Multiculturalsim

[Mothersruin]

FYI - my replies have been deleted by the mods when I tried to explain the context with which I made them - so it seems there are now rules for some...

[Mothersruin]

TooMany2cvs said:

Mothersruin said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Mothersruin said:

TooMany2cvs said:

del mar said:

Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?

I wonder how many Somalis and Eritreans have arrived here on visas, rather than as refugees...?

I'd wager many many more have arrived illegally than those with visas or refugee status.

Yes, thank you for confirming your cluelessness as to how asylum works.

I know exactly how it works.

You show no sign of it.

Clue: No matter how somebody arrives in this country, the moment they apply for asylum, they are here legally until such time as that application has been finally decided.

My reply regarding context has been removed.

[Mothersruin]

TooMany2cvs said:

Mothersruin said:

Could you even find Somalia and Eritrea on a map? Do you have the first idea why nationals of those countries are pretty-much a shoe-in for refugee status?

Edited by andy.mod on Wednesday 25th April 15:03

No point in replying, my comments are now deleted by mods so there's now zero chance of a discussion regardless

It appears I can be called clueless and be accused but I can't explain myself - did you report?

Edited by Mothersruin on Wednesday 25th April 15:52

[markcoznottz]

TooMany2cvs said:

El stovey said:

I think ale x was saying it might make a small number of racists sick and angry.

Yes, I think so, too. I was hoping del mar or N-t-M or one of their ilk might come up with a different reason, though.

El stovey said:

Those other shops you mention aren’t indicative of changes in the ethnic make up of a country, whereas shops selling food to one particular community are.

Just wait until they find Chinatown...

Bet they don't object half as much when the French market comes to their area.

Mothersruin said:

TooMany2cvs said:

del mar said:

Do you have any positives for Somalian and Eritrean cultural benefits ?

I wonder how many Somalis and Eritreans have arrived here on visas, rather than as refugees...?

I'd wager many many more have arrived illegally than those with visas or refugee status.

Yes, thank you for confirming your cluelessness as to how asylum works.

The Chinese and French have integrated superbly and always do wherever it is in the world , AND have contributed a lot to our culture. Il ask you again 2cv, as you dodged the question last time , if muslims, usually of Pakistani origin/recent descent , live in thier own community, e.g. Bradford, and eat thier own food from thier own shops, speak thier own language, watch thier own to, and hide thier wives away and try (unsuccessfully so far) to take over the local schools, are they bigots?. What are they doing? Is that 'muslim' or 'Pakistani' culture? Because you take great delight in repeating that there is no such thing as 'British' culture. They are doing exactly what you say we shouldn't be doing?

[TooMany2cvs]

markcoznottz said:

What are they doing?

And I'll answer again - it'll be the same answer as every other time.

They're doing exactly the same as those who want to live in white-flight ghettos are doing.

[ape x]

TooMany2cvs said:

markcoznottz said:

What are they doing?

And I'll answer again - it'll be the same answer as every other time.

They're doing exactly the same as those who want to live in white-flight ghettos are doing.

Yep, same coin different sides.
Also not every Muslim wants to or does live in Bradford in those ways explained by markcoznottz.... and not every Muslim lives in Bradford like the ones markcoznottz describes...

If you have a narrow bigoted view of what a Muslim is then you simply are thick.
Same way if a Muslim had a narrow bigoted view that all white people are EDL, they too would in my eyes be thick...

[7795]

Late to the thread but multiculturalism has failed here and failed everywhere to varying degrees if you take the "Daily Mails" basic understanding.

If you look at the dictionary definition it has not failed.

"the presence of, or support for the presence of, several distinct cultural or ethnic groups within a society"

Human beings are like packs and will, by and large, gravitate towards their own.

[Alpinestars]

Mothersruin said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Mothersruin said:

Could you even find Somalia and Eritrea on a map? Do you have the first idea why nationals of those countries are pretty-much a shoe-in for refugee status?

Edited by andy.mod on Wednesday 25th April 15:03

No point in replying, my comments are now deleted by mods so there's now zero chance of a discussion regardless

It appears I can be called clueless and be accused but I can't explain myself - did you report?

Edited by Mothersruin on Wednesday 25th April 15:52

Why don't you try and articulate it using different words? Seems to be some persecution complex from some posters.

[Finlandia]

TooMany2cvs said:

Clue: No matter how somebody arrives in this country, the moment they apply for asylum, they are here legally until such time as that application has been finally decided.

And when their asylum application has been rejected and they are asked to leave, they remain in the country illegally, that's the way it woks in Sweden. And while illegally in the country, they can still get benefits and use the free healthcare among other things.

I truly hope that is not the case in the UK.

[ape x]

I am white English as is Del Mar, so we are to a Spaniard both white English blokes....yet we have different views on things...
The Spanish chap could rightly refer to us both as English, but if one of us punched his wife he could not then say the other person is as responsible because they are English too and it must be a cultural thing...

So why do some people do this with 'foreigners' in the UK?
And not even foreigners, British Muslims in many cases, treated as one..

Edited by ape x on Wednesday 25th April 17:12

[chunder27]

In some respects it probably is the case,mainly because the departments dealing with it are overwhelmed, the police have better things to do and the people doing it are well informed about how to stay off the grid.

But it doesn't happen in the numbers people think. I would think in a country of 60+ million, if there are 50,000 illegals here I would be amazed.

What I do know after speaking to a few people from places like Macedonia or other non EU countries is that with a bit of money it as easy as buying bread to buy a fake EU passport.

[TooMany2cvs]

chunder27 said:

What I do know after speaking to a few people from places like Macedonia or other non EU countries is that with a bit of money it as easy as buying bread to buy a fake EU passport.

Yes, dear. Of course it is, dear.

[markcoznottz]

TooMany2cvs said:

markcoznottz said:

What are they doing?

And I'll answer again - it'll be the same answer as every other time.

They're doing exactly the same as those who want to live in white-flight ghettos are doing.

I think you are confused, white flight is normally to rural areas away from 'ghettos'. To live with people of a similar culture . I see you never directly answered if the muslims in question are 'bigots' or not, but then I forgot only white people can be. You moved into the whole area of moderate/radical Muslim. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim you are either in or out.

[TooMany2cvs]

markcoznottz said:

I think you are confused, white flight is normally to rural areas away from 'ghettos'. To live with people of a similar culture

Yes, exactly.

markcoznottz said:

I see you never directly answered if the muslims in question are 'bigots' or not, but then I forgot only white people can be.

You may wish to re-read my answer.

markcoznottz said:

You moved into the whole area of moderate/radical Muslim.

You may wish to re-read the post you're ascribing to me.

markcoznottz said:

There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim you are either in or out.

Don't be so pathetic.

[markcoznottz]

ape x said:

TooMany2cvs said:

markcoznottz said:

What are they doing?

And I'll answer again - it'll be the same answer as every other time.

They're doing exactly the same as those who want to live in white-flight ghettos are doing.

Yep, same coin different sides.
Also not every Muslim wants to or does live in Bradford in those ways explained by markcoznottz.... and not every Muslim lives in Bradford like the ones markcoznottz describes...

If you have a narrow bigoted view of what a Muslim is then you simply are thick.
Same way if a Muslim had a narrow bigoted view that all white people are EDL, they too would in my eyes be thick...

So driving through Bradford and seeing one of the longest established Muslim communities and basing a judgement of uk muslims from that is bigoted????
Are you actually saying that the lifestyle they lead is as proportionally representative of the Muslim faith as the EDL is of British white people? Because that is exactly what you said. The EDL represents a tiny tiny fraction of normal uk residents. Most people until a few years ago might never have heard of them.

I'd love to be a left winger, logic just goes out the window. You are a bigot if you even think a bigoted Muslim could exist.

[TooMany2cvs]

Finlandia said:

And when their asylum application has been rejected and they are asked to leave, they remain in the country illegally, that's the way it woks in Sweden.

Most of those who fail in their asylum claims are deported from Sweden.

Finlandia said:

And while illegally in the country, they can still get benefits and use the free healthcare among other things.

I truly hope that is not the case in the UK.

It isn't. I strongly suspect it isn't in Sweden, either.

[NickCQ]

TooMany2cvs said:

Finlandia said:

And while illegally in the country, they can still get benefits and use the free healthcare among other things.

I truly hope that is not the case in the UK.

It isn't. I strongly suspect it isn't in Sweden, either.

Wasn't there a fuss about this in the news recently?
A&E don't check ID, so at least some NHS services are available to anyone in the country (legally or otherwise).

[del mar]

TooMany2cvs said:

del mar said:

Somalia was not in the commonwealth and it is a long way from the UK, how we ended up with any is a mystery to me.

So you'd be quite happy for the UK to leave the UN?

If we don’t take them other countries might call us names !!

[Finlandia]

TooMany2cvs said:

Finlandia said:

And when their asylum application has been rejected and they are asked to leave, they remain in the country illegally, that's the way it woks in Sweden.

Most of those who fail in their asylum claims are deported from Sweden.

Finlandia said:

And while illegally in the country, they can still get benefits and use the free healthcare among other things.

I truly hope that is not the case in the UK.

It isn't. I strongly suspect it isn't in Sweden, either.

Most of the failed asylum seekers are not deported, for the simple reason that generally you are meant to leave by your own means, very few are actually deported by officials. No one knows exactly how many illegals there are at this moment, estimates range from 10,000 to 30-50,000 or more.
At the moment there is a raging political debate going on about 9,000 Afghans who have had their asylum applications rejected, but are still illegally in the country. I think the last turn is that they are being pardoned and allowed to stay, now that the Centre party has voted for it along with the left flank.


As a paperless person (that is what the illegals are called) in Sweden, you have the same right to medical/healthcare and dental care as a resident in Sweden. If you are a paperless person under the age of 18, you have the right to an education as well.

At the moment I don't think there are any age tests being carried out, that is another hot potato topic in the politics, to trust the word of the asylum seeker or to test for the actual age. As it stands now you can claim to be 17 and get everything for free, even if you are a paperless 30 year old.

[del mar]

ape x said:

The fact Solmalians are here, how does that make you feel?

Shaking with rage - I can barely type !