Multiculturalsim
Discussion
captain_cynic said:
This is one thing Australia and the UK has really done well, our societies are geared to letting people integrate. Of course it happens over time and I mean generations for the process to complete. What we don't do and is quite different to Americans, is create ghettos. What ethnicity you are does not dictate where you live. For integration to occur we need to let cultures mix.
Wow, how did you form that opinion of the UK?https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/may...
Boydie88 said:
Eric Mc said:
Boydie88 said:
Eric Mc said:
The opposite of "multi culture" is "mono culture". If the OP is in favour of a mono culture, does he have a specific mono culture in mind?
If everything is multi cultural, you'll end up with no culture at all. Some cultures are better than others.Do you, by any chance, consider yourself to be part of this "better" culture?
The fact that they all come here suggests we have something good going for us ?
Mark300zx said:
I think what the poster was getting at is that the lack of social mobility is based on poverty, rather than the fact of their ethnicity.It'd definitely true that certain ethnicities are more likely to be poor.
Can we list any cultural benefits of having;
Pakistanis
Chinese
Australians
French
Living in the country ?
I have been to Turkey a couple of times, I enjoyed it, ate their food saw their historic sights.
Do I see or does the country get any benefit from a Turkish Community living in North London ?
Pakistanis
Chinese
Australians
French
Living in the country ?
I have been to Turkey a couple of times, I enjoyed it, ate their food saw their historic sights.
Do I see or does the country get any benefit from a Turkish Community living in North London ?
desolate said:
I think what the poster was getting at is that the lack of social mobility is based on poverty, rather than the fact of their ethnicity.
It'd definitely true that certain ethnicities are more likely to be poor.
The majority of ethnic minorities are poor, therefore their social mobility will be poor.It'd definitely true that certain ethnicities are more likely to be poor.
del mar said:
Can we list any cultural benefits of having;
Pakistanis
Chinese
Australians
French
Living in the country ?
I have been to Turkey a couple of times, I enjoyed it, ate their food saw their historic sights.
Do I see or does the country get any benefit from a Turkish Community living in North London ?
Does it matter?Pakistanis
Chinese
Australians
French
Living in the country ?
I have been to Turkey a couple of times, I enjoyed it, ate their food saw their historic sights.
Do I see or does the country get any benefit from a Turkish Community living in North London ?
How are they affecting you?
desolate said:
I think what the poster was getting at is that the lack of social mobility is based on poverty, rather than the fact of their ethnicity.
This, thank you. You can live where ever you can afford regardless of where you're from. Whilst not quite completely egalitarian, it's really the best any society based on scarcity can manage and we're a long way from a society that isn't based on scarcity. The point is, poor white and blacks will live in the same areas, to boil it down to a simple explanation.
captain_cynic said:
This, thank you. You can live where ever you can afford regardless of where you're from. Whilst not quite completely egalitarian, it's really the best any society based on scarcity can manage and we're a long way from a society that isn't based on scarcity.
The point is, poor white and blacks will live in the same areas, to boil it down to a simple explanation.
LOL fantastic definition of integration The point is, poor white and blacks will live in the same areas, to boil it down to a simple explanation.
del mar said:
It was the point of the thread
"has it failed" ?
If there are no benefits, I would assume it has failed.
They aren't, unless they are financial burden to the UK, but in our Multi cultural society do they bring any benefits.
Nope, the point of the thread is that the OP didn't understand what multiculturalism is."has it failed" ?
If there are no benefits, I would assume it has failed.
They aren't, unless they are financial burden to the UK, but in our Multi cultural society do they bring any benefits.
And as long as it keeps people like you upset, there's a huge upside to it.
But as for it failing, it hasn't failed if there are no benefits, it only fails if a monoculture takes over and that has never occurred in the history of the United Kingdom (or most of England for that matter).
Mark300zx said:
LOL fantastic definition of integration.
You need one of these.http://www.oed.com/
Because you dont know the meaning of the words you're using.
captain_cynic said:
Nope, the point of the thread is that the OP didn't understand what multiculturalism is.
And as long as it keeps people like you upset, there's a huge upside to it.
But as for it failing, it hasn't failed if there are no benefits, it only fails if a monoculture takes over and that has never occurred in the history of the United Kingdom (or most of England for that matter).
"the simple question is - has it failed in the UK? (I can't see an option to set this as a poll)."And as long as it keeps people like you upset, there's a huge upside to it.
But as for it failing, it hasn't failed if there are no benefits, it only fails if a monoculture takes over and that has never occurred in the history of the United Kingdom (or most of England for that matter).
del mar said:
It was the point of the thread
"has it failed" ?
If there are no benefits, I would assume it has failed.
They aren't, unless they are financial burden to the UK, but in our Multi cultural society do they bring any benefits.
If this country fails it won't be because of multiculturalism, it will due to a cataclysmic financial event. Or a war."has it failed" ?
If there are no benefits, I would assume it has failed.
They aren't, unless they are financial burden to the UK, but in our Multi cultural society do they bring any benefits.
I like living in a multicultural country. It adds to the general gaiety of life.
I appreciate you don't like it. That's up to you. It's a good time to be against multiculturalism as there are quite a few mainstream political operators who agree and you can express your views without having the resort to EDL/BNP etc.
captain_cynic said:
You need one of these.
http://www.oed.com/
Because you dont know the meaning of the words you're using.
Says the man struggling with basic concepts http://www.oed.com/
Because you dont know the meaning of the words you're using.
PWeston said:
<snip>The goal of multiculturalism is essentially fewer white people.
<snip>In short, multiculturalism has failed.
Multiculturalism isn't a "goal". Nobody, in Government or elsewhere, has set out to "achieve" it. It's somethihg that's happened.<snip>In short, multiculturalism has failed.
So to say whether it's failed or succeeded is a silly question. It's like saying "Have cheese and onion pies failed" or "Has Audi failed?"?
"I like having cheese and onion pies"
"We did all right when it as just steak and kidney. Why did we need cheese and onion?"
"Anyway cheese and onion pies cause obesity and they're a drain on the welfare state"
"Well, so do steak and kidney pies!"
"Yes, but if we have steak and kidney why do we need cheese and onion? We don't NEED cheese and onion in our country"
"Name me ONE single positive thing that Cheese and Onion pies contribute to this country"
"Why don't we just choose which pies can and can't be imported? I never voted for mass uncontrolled import of pies"
Edited by Countdown on Wednesday 18th April 14:00
Eric Mc said:
Ghetto mentality is always the main issue. It does eventually fade out - although often the ghetto is filled up with a new ethnic group as the old inhabitants move out. It takes a few generations for this to happen.
I wouldn't call that a Ghetto, it's natural for people of similar cultures (tastes or backgrounds) to congregate, that's just human nature.Ghetto's are places where it is really difficult escape, you were born into them, your children will be born into them simply because you have one ethnic trait that the rest of the society wants to keep bottled up. The US has this with Hispanic and Black ghettos, but it's not something we really have in the UK. There might be one or two examples (that demonstrate the rule) but by and large they don't exist here.
The closest we have would be in Northern Ireland where there are somewhat clear catholic and protestant areas and we're barely 20 years out of a near civil war between those groups.
desolate said:
If this country fails it won't be because of multiculturalism, it will due to a cataclysmic financial event. Or a war.
I like living in a multicultural country. It adds to the general gaiety of life.
I appreciate you don't like it. That's up to you. It's a good time to be against multiculturalism as there are quite a few mainstream political operators who agree and you can express your views without having the resort to EDL/BNP etc.
The OP's question wasn't if this country fails, it was has multiculturalism failed.I like living in a multicultural country. It adds to the general gaiety of life.
I appreciate you don't like it. That's up to you. It's a good time to be against multiculturalism as there are quite a few mainstream political operators who agree and you can express your views without having the resort to EDL/BNP etc.
Other than general gaiety are there any other benefits ?
Triumph Man said:
Any culture that feels it normal to s
t whilst hovering/standing/squatting over a toilet rather than using it properly probably isn't a brilliant one...
In a number of countries, that's how toilets work : you don't plant your bum on a germy seat that's had dozens of other bums on it, but squat over the ground - level toilet, without touching it.t whilst hovering/standing/squatting over a toilet rather than using it properly probably isn't a brilliant one... It seems odd the first time you use one, but it works just fine.
Countdown said:
Multiculturalism isn't a "goal". Nobody, in Government or elsewhere, has set out to "achieve" it. It's somethihg that's happened.
So to say whether it's failed or succeeded is a silly question. It's like saying "Have cheese and onion pies failed" or "Has Audi failed?"?
This, and a good analogy.So to say whether it's failed or succeeded is a silly question. It's like saying "Have cheese and onion pies failed" or "Has Audi failed?"?
How do we know if Audi has failed?
The management has put the company into liquidation. When talking about nations, we're talking about entire countries falling apart and dividing on ethnic lines
Has the UK descended into city states based on monocultures? Have the Cornish declared independence and started fighting the Welsh? If not, multiculturalism is working, has done since we all agreed to join one monarch.
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