Multiculturalsim
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TooMany2cvs said:
anonymous said:
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So perhaps you and your family should accede to Enoch, del mar and N-t-M's desires, and go back to India...?Or, just perhaps, "unique positives" aren't actually needed.
The question is about multiculturalism and if it's been a good idea, worked and should we continued to promote it?
anonymous said:
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I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the fact that Multiculturalism is a challenge and that there have been failures and negatives. However to say it has failed overall due to some of the reasoning put forward, is weak and desperate at best and hints strongly at xenophobic traits rather than a debate focussing upon what is bad that could be fixed or improved. That said, I would not be surprised myself if either DM or NtM were not likeable in person. I come from South Africa so am very much aware of racism and have close friends who are very much so; I was openly racist in the past, still am sometimes which means I tread a very fine line with hypocrisy on occasion.
I have good friends of various Cultures and colours, from Zulu to Indian to Chinese and a host of others; my sister is married to an Indian gentleman and I worked for an exclusively - apart from me, obviously - Indian company once. I have dated Indian and Black Brazilian girls in the past. I have had Pakistani Muslim neighbours in the UK. We had our differences, we also had common ground. I didn't marry an English or South African girl, I married a Belgian. Different cultures are great. 
Invariably, we are going to notice the traits of other Cultures that we do not like as much as those we do like. Some folks however, are completely intolerant and focus only upon what they do not like and refuse to want anything other than a Country where only they and people exactly like them live. I disagree with that outlook and welcome diversity, love diversity, but then I am an extreme open-border type who would welcome complete freedom of movement around the World. Even if it means some aspects of it do raise an eyebrow from time to time. Doesn't make them wrong or me right, just different.
Saw this and feel this thread is its nature home.
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/04/23/mp-david-lamm...
The letter has a certain familiar feel, does it not?
https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/04/23/mp-david-lamm...
The letter has a certain familiar feel, does it not?
After a hearty English breakfast I have returned and withdraw my previous statement.
Actually I am on the train as motorbike is broken so have an hour to kill.
Alpine
The other thread is about grooming gangs, irrespective of colour / race. I posted a link to a white GANG in Sheffield, you post links to random individuals, who are not gangs.
I was looking for any positives at all, there are no fiscal ones so cultural and social ones may work , other than food nobody has yet come up with any.
Positives of UK culture ?
There must be some otherwise millions of people from the underdeveloped inferior cultures wouldn’t have come here. I don’t recall mass immigration from the UK to Africa or Asia.
Does there need to be huge positives ? Our culture could be average it could have huge failings, but that is a poor argument to bring in people who will bring additional cultural issues with them.
Countdown
Merkel made that speech in 2010 before Syria, funny enough she said it afterwards as well !
Cameron said it in 2012
Sarkozy has said it as well as ex pm’s of Italy Spain and Australia, that gives you 6 more racists.
Hope not hate - the most ridiculous name for an organisation ever commissioned a survey earlier this year.
They didn’t ask me so I presume they asked nice people like the 5 of you on here.
37% said multiculturalism was working 39% said it wasn’t.
They survey was only 5000 people so not a huge sample, but you can assume they did not ask people from heavy bnp / edl areas. They would have been looking /aiming for a positive bias / result but even they couldn’t get it.
Cool
I was looking out for these significant Turkish cultural benefits yesterday, but other than the scruffy kebab shop serving mrm I couldn’t see any.
Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?
Actually I am on the train as motorbike is broken so have an hour to kill.
Alpine
The other thread is about grooming gangs, irrespective of colour / race. I posted a link to a white GANG in Sheffield, you post links to random individuals, who are not gangs.
I was looking for any positives at all, there are no fiscal ones so cultural and social ones may work , other than food nobody has yet come up with any.
Positives of UK culture ?
There must be some otherwise millions of people from the underdeveloped inferior cultures wouldn’t have come here. I don’t recall mass immigration from the UK to Africa or Asia.
Does there need to be huge positives ? Our culture could be average it could have huge failings, but that is a poor argument to bring in people who will bring additional cultural issues with them.
Countdown
Merkel made that speech in 2010 before Syria, funny enough she said it afterwards as well !
Cameron said it in 2012
Sarkozy has said it as well as ex pm’s of Italy Spain and Australia, that gives you 6 more racists.
Hope not hate - the most ridiculous name for an organisation ever commissioned a survey earlier this year.
They didn’t ask me so I presume they asked nice people like the 5 of you on here.
37% said multiculturalism was working 39% said it wasn’t.
They survey was only 5000 people so not a huge sample, but you can assume they did not ask people from heavy bnp / edl areas. They would have been looking /aiming for a positive bias / result but even they couldn’t get it.
Cool
I was looking out for these significant Turkish cultural benefits yesterday, but other than the scruffy kebab shop serving mrm I couldn’t see any.
Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?
zippy3x said:
couple of pints of bitter then?
out of interest, if they started telling you that "culturally" Indians like a good old rape (a cultural slur I have heard) would you still feel the same?
India has a significant rape crisis / issue, is it a cultural issue ? It is in the press every month Maybe it is maybe it is just the same as all other countries.out of interest, if they started telling you that "culturally" Indians like a good old rape (a cultural slur I have heard) would you still feel the same?
To say there is a huge issue in India is not racist and I doubt toxic would care if somebody did say it.
The grooming gang thread seemed to conclude that there was a cultural issue with some Pakistani men, my Pakistani Muslim neighbour agrees, but she is probably as racist as me.
Nobody is saying all Indians are rapists no more than all English people are.
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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you've answered your own question - I don't think you can put a price on that.This would be the most developed countries that led the way in almost every aspect of the modern world that suddenly found themselves lost broken and useless and the only way to survive was to bring in millions a of people from the less developed world ?
I don’t buy that.
Last year I went in to Dubai with another guy from the office, he is a different colour to me !!!!! He is from Wolverhampton of all places.
Did I find the trip or do I find the office more exciting or interesting because his grandparents came from India - no. We had some beers talked about **** and spent a night in a bar full of prostitutes, as I would do with anybody else.
His ethnic background was not an issue either way, it wasn’t a positive or a negative it didn’t make anything more interesting, as an actuary he is actually a bit dull.
He does pay a lot of tax Though ...
del mar said:
After a hearty English breakfast I have returned and withdraw my previous statement.
Actually I am on the train as motorbike is broken so have an hour to kill.
Alpine
The other thread is about grooming gangs, irrespective of colour / race. I posted a link to a white GANG in Sheffield, you post links to random individuals, who are not gangs.
I was looking for any positives at all, there are no fiscal ones so cultural and social ones may work , other than food nobody has yet come up with any.
Positives of UK culture ?
There must be some otherwise millions of people from the underdeveloped inferior cultures wouldn’t have come here. I don’t recall mass immigration from the UK to Africa or Asia.
Does there need to be huge positives ? Our culture could be average it could have huge failings, but that is a poor argument to bring in people who will bring additional cultural issues with them.
You keep assuming what I've said. Nowhere have I given my view on how many and what type of immigrants we should allow into Britain. Actually I am on the train as motorbike is broken so have an hour to kill.
Alpine
The other thread is about grooming gangs, irrespective of colour / race. I posted a link to a white GANG in Sheffield, you post links to random individuals, who are not gangs.
I was looking for any positives at all, there are no fiscal ones so cultural and social ones may work , other than food nobody has yet come up with any.
Positives of UK culture ?
There must be some otherwise millions of people from the underdeveloped inferior cultures wouldn’t have come here. I don’t recall mass immigration from the UK to Africa or Asia.
Does there need to be huge positives ? Our culture could be average it could have huge failings, but that is a poor argument to bring in people who will bring additional cultural issues with them.
YOU were the one that brought fiscal benefit into the argument and then changed it to positive cultural influences, and when that didn't work, it became unique positive cultural influences. So I'm asking again - what unique positive cultural influences do we (Brits) have? In your opinion - not someone else's.
Can't you see, that when it suits your agenda, you find a bad news story, led by your racism, and apply a nice broad brush to anyone who "looks" remotely like the bad guy - all Muslims, all immigrants, all black peoples. You have little interest in the subject matter, the focus is purely on the characteristics of the perpetrator.
There are many examples of that in the threads you start and the threads you post on (and interestingly, don't post on). The consistent theme is jump on, or start threads about immigrants or Muslims, and ignore the threads on similar themes to those you start, but don't involve those you hate. Does it therefore surprise anyone that you're using the same MO on this thread, and squirming around to put together even a semi thought out argument? Unfortunately not.
Alpinestars said:
YOU were the one that brought fiscal benefit into the argument and then changed it to positive cultural influences, and when that didn't work, it became unique positive cultural influences. So I'm asking again - what unique positive cultural influences do we (Brits) have? In your opinion - not someone else's.
Tolerance? del mar said:
Last year I went in to Dubai with another guy from the office, he is a different colour to me !!!!! He is from Wolverhampton of all places.
Did I find the trip or do I find the office more exciting or interesting because his grandparents came from India - no. We had some beers talked about **** and spent a night in a bar full of prostitutes, as I would do with anybody else..
Them be dangerous activities - be careful!Did I find the trip or do I find the office more exciting or interesting because his grandparents came from India - no. We had some beers talked about **** and spent a night in a bar full of prostitutes, as I would do with anybody else..
http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/21/british-tourist-has-...
anonymous said:
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I'm surprised you had to think so hard - several people have listed various benefits of multiculturalism. Although having said that it needs a certain mindset to recognise or acknowledge those benefits. Some people are content with a diet of tripe and kidneys and don't see the need for any of that "foreign muck".Re: dilution of cultures - that's been happening since the dawn of time. "Cultures" evolve constantly, even in isolation, but more so when they mix with others. For example I know many Muslims who drink alcohol, or Asian grandparents who live in sheltered accommodation/ old people's homes. That would have been unheard of 40-50 years ago. As I mentioned before you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between my kids and any of their school friends, apart from the colour of their skin.
Re: your cousin- the world has always been a dangerous place. It's a lot LESS dangerous now that it was 50/100 years ago, and that's partially due to the spread of language, culture, and liberal values. We have "Gap Yah" kids doing things nowadays which, in days of yore, would have only been done by the likes of Scott or Shackleton.
del mar said:
This would be the most developed countries that led the way in almost every aspect of the modern world that suddenly found themselves lost broken and useless and the only way to survive was to bring in millions a of people from the less developed world ? .
Yes, Britain need labour after world war II and invited over it's British subjects from the former colonies. I bet if they knew how many people would end up here the invitation would have been more limited, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/citize...
del mar said:
Cool
I was looking out for these significant Turkish cultural benefits yesterday, but other than the scruffy kebab shop serving mrm I couldn’t see any.
Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?
Absolutely! The main one being that the more Somalis and Eritrean's we have in the UK, the more it winds people like you up which is priceless! I was looking out for these significant Turkish cultural benefits yesterday, but other than the scruffy kebab shop serving mrm I couldn’t see any.
Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?
Seriously, adopt a Somali orphan and do some good in the World instead of being a miserable, xenophobic whinger.
I think there is a clear differentiation with immigration and how that affects multiculturism.
Indians, Caribbeans etc came here as they were invited, asked to help.
Eastern Europeans, a percentage of Africans are here for money, nothing else. Some of them intend to stay, but initially it's money, nothing more.
That surely affects their attitude, their likely desire to integrate. AS it affects housing, jobs, health, education to a lesser degree.
Which then affects our society in many ways.
Then you have the refugees, who you have to accept as they are fleeing conflict and the like where they come from, that is a human need. But that also then encourages illegals, and from that the desperate situation that the Windrush generation are caught up when government try and clamp down on illegal immigrants and make sweeping decisions like they did that affect people caught in the crossfire.
Indians, Caribbeans etc came here as they were invited, asked to help.
Eastern Europeans, a percentage of Africans are here for money, nothing else. Some of them intend to stay, but initially it's money, nothing more.
That surely affects their attitude, their likely desire to integrate. AS it affects housing, jobs, health, education to a lesser degree.
Which then affects our society in many ways.
Then you have the refugees, who you have to accept as they are fleeing conflict and the like where they come from, that is a human need. But that also then encourages illegals, and from that the desperate situation that the Windrush generation are caught up when government try and clamp down on illegal immigrants and make sweeping decisions like they did that affect people caught in the crossfire.
chunder27 said:
I think there is a clear differentiation with immigration and how that affects multiculturism.
Indians, Caribbeans etc came here as they were invited, asked to help.
Eastern Europeans, a percentage of Africans are here for money, nothing else. Some of them intend to stay, but initially it's money, nothing more.
That surely affects their attitude, their likely desire to integrate. AS it affects housing, jobs, health, education to a lesser degree.
Which then affects our society in many ways.
Then you have the refugees, who you have to accept as they are fleeing conflict and the like where they come from, that is a human need. But that also then encourages illegals, and from that the desperate situation that the Windrush generation are caught up when government try and clamp down on illegal immigrants and make sweeping decisions like they did that affect people caught in the crossfire.
I don't think illegal immigration is 'multicultural' for starters... Indians, Caribbeans etc came here as they were invited, asked to help.
Eastern Europeans, a percentage of Africans are here for money, nothing else. Some of them intend to stay, but initially it's money, nothing more.
That surely affects their attitude, their likely desire to integrate. AS it affects housing, jobs, health, education to a lesser degree.
Which then affects our society in many ways.
Then you have the refugees, who you have to accept as they are fleeing conflict and the like where they come from, that is a human need. But that also then encourages illegals, and from that the desperate situation that the Windrush generation are caught up when government try and clamp down on illegal immigrants and make sweeping decisions like they did that affect people caught in the crossfire.
'Multicultural' is as an example, now finding Polish food stores, it will make some people sick and angry, to others it creates an interesting and vibrant society with plenty of different cultures and quite exciting.
I know which i'd rather aim to be and so i have simply embraced it all.
I do say this as a person whose kids go to a nursery and school with not one black or Asian face in any classes... which is odd and we say we would like them to be mixing with not just the white kids.
But that is country living for you.
There is a balance and i can see that if my children were the only white faces in a school it would cause me the opposite reaction...
ape x said:
'Multicultural' is as an example, now finding Polish food stores, it will make some people sick and angry
Can somebody explain that?There's quite a lot of shops and other businesses who I don't give my business to. Tattooists, womenswear shops, hairdressers, beauty parlours, Ford dealers. Why on earth would their existence make me "sick and angry"?
So why would anybody be "sick and angry" because they aren't the target market for a particular food shop? Do butcher's shops attract similar feelings from vegetarians? Off-licences and pubs from the tee-total? Health food shops from the lardy?
TooMany2cvs said:
ape x said:
'Multicultural' is as an example, now finding Polish food stores, it will make some people sick and angry
Can somebody explain that?There's quite a lot of shops and other businesses who I don't give my business to. Tattooists, womenswear shops, hairdressers, beauty parlours, Ford dealers. Why on earth would their existence make me "sick and angry"?
So why would anybody be "sick and angry" because they aren't the target market for a particular food shop? Do butcher's shops attract similar feelings from vegetarians? Off-licences and pubs from the tee-total? Health food shops from the lardy?
He said he likes seeing foreign shops though, and thinks it’s a sign of a vibrant society.
Those other shops you mention aren’t indicative of changes in the ethnic make up of a country, whereas shops selling food to one particular community are.
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?
I wonder how many Somalis and Eritreans have arrived here on visas, rather than as refugees...?El stovey said:
I think ale x was saying it might make a small number of racists sick and angry.
Yes, I think so, too. I was hoping del mar or N-t-M or one of their ilk might come up with a different reason, though.El stovey said:
Those other shops you mention aren’t indicative of changes in the ethnic make up of a country, whereas shops selling food to one particular community are.
Just wait until they find Chinatown...Bet they don't object half as much when the French market comes to their area.
Mothersruin said:
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?
I wonder how many Somalis and Eritreans have arrived here on visas, rather than as refugees...?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff