Multiculturalsim
Discussion
del mar said:
s1962a said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5643655/Sw...
Are these peados still part of the same culture you come from then Del Mar? Or do they recounce their right to be anything wholesome and British when they go and do stuff like this?
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.Are these peados still part of the same culture you come from then Del Mar? Or do they recounce their right to be anything wholesome and British when they go and do stuff like this?
Every country in the world suffers from it.
If you already did then i take it back...
del mar said:
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.
Every country in the world suffers from it.
So lemme get this straight...Every country in the world suffers from it.
Whenever anybody who is of a national origin other than British does something wrong, it's a failure of multi-culturalism.
Whenever anybody who is of British origin does something wrong, it's nothing to do with their cultural origin.
Anything desirable of non-British origin is a triumph of integration, nothing to do with multi-culturalism.
It's almost as if you're working back from a predetermined conclusion...
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.
Every country in the world suffers from it.
So lemme get this straight...Every country in the world suffers from it.
Whenever anybody who is of a national origin other than British does something wrong, it's a failure of multi-culturalism.
Whenever anybody who is of British origin does something wrong, it's nothing to do with their cultural origin.
Anything desirable of non-British origin is a triumph of integration, nothing to do with multi-culturalism.
It's almost as if you're working back from a predetermined conclusion...
Countdown said:
del mar said:
Give me positive ones.
I appear to be the only person to come with a positive cultural influence and I think it has failed.
Any country that regularly appears in the "Top 10 worst places to be a Woman" is unlikely to offer us any cultural benefits - although stoning for adultery would reduce divorce rates...
Worst countries to be Gay are nearly identical.
My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?
Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.
When you think about it, It is actually quite a stupid question to ask. Migrants bring some or all parts of their culture, but it's not something that they are offering or the host country demands. There's no immigration application form that sets out what an immigrant's cultural requirements are. So the correct response to somebody asking "what cultural benefits do you bring?" would be "Go shove an aubergine up your arrse".I appear to be the only person to come with a positive cultural influence and I think it has failed.
Any country that regularly appears in the "Top 10 worst places to be a Woman" is unlikely to offer us any cultural benefits - although stoning for adultery would reduce divorce rates...
Worst countries to be Gay are nearly identical.
My Turkish community in North London, for the third time of asking (anybody not yourself) what cultural benefits have they brought to the wider UK society ?
Even Poland (yes it Eu), we all love the poles, but what cultural benefits have they brought to the UK, they are the most represented EU country in our Prison Service.
However to answer it (and this has already been said before) different cultures bring different things - food, music, language, clothes, religion. Some aspects you might like, others you might not but there is no obligation on immigrants to adapt their culture solely for your benefit. You might argue that actually immigrant culture dilutes your own local culture but that suggests a weakness in your culture rather than any shortcoming in theirs.
It was St George's day yesterday and yet I hardly heard anything on the news. When we were kids my local Scout Group would join up with others on SGD for a march but I don't see anything like that happening nowadays. However St Patrick's Day seems to go from strength to strength. Instead of moaning about other cultures I'd suggest getting off your arse and doing something to promote them.
del mar said:
s1962a said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5643655/Sw...
Are these peados still part of the same culture you come from then Del Mar? Or do they recounce their right to be anything wholesome and British when they go and do stuff like this?
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.Are these peados still part of the same culture you come from then Del Mar? Or do they recounce their right to be anything wholesome and British when they go and do stuff like this?
Every country in the world suffers from it.
We're still waiting for these unique positive traits of our culture.
Alpinestars said:
But you like to focus on one particular group don't you. When I raise that exact point on the gangs thread, I'm an apologist.
We're still waiting for these unique positive traits of our culture.
Yep, in Australia we've had a royal commission into child sex abuse... centred around the catholic church, the most infamous of which were the Christian Brothers orphanage which committed sex abuse against young and adolescent boys across 4 countries (Australia, Canada, Ireland and here in the UK). If I were to use Racist1 Logic(TM) I'd have to say every single white christian male is paedo. Fortunately I'm not a racist1 and separate the actions of a few bad members from the rest of the religion (OK, the catholic church did them not do themselves any favours by sheltering the accused priests, but still it does not make every single one of them a paedophile).We're still waiting for these unique positive traits of our culture.
1: The term "racist" is used colloquially to encompass all forms of ethnicity based bigotry including but not limited to racism, xenophobia and religious intollerance.
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.
Every country in the world suffers from it.
So lemme get this straight...Every country in the world suffers from it.
Whenever anybody who is of a national origin other than British does something wrong, it's a failure of multi-culturalism.
Whenever anybody who is of British origin does something wrong, it's nothing to do with their cultural origin.
Anything desirable of non-British origin is a triumph of integration, nothing to do with multi-culturalism.
It's almost as if you're working back from a predetermined conclusion...
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.
Every country in the world suffers from it.
So lemme get this straight...Every country in the world suffers from it.
Whenever anybody who is of a national origin other than British does something wrong, it's a failure of multi-culturalism.
Whenever anybody who is of British origin does something wrong, it's nothing to do with their cultural origin.
Anything desirable of non-British origin is a triumph of integration, nothing to do with multi-culturalism.
It's almost as if you're working back from a predetermined conclusion...
But when the stats show that one group is far more likely to be involved is certain activities on average then another I think you can claim one is better or worse than another.
Its like comparing football teams and saying "your team conceded some goals and scored some goals my team also conceded some goals and score some goals, and that's all that matters we are both as good as each other". When it's not its about who conceded the least and scored the most.
By the way it just an example I'm not saying cultures should be competing against each other.
Not-The-Messiah said:
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
They are still British, but sexual abuse is not a British Cultural trait.
Every country in the world suffers from it.
So lemme get this straight...Every country in the world suffers from it.
Whenever anybody who is of a national origin other than British does something wrong, it's a failure of multi-culturalism.
Whenever anybody who is of British origin does something wrong, it's nothing to do with their cultural origin.
Anything desirable of non-British origin is a triumph of integration, nothing to do with multi-culturalism.
It's almost as if you're working back from a predetermined conclusion...
But when the stats show that one group is far more likely to be involved is certain activities on average then another I think you can claim one is better or worse than another.
Its like comparing football teams and saying "your team conceded some goals and scored some goals my team also conceded some goals and score some goals, and that's all that matters we are both as good as each other". When it's not its about who conceded the least and scored the most.
By the way it just an example I'm not saying cultures should be competing against each other.
"They appear to cost us a fortune, have brought social and cultural problems with them, but we have Kebabs and Curry."
Pistonheads 2018, del mar
"...one group is far more likely to be involved is certain activities on average then another I think you can claim one is better or worse than another. "
Pistonheads 2018, Not-The-Messiah
wow.
Pistonheads 2018, del mar
"...one group is far more likely to be involved is certain activities on average then another I think you can claim one is better or worse than another. "
Pistonheads 2018, Not-The-Messiah
wow.
anonymous said:
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del mar said:
s1962a said:
The point you miss is that they are as British as anyone else born in this country. Whether they choose to be a benefit or a drain to society is down to them, but to keep drawing parallels between us and them you are somehow differentiating the Britishness of different parts of our society. If you say multicultural has failed - it's failed between our people, the British population, not between us and them. Is that difficult to accept?
I see that, but the mere concept of multiculturalism is based around immigrants of different cultures.Our recent history of immigration and multiculturalism has failed. It has provided no benefits to wider society other than general gaiety. It has cost society a fortune.
I am not suggesting we deport or send anybody anywhere, just that all we have imported are costs and problems.
anonymous said:
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Like most things in life, there are positives and negatives. Be that immigrants or the indigenous. Del boy has moved the goalposts on positive, from a fiscal measure, to a uniquely positive measure. Yet is unable to list the uniquely positive British traits.
I like to treat people as people. There are good and bad in all races and cultures. There's very little uniquely good/bad about any one of them.
del mar said:
I concede defeat.
Does that mean "at least 3 days before asking "Muslims? What have they ever done for us?del mar said:
They appear to cost us a fortune,
Whose "they"?del mar said:
have brought social and cultural problems with them,
What would they be?del mar said:
but we have Kebabs and Curry.
That's not all we have. You should broaden your palate.del mar said:
The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has courted growing anti-immigrant opinion in Germany by claiming the country's attempts to create a multicultural society have "utterly failed".
Taken from the Guardian 17/10/2010.
Perhaps you lot could point out where she is wrong.
Is our immigration policy the same as Germany's? I know they've had a significant upsurge in immigration from Syria and I don't think ours has been anywhere near as drastic. Regardless, we're not Germany. Could you provide any evidence of UK policy having "utterly failed"?Taken from the Guardian 17/10/2010.
Perhaps you lot could point out where she is wrong.
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