alcoholics, but not all will. I am not, but was happy to go out and get drunk at the weekend.

Alcoholism is not our culture, Most countries in the world have a problem with alcohol abuse it is not specific to us. Google suggest it is becoming an issue in Pakistan of all places ....

Drug taking is not really a UK “culture” it is a worldwide issue.

[hoagypubdog]

Alpinestars said:

Looking down at ttty’s who can’t think up original names. Which banned poster are you?

Unlike your carefully thought up name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpinestars

[Alpinestars]

hoagypubdog said:

Alpinestars said:

Looking down at ttty’s who can’t think up original names. Which banned poster are you?

Unlike your carefully thought up name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpinestars

That's exactly where it came from. I like my bikes. Hope that's ok.

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

Alcohol and drug abuse is a huge problem.

Our drinking culture is the weekend binge.

The numbers above are for all alcohol related costs, some will relate to binge drinking some won’t. Having 3 beers after a bad day crashing and causing death is atrocious behaviour, but needn’t be as a result of our binge culture.

Some binge drinkers will go on to be alcoholics, but not all will. I am not, but was happy to go out and get drunk at the weekend.

Alcoholism is not our culture, Most countries in the world have a problem with alcohol abuse it is not specific to us. Google suggest it is becoming an issue in Pakistan of all places ....

Drug taking is not really a UK “culture” it is a worldwide issue.

What would you say is not British culture? The bits you don't like? The bits that are unique to immigrants?

And what are the things that make our culture so wonderful?

[del mar]

Alpinestars said:

What would you say is not British culture? The bits you don't like? The bits that are unique to immigrants?

Large family size in Asian families and the way they look after their elderly. We have lost that, and over time as their family sizes shrink so will they.
I think This is a positive cultural trait that is very alien to us now.

I said this several pages ago, and is the only cultural benefit I could come up with.

There are lots of negative little quirks they have brought with them.

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

Alpinestars said:

What would you say is not British culture? The bits you don't like? The bits that are unique to immigrants?

Large family size in Asian families and the way they look after their elderly. We have lost that, and over time as their family sizes shrink so will they.
I think This is a positive cultural trait that is very alien to us now.

I said this several pages ago, and is the only cultural benefit I could come up with.

There are lots of negative little quirks they have brought with them.

Care to name them? Unique ones, because we've moved from fiscal ones to unique ones now.

[rscott]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No but del mar appears to be suggesting the only positive is that Asians with large families tend to look after their relatives.

[rscott]

del mar said:

Countdown said:

Alcohol abuse costing Britain £6bn a year

There was no issue answering the question.

The mail again !! I am sure if I quoted that you would be pointing out what right wing nonsense it is.
That said reading the article;

Could cost £6b a year, which includes direct and indirect costs - maybe it does.

The article finishes by saying the drinks industry provides £11.5b in vat and duty.

So are you actually saying that Our drinking culture actually provides £5.5b of income to the treasury ?

On the contrary non eu migrants costs the economy £10-15b a year in fiscal costs let alone social and cultural issues.

To address the drinking issue is a good thing, to even mention the cost of immigration / multiculturalism makes you racist ?

A figure which isn't broken down at a by country, yet you somehow have decided that those of Asian origin (especially Pakistani) are the biggest drain on our finances.

[ATG]

del mar said:

So you using that as an answer is ok, but me using it isn't ?


Most of us have done it in our younger days, it builds some good friendships, it ruins others. I would assume most people come out of it without any issues whatsoever, but I appreciate some wont.

I enjoyed it, my left wing friends enjoyed, is it bad no I don't think it is.

Are you telling me you have never gone out on a weekend and got drunk ?

You clueless moron