Multiculturalsim
Discussion
del mar said:
The OP's question wasn't if this country fails, it was has multiculturalism failed.
Other than general gaiety are there any other benefits ?
OK - to the OP, no it hasn't/Other than general gaiety are there any other benefits ?
to you - other than generally adding to the gaiety of life, what other benefit does their need to be? Surely that's all that matters.
captain_cynic said:
This, and a good analogy.
How do we know if Audi has failed?
The management has put the company into liquidation. When talking about nations, we're talking about entire countries falling apart and dividing on ethnic lines
Has the UK descended into city states based on monocultures? Have the Cornish declared independence and started fighting the Welsh? If not, multiculturalism is working, has done since we all agreed to join one monarch.
i was looking at it from a slightly different standpoint.How do we know if Audi has failed?
The management has put the company into liquidation. When talking about nations, we're talking about entire countries falling apart and dividing on ethnic lines
Has the UK descended into city states based on monocultures? Have the Cornish declared independence and started fighting the Welsh? If not, multiculturalism is working, has done since we all agreed to join one monarch.
There's a perception in some quarters that Audi tend to attract a higher than average proportion of knobbers. Does the behaviour of some Audi drivers mean that "Audi has failed"? Should we therefore ban Audis? What benefits do "Audi" bring to our Country that can't be provided by, say, Triumph, or Austin, or British Leyland? Ever since we permitted the import of foreign cars we've hastened the demise of our once-proud Nation........
Countdown said:
Multiculturalism isn't a "goal". Nobody, in Government or elsewhere, has set out to "achieve" it. It's somethihg that's happened.
So to say whether it's failed or succeeded is a silly question. It's like saying "Have cheese and onion pies failed" or "Has Audi failed?"?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.htmlSo to say whether it's failed or succeeded is a silly question. It's like saying "Have cheese and onion pies failed" or "Has Audi failed?"?
If he is to be believed Labour wanted it, 2.3m more people in 9 years.
Del - are you in a political party?
You should join one if not.
Old School Labour are anti immigration, so with Corbyn you have a chance.
Maybe Britain First is more your cup of tea, but they have literally f
k all chance of making it. So if you want to curb immigration - vote Corbyn. You know it makes sense.
You should join one if not.
Old School Labour are anti immigration, so with Corbyn you have a chance.
Maybe Britain First is more your cup of tea, but they have literally f
k all chance of making it. So if you want to curb immigration - vote Corbyn. You know it makes sense.Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 18th April 14:16
AW111 said:
Triumph Man said:
Any culture that feels it normal to st whilst hovering/standing/squatting over a toilet rather than using it properly probably isn't a brilliant one...
In a number of countries, that's how toilets work : you don't plant your bum on a germy seat that's had dozens of other bums on it, but squat over the ground - level toilet, without touching it.t whilst hovering/standing/squatting over a toilet rather than using it properly probably isn't a brilliant one... It seems odd the first time you use one, but it works just fine.
captain_cynic said:
This, and a good analogy.
How do we know if Audi has failed?
The management has put the company into liquidation. When talking about nations, we're talking about entire countries falling apart and dividing on ethnic lines
Has the UK descended into city states based on monocultures? Have the Cornish declared independence and started fighting the Welsh? If not, multiculturalism is working, has done since we all agreed to join one monarch.
You can tell which of us are at lunch !!How do we know if Audi has failed?
The management has put the company into liquidation. When talking about nations, we're talking about entire countries falling apart and dividing on ethnic lines
Has the UK descended into city states based on monocultures? Have the Cornish declared independence and started fighting the Welsh? If not, multiculturalism is working, has done since we all agreed to join one monarch.
There are some small towns and significant parts of our cities that I would say have descended into Monocultures.
Savile Town part of Dewsbury 99% Muslim, it is small but the idea of monocultures is there, as you see in several large northern towns, very distinct areas which are culturally different.
The parts of Multiculturalism that have worked are where "similar" cultures have come together, I appreciate an Example but the Cornish and Welsh probably have more in common with each other than Somalians, Paksitanis or the French.
desolate said:
Del - are you in a political party?
You should join one if not.
Old School Labour are anti immigration, so with Corbyn you have a chance.
Maybe Britain's first is more your cup of tea, but that have literally fk all chance of making it. So if you want to curb immigration - vote Corbyn. You know it makes sense.
I will apply for membership this afternoon !You should join one if not.
Old School Labour are anti immigration, so with Corbyn you have a chance.
Maybe Britain's first is more your cup of tea, but that have literally f
k all chance of making it. So if you want to curb immigration - vote Corbyn. You know it makes sense.del mar said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-or...
If he is to be believed Labour wanted it, 2.3m more people in 9 years.
So multiculturalism started in 1997? My granddad arrived here in 1952....If he is to be believed Labour wanted it, 2.3m more people in 9 years.
Countdown said:
del mar said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-or...
If he is to be believed Labour wanted it, 2.3m more people in 9 years.
So multiculturalism started in 1997? My granddad arrived here in 1952....If he is to be believed Labour wanted it, 2.3m more people in 9 years.
Those who say that Britain has always been a nation of immigrants miss that point completely. The rate of demographic change in the last 20 years far exceeds anything which has previously come to pass and therein lies the problem. Change is happening so quickly there is little chance for any proper integration of certain immigrant groups - why bother when they can establish their own enclaves and be paid for doing so?
Roman Rhodes said:
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To whomever posted about Japan and South Korea being examples of mono-culturalism - I assume you've never been?
Japan has changed a huge amount in just the last 20yrs.To whomever posted about Japan and South Korea being examples of mono-culturalism - I assume you've never been?
But even now it is significantly more "mono" than the UK. Which is probably why it was mentioned.
PWeston said:
You're being willfully obtuse. Rapid large-scale state-sponsored immigration only really started after 1997. That doesn't mean anyone thinks there were no immigrants before 1997.
Erm, do you have evidence of this... because large scale immigration has been happening since we invented the steam engine and it became affordable for people to move. Hell, this was happening in the age of sail... Which is how Australia came to exist (most people who went to Australia were actually colonists). If Australia wasn't a state sponsored migration... Nothing is.
captain_cynic said:
Erm, do you have evidence of this... because large scale immigration has been happening since we invented the steam engine and it became affordable for people to move.
Hell, this was happening in the age of sail... Which is how Australia came to exist (most people who went to Australia were actually colonists). If Australia wasn't a state sponsored migration... Nothing is.
There was lots of toing and froing in much earlier times. Irish immigrants were banned from joining the London Guiilds in the 1300s.Hell, this was happening in the age of sail... Which is how Australia came to exist (most people who went to Australia were actually colonists). If Australia wasn't a state sponsored migration... Nothing is.
Eric Mc said:
captain_cynic said:
Erm, do you have evidence of this... because large scale immigration has been happening since we invented the steam engine and it became affordable for people to move.
Hell, this was happening in the age of sail... Which is how Australia came to exist (most people who went to Australia were actually colonists). If Australia wasn't a state sponsored migration... Nothing is.
There was lots of toing and froing in much earlier times. Irish immigrants were banned from joining the London Guiilds in the 1300s.Hell, this was happening in the age of sail... Which is how Australia came to exist (most people who went to Australia were actually colonists). If Australia wasn't a state sponsored migration... Nothing is.
captain_cynic said:
desolate said:
I think what the poster was getting at is that the lack of social mobility is based on poverty, rather than the fact of their ethnicity.
This, thank you. You can live where ever you can afford regardless of where you're from. Whilst not quite completely egalitarian, it's really the best any society based on scarcity can manage and we're a long way from a society that isn't based on scarcity. The point is, poor white and blacks will live in the same areas, to boil it down to a simple explanation.
There very much are what could be termed "ghettos" in this country just as there are in the US.
Murph7355 said:
captain_cynic said:
desolate said:
I think what the poster was getting at is that the lack of social mobility is based on poverty, rather than the fact of their ethnicity.
This, thank you. You can live where ever you can afford regardless of where you're from. Whilst not quite completely egalitarian, it's really the best any society based on scarcity can manage and we're a long way from a society that isn't based on scarcity. The point is, poor white and blacks will live in the same areas, to boil it down to a simple explanation.
There very much are what could be termed "ghettos" in this country just as there are in the US.
I'm sure you could get 2 or 3 but if it's widespread, 100 should be easy. The fact of the matter is, there aren't single ethnicity quarters in most the UK's major cities.
TTwiggy said:
PWeston said:
Rapid large-scale state-sponsored immigration only really started after 1997.
I'm guessing you're not following the news, because there's a 'bit of fuss' about something coined 'Wind Rush' at the moment.captain_cynic said:
PWeston said:
You're being willfully obtuse. Rapid large-scale state-sponsored immigration only really started after 1997. That doesn't mean anyone thinks there were no immigrants before 1997.
Erm, do you have evidence of this... because large scale immigration has been happening since we invented the steam engine and it became affordable for people to move. Hell, this was happening in the age of sail... Which is how Australia came to exist (most people who went to Australia were actually colonists). If Australia wasn't a state sponsored migration... Nothing is.
P.S. Windrush was c.50,000 people.
captain_cynic said:
The UK was formed from two distinct cultures, English and Scottish so it was a multiculture from its inception. Irish and Welsh were added along the way.
I think that British culture has been improved by allowing others to enter it, we've taken the best from other cultures whilst leaving the worst parts behind.
I tend to agree with the last statement, though we do seem to get more episodes of cultures clashing of late and perhaps the worst parts not being left behind... Maybe that's just our media being more sensationalist.I think that British culture has been improved by allowing others to enter it, we've taken the best from other cultures whilst leaving the worst parts behind.
The interesting thing is, however, that I don't think this results in multiculturism... It leaves a single blended culture.
The challenges and media sensationalism come about when two cultures cannot coexist due to fundamental mutually exclusive differences.
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