"Social Media" is societal cancer
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What really killed it was social media apps on tablets and particularly on phones.
This lowered the knowledge and cost barriers to access far too low, leading to the mobs of jobless retards you see these days.
Good old trolling and argument has been there from the start of the Internet but mobs of shouty offended are a recent phenomenon.
The same sort of ignorant idiots are also ultimately to blame for the restrictions government are keen to introduce on access to sites and materials in some misguided attempt to make the world a soft fuzzy child friendly space.
This lowered the knowledge and cost barriers to access far too low, leading to the mobs of jobless retards you see these days.
Good old trolling and argument has been there from the start of the Internet but mobs of shouty offended are a recent phenomenon.
The same sort of ignorant idiots are also ultimately to blame for the restrictions government are keen to introduce on access to sites and materials in some misguided attempt to make the world a soft fuzzy child friendly space.
geeks said:
TheFlyingBanana said:
geeks said:
TheFlyingBanana said:
Jasandjules said:
And what do you think Pistonheads is, when you really break it down?
It isn't the same by any stretch of the imagination.shocka
geeks said:
Please explain how a message board isn't social media..
Ah, ok.I think you are arguing semantically - "social media" in this context refers to platforms that are designed from the outset to actively network and expand exponentially. One of the very first was called "Six Degrees" (a great name that sums the concept up perfectly) - and essentially established the model that FB and others have used since:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SixDegrees.com
Social Media, in the context I am discussing is not subject, theme or interest specific, rather it is a conduit for all and every voice or interest - it's purpose is to spread rather like a virus, and it does not discriminate in terms of that expansion.
A message board is just that - it is generally themed and is not dynamic in the way FB, Snapchat, Twitter etc are. Further, the content tends to be culturally specific - eg PH mostly will attract English speaking males, with an interest in cars, and a certain income level or above. It is essentially discriminatory and thus to some extent self-managing.
FB is the opposite of that - it is a platform that is designed to be fully inclusive rather than mostly exclusive. Pistonheads does not actively seek out your contacts book, or your friends with the aim of expanding its reach. FB does, that is it's modus operandi. FB is now essentially a broadcaster where everyone who is a user has a means to shout loudly, with few constraints, and with little to no responsibility. PH is essentially a niche narrowcaster - very different.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The biggest threat to humanity is people believing s
t that isn't true. It was the case 2000 year ago in the Middle East, and it's the case here and now. Nothing much has changed other than the means of delivery of the untrue st.
Yep. All social media has done is given a wider audience to people who spout st that isn't true. It was the case 2000 year ago in the Middle East, and it's the case here and now. Nothing much has changed other than the means of delivery of the untrue st. t.In the past the village idiot talked s
t down the pub - you might get one or two people believing it - whilst the rest of the pub collectively rolled their eyes and finished their pints.Now the village idiot has a potential audience of billions (and crucially - millions of other village idiots who will readily pass on their message).
Moonhawk said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The biggest threat to humanity is people believing st that isn't true. It was the case 2000 year ago in the Middle East, and it's the case here and now. Nothing much has changed other than the means of delivery of the untrue st.
Yep. All social media has done is given a wider audience to people who spout st that isn't true. It was the case 2000 year ago in the Middle East, and it's the case here and now. Nothing much has changed other than the means of delivery of the untrue st. t.In the past the village idiot talked s
t down the pub - you might get one or two people believing it - whilst the rest of the pub collectively rolled their eyes and finished their pints.Now the village idiot has a potential audience of billions (and crucially - millions of other village idiots who will readily pass on their message).
That is the really big, and frightening difference, as the Russians and others have realised only too well...
What I find a worry is that some / most people seem to believe all the claptrap spouted on there and indeed in the papers, it's as if the population is getting steadily more daft. The "news" seems to consist of scary headlines these days and often just complete nonsense no where even near the truth.
TX.
TX.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
TheFlyingBanana said:
I genuinely believe it is a significant global threat.
t that isn't true. It was the case 2000 year ago in the Middle East, and it's the case here and now. Nothing much has changed other than the means of delivery of the untrue st. TX.
Terminator X said:
What I find a worry is that some / most people seem to believe all the claptrap spouted on there and indeed in the papers, it's as if the population is getting steadily more daft. The "news" seems to consist of scary headlines these days and often just complete nonsense no where even near the truth.
TX.
Although there has been a dumbing down in many respects, and a trivialisation of fact and truth, I don't think there are necessarily more idiots out there, it is just that FB has handed every one of them a megaphone without any kind of training or behavioural expectations.TX.
Jonesy23 said:
What really killed it was social media apps on tablets and particularly on phones.
This lowered the knowledge and cost barriers to access far too low, leading to the mobs of jobless retards you see these days.
Good old trolling and argument has been there from the start of the Internet but mobs of shouty offended are a recent phenomenon.
The same sort of ignorant idiots are also ultimately to blame for the restrictions government are keen to introduce on access to sites and materials in some misguided attempt to make the world a soft fuzzy child friendly space.
I think social media basically feeds the human desire to identity as part of a group - without actually meeting any real life criteria for group membership - which allows all sort of bizarre and dysfunctional groups/ movements to gestate. Also, the lack of real world interaction normalises some pretty weird group behaviour.This lowered the knowledge and cost barriers to access far too low, leading to the mobs of jobless retards you see these days.
Good old trolling and argument has been there from the start of the Internet but mobs of shouty offended are a recent phenomenon.
The same sort of ignorant idiots are also ultimately to blame for the restrictions government are keen to introduce on access to sites and materials in some misguided attempt to make the world a soft fuzzy child friendly space.
It's probably enabled the rise of the ever-willing-to-be-offended SJW as - unfortunately- prominent individuals, organisations and companies seem to run scared at the first sign of a twitter mob so it gives them a sense of power which they crave. So you get people banding together in online mobs which actually seem to effect some sort of change when they start whining loudly enough.
Probably the turning point was whenever people getting trolled or disagreed with became some sort of newsworthy issue - that much have been at least 6 or 7 years back now.
I’ve never had a F/B account, believing wrongly no doubt, that it was for 13 y.o. girls.
My wife however does have one, and is rarely off it, when her phone dies, she puts it on charge, then frets, chewing her fingernails, until it’s at maybe 25%, then is at it again.
I said to her last night, “A serial started on TV yesterday, I watched the first episode, it’s right up your street with the mystery story line, I’ve recorded it, and set it up for series link, I’d watch it again, it was that good, but it’s in Dutch, with subtitles, what do you say?”
“Subtitles?” she said, “ I can’t do subtitles, if I look down at F/B on my phone, I might miss something vital on the TV, whereas if I do that while watching something in English, I can hear the conversation in the background.”
I bit my lip silently, almost drawing blood, while I toyed with throwing her, or her phone, out of our first floor window, I’d just decided on both when I realised that I’d never get away with it.
My wife however does have one, and is rarely off it, when her phone dies, she puts it on charge, then frets, chewing her fingernails, until it’s at maybe 25%, then is at it again.
I said to her last night, “A serial started on TV yesterday, I watched the first episode, it’s right up your street with the mystery story line, I’ve recorded it, and set it up for series link, I’d watch it again, it was that good, but it’s in Dutch, with subtitles, what do you say?”
“Subtitles?” she said, “ I can’t do subtitles, if I look down at F/B on my phone, I might miss something vital on the TV, whereas if I do that while watching something in English, I can hear the conversation in the background.”
I bit my lip silently, almost drawing blood, while I toyed with throwing her, or her phone, out of our first floor window, I’d just decided on both when I realised that I’d never get away with it.
I think the biggest problem with Social Media is the ability for uneducated morons to have too much of a voice and thus they get a mob rule mentality going on.
See the recent and tragic Alfie Evans case, and mob rule at a children's hospital.
Of course one has to be very very careful that we don't just be angry with views that differ from our own (such as PH seems to do in every single thread)
Still though, even PH has a reasoned debate and a firm (ish) etiquette and it's policed.
Something the size of FB allows total fktards to run riot with "the world is flat" type comments and theories as an obvious one. Less obvious is parts of the #meetoo type movement which invalidates the real problems and justified arguments.
I have also noticed (not to be political) but since the new era of politics of jealousy being popular, even my own FB now i'm subject to sly comments......." do you ever go to work?" etc type comments when I post adventures.
It feels like too many people know too much about a person due to FB, and that's me, a 40 something that was here before FB and hopefully will out live it.
THe younger generation are definitely suffering from unbelievably impossible fake news, fake profiles and fake lives. It must be tough for those that have never known anything different to stay independent of such constant 24/7 deliver of , well, st.
Insta on the other hand I started, and have a name that isn't me..........and thus have a bunch of photos etc on there that only the very closest of friends or strangers get to see.
I see Insta as a visual twitter. Or ttter as I call it.
See the recent and tragic Alfie Evans case, and mob rule at a children's hospital.
Of course one has to be very very careful that we don't just be angry with views that differ from our own (such as PH seems to do in every single thread)
Still though, even PH has a reasoned debate and a firm (ish) etiquette and it's policed.
Something the size of FB allows total f
ktards to run riot with "the world is flat" type comments and theories as an obvious one. Less obvious is parts of the #meetoo type movement which invalidates the real problems and justified arguments.I have also noticed (not to be political) but since the new era of politics of jealousy being popular, even my own FB now i'm subject to sly comments......." do you ever go to work?" etc type comments when I post adventures.
It feels like too many people know too much about a person due to FB, and that's me, a 40 something that was here before FB and hopefully will out live it.
THe younger generation are definitely suffering from unbelievably impossible fake news, fake profiles and fake lives. It must be tough for those that have never known anything different to stay independent of such constant 24/7 deliver of , well, s
t.Insta on the other hand I started, and have a name that isn't me..........and thus have a bunch of photos etc on there that only the very closest of friends or strangers get to see.
I see Insta as a visual twitter. Or t
tter as I call it.I was debating making this post myself
In my opinion a lot of the cancerous, backward converstaions and comments are made by the older generation. I really dislike that facebook somehow managed to dumb down their application that even a monkey could use it .... in my opinion of course
Can you imagine how many "letters" they write their mps social media accounts, i would vote for some efficiency drive in the dwp
fkers
In my opinion a lot of the cancerous, backward converstaions and comments are made by the older generation. I really dislike that facebook somehow managed to dumb down their application that even a monkey could use it .... in my opinion of course
Can you imagine how many "letters" they write their mps social media accounts, i would vote for some efficiency drive in the dwp
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kers TheFlyingBanana said:
Please explain how a car-themed message board is the same as Facebook or Twitter?
1. what has your topic got to do with cars?2. we could all have an identical conversation to this on FB, TW. - With the benefit of actually knowing who the person really is, not hidden behind a dodgy username.
3. cats are amusing.
I think there are different levels of intelligence on various social media platforms.
I started my social media journey about ten years ago on Facebook (I'm 52 now) and picked up Twitter about five years back. I also have an Instagram account and Snapchat.
Facebook used to be a means of finding people you haddn't seen or heard of for ages. Like Friends Reunited used to be. But it has long since morphed into a playground for stupid people playing Candy Crush or Farmville or whatever the lastest fad is. It has also become the go to place for uneducated people to get their 'news' on a daily basis. From the 'white van snatching kids in the area, please like and share' to the hysteria of ignorance of 'Alfie's Army'. I have long since deleted my Facebook account and feel so much less stressed by not having to look at that level of low IQ every day.
Twitter I use quite a bit, mostly for following Plymouth Argyle and the banter, but also for some of the celebrity tweets. The good thing about Twitter is that you don't have to follow those you don't like and can block accounts - I know you can also do that on Facebook. I use Twitter as a means to let off steam and have a mini rant or to read stuff that makes me laugh.
Instagram is all about posting pictures with a load of hashtags, I don't use it much. And Snapchat I just don't get at all. I only have the account to please the Fiancee so she can send me pictures with cat ears on or something, which usually elicit a 'that's nice dear'.
So to answer you OP, I would suggest that Facebook is the root of the evil, with so many stupid users and their details apparently being sold to companies that will furnish them with even more fake news.
I started my social media journey about ten years ago on Facebook (I'm 52 now) and picked up Twitter about five years back. I also have an Instagram account and Snapchat.
Facebook used to be a means of finding people you haddn't seen or heard of for ages. Like Friends Reunited used to be. But it has long since morphed into a playground for stupid people playing Candy Crush or Farmville or whatever the lastest fad is. It has also become the go to place for uneducated people to get their 'news' on a daily basis. From the 'white van snatching kids in the area, please like and share' to the hysteria of ignorance of 'Alfie's Army'. I have long since deleted my Facebook account and feel so much less stressed by not having to look at that level of low IQ every day.
Twitter I use quite a bit, mostly for following Plymouth Argyle and the banter, but also for some of the celebrity tweets. The good thing about Twitter is that you don't have to follow those you don't like and can block accounts - I know you can also do that on Facebook. I use Twitter as a means to let off steam and have a mini rant or to read stuff that makes me laugh.
Instagram is all about posting pictures with a load of hashtags, I don't use it much. And Snapchat I just don't get at all. I only have the account to please the Fiancee so she can send me pictures with cat ears on or something, which usually elicit a 'that's nice dear'.
So to answer you OP, I would suggest that Facebook is the root of the evil, with so many stupid users and their details apparently being sold to companies that will furnish them with even more fake news.
TheFlyingBanana said:
I steer well clear of it in the most part - I post on some discussion forums, but avoid Twitter, FB and the rest.
Everywhere I look, it seems to me that the downsides of social media, and the dangers it represents significantly outweigh the positives (although I do recognise there are some).
I just don't think society, and many of its members are emotionally or intellectually equipped to deal with this level of global connectivity and immediacy. It is causing huge problems with children, undermining democracy, trivialising serious issues, and turning the notion of "truth and fact" into an irrelevance.
I genuinely believe it is a significant global threat.
Human society is based on the generally accepted and shared premise that most people are basically honest most of the time. If nobody is able to trust anyone anymore, then social norms break down. If "the truth" becomes nothing more than a loudly shouted opinion at any given point in time, and there are no ramifications for those who are dishonest, then I can't see how society as we know it will continue to function in the longer term.
The law is already being subverted by trial by social media, the US President clearly feels that he has no obligation to the truth whatsoever, and the voice of the mob goes unchallenged and is unnaccountable.
Views?
I agree with you, almost 100%.Everywhere I look, it seems to me that the downsides of social media, and the dangers it represents significantly outweigh the positives (although I do recognise there are some).
I just don't think society, and many of its members are emotionally or intellectually equipped to deal with this level of global connectivity and immediacy. It is causing huge problems with children, undermining democracy, trivialising serious issues, and turning the notion of "truth and fact" into an irrelevance.
I genuinely believe it is a significant global threat.
Human society is based on the generally accepted and shared premise that most people are basically honest most of the time. If nobody is able to trust anyone anymore, then social norms break down. If "the truth" becomes nothing more than a loudly shouted opinion at any given point in time, and there are no ramifications for those who are dishonest, then I can't see how society as we know it will continue to function in the longer term.
The law is already being subverted by trial by social media, the US President clearly feels that he has no obligation to the truth whatsoever, and the voice of the mob goes unchallenged and is unnaccountable.
Views?
However, without my fake sockpuppet facebook account (and her laughable naivety about internet security), I wouldn't have seen the HR girl in a bikini.
So for that reason, I'm happy to put up with the myriad downsides.
top notch stalking that. daddy cool said:
I agree with you, almost 100%.
However, without my fake sockpuppet facebook account (and her laughable naivety about internet security), I wouldn't have seen the HR girl in a bikini.
So for that reason, I'm happy to put up with the myriad downsides.
is this even PH without a photo of the HR girl? Or is that against rules for Gridgirls, Metoo or some other such new age rules that myself as a internet dinosaur is not allowed to ask. Sad man that I am etc However, without my fake sockpuppet facebook account (and her laughable naivety about internet security), I wouldn't have seen the HR girl in a bikini.
So for that reason, I'm happy to put up with the myriad downsides.
(think I covered everything that I would be accused of)
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