Ruth Davidson pregnant.

[pequod]

esxste said:

Because it is 2018, and not 1918.

Same sex relationships are not a new phenomenon, and its no longer ignorance that drives people to post things like "as nature intended".

It's willful bigotry, and its quite hypocritical for the intolerant to demand others be tolerant of their intolerance.

Ooh, ooh can I play?

Is it therefore hypocritical to be tolerant so that the intolerant can demand others to be tolerant of their intolerance?

[tight fart]

Started a long time before 1918 when Reg gave Stan the right to have a baby.
https://youtu.be/sFBOQzSk14c

[popeyewhite]

esxste said:

Secondly, studies on the matter suggest that there is no discernible difference in the development of children raised by same sex parents.

There are no long-term longitudinal studies of children brought up by same sex parents, for the obvious reasons. Short term studies, however, show children brought up by same sex parents do just as well as those brought up by different sex parents. HTH.

Edited by popeyewhite on Friday 27th April 17:09

[Willy Nilly]

Shakermaker said:

Willy Nilly said:

esxste said:

Willy Nilly said:

If one is a same sex relationship, how do you decide which one will bare/father the child and how do you decide who supplies the extra ingredient?

I think if you imagined yourself in a similar situation, you'd come up with the very obvious answer to your question.

It's not an obvious answer. In a "conventional" relationship, there is no discussions to be had because the roles of father and mother are not negotiable. In a same sex relationship there are either 2 "fathers" or 2 "mothers", but there an only ever be one father and one mother, no matter how right on the couple is.

What are you on about?

What are the "roles" of the father and the mother?

Sure, a mother has the ability to feed their child naturally, which a father does not, but what is the role of a father that you think is so important?

As a new dad I'm keen to understand what I might be doing wrong you see. As much as I can tell, my role is: Take care of my daughter and tend to her needs. That happens to also be my wife's role. Our roles as a married couple remain the same - we continue take care of each other as we need it, and my role as a person sees that I look after myself too.

Two mums also surely better than just one mum and an absent dad as well?

If you are a new dad you really should have a better idea than me about how this parenting lark works. Last I heard you need a mummy and a daddy. If you are the daddy, no amount of NHS intervention can make you a mummy. You didn't sit down with your other half and discuss which one of you were going to carry the baby and which one wasn't.

So, I'll ask again. In a hetrosexual relationship, man provides sperm, lady provide eggs. But in this instance, there was a surfit of eggs and a derth of sperm. So who do you decide which one carries the child and which one stands their (probably pretending to) looking happy? My question isn't relating to bring up the child, it's relating to actually breeding the thing in the first place.

[Zod]

Willy Nilly said:

esxste said:

Willy Nilly said:

If one is a same sex relationship, how do you decide which one will bare/father the child and how do you decide who supplies the extra ingredient?

I think if you imagined yourself in a similar situation, you'd come up with the very obvious answer to your question.

It's not an obvious answer. In a "conventional" relationship, there is no discussions to be had because the roles of father and mother are not negotiable. In a same sex relationship there are either 2 "fathers" or 2 "mothers", but there an only ever be one father and one mother, no matter how right on the couple is.

Do you think a child under the age of 10 has any conception of there being a difference between father and mother more significant than the obvious external gender difference?

[Big Pants]

Willy Nilly said:

If you are a new dad you really should have a better idea than me about how this parenting lark works. Last I heard you need a mummy and a daddy. If you are the daddy, no amount of NHS intervention can make you a mummy. You didn't sit down with your other half and discuss which one of you were going to carry the baby and which one wasn't.

So, I'll ask again. In a hetrosexual relationship, man provides sperm, lady provide eggs. But in this instance, there was a surfit of eggs and a derth of sperm. So who do you decide which one carries the child and which one stands their (probably pretending to) looking happy? My question isn't relating to bring up the child, it's relating to actually breeding the thing in the first place.

I should imagine a conversation took place. Often does, between loving couples. You should try it.

[andy_s]

Willy Nilly said:

If you are a new dad you really should have a better idea than me about how this parenting lark works. Last I heard you need a mummy and a daddy. If you are the daddy, no amount of NHS intervention can make you a mummy. You didn't sit down with your other half and discuss which one of you were going to carry the baby and which one wasn't.

So, I'll ask again. In a hetrosexual relationship, man provides sperm, lady provide eggs. But in this instance, there was a surfit of eggs and a derth of sperm. So who do you decide which one carries the child and which one stands their (probably pretending to) looking happy? My question isn't relating to bring up the child, it's relating to actually breeding the thing in the first place.

Well I presume you decide between yourselves.

[Tannedbaldhead]

Best Tory of the lot.

Independent Scotland? No way!

Independent Scotland this Ruth Davidson in charge? Hmmmmmmm!

[bitchstewie]

3 pages for it to start.

Standards are slipping.

[chrispmartha]

Big Pants said:

Willy Nilly said:

If you are a new dad you really should have a better idea than me about how this parenting lark works. Last I heard you need a mummy and a daddy. If you are the daddy, no amount of NHS intervention can make you a mummy. You didn't sit down with your other half and discuss which one of you were going to carry the baby and which one wasn't.

So, I'll ask again. In a hetrosexual relationship, man provides sperm, lady provide eggs. But in this instance, there was a surfit of eggs and a derth of sperm. So who do you decide which one carries the child and which one stands their (probably pretending to) looking happy? My question isn't relating to bring up the child, it's relating to actually breeding the thing in the first place.

I should imagine a conversation took place. Often does, between loving couples. You should try it.

Im struggling to see what WN is going on about to be honest, its quite obvious that the couple will discuss who carries the child based on their personal feelings and circumstances, anyway she’s always come across as a genuine person who takes her job seriously and cares about what she does, congrats to her and her partner .

[Vaud]

IrateNinja said:

Terrific news for them both. She's come across positively every time I've seen her, and I do think she would be a good leader for the tory party.

I agree, I think she would be a breath of fresh air and I suspect she is one potential leader that Labour would fear.

If she can win in Scotland...

[grantone]

Willy Nilly said:

If you are a new dad you really should have a better idea than me about how this parenting lark works. Last I heard you need a mummy and a daddy. If you are the daddy, no amount of NHS intervention can make you a mummy. You didn't sit down with your other half and discuss which one of you were going to carry the baby and which one wasn't.

So, I'll ask again. In a hetrosexual relationship, man provides sperm, lady provide eggs. But in this instance, there was a surfit of eggs and a derth of sperm. So who do you decide which one carries the child and which one stands their (probably pretending to) looking happy? My question isn't relating to bring up the child, it's relating to actually breeding the thing in the first place.

You're assuming that there are no fertility issues in your hetrosexual example. Approaching 5% of births last year were via assisted reproduction and considering that only a third of assisted cycles are successful and not everyone can or chooses to access treatment then that's a lot of people each year discussing who should provide the sperm, eggs or carrying the baby to term.

It's entirely possible that Ruth Davidson is carrying the baby, but it's her partners eggs, or from someone else altogether.

Having been through it myself, they are complex and emotional conversations, but that's all it takes. Just a series of conversations, a decision and then overwhelming joy if your child is conceived and born.

On topic, congratulations to the couple, they seem like they'll make great parents.

[popeyewhite]

Zod said:

Do you think a child under the age of 10 has any conception of there being a difference between father and mother more significant than the obvious external gender difference?

There will be notable emotional and behavioural differences as well that are gender specific.

[wc98]

Zoon said:

But on balance probably not as good as a mum and dad, as nature intended.

i think the most importanat thing is the child is brought into a stable relationship between two people. the sex of those two people is not so important, imo.

[Vaud]

wc98 said:

i think the most importanat thing is the child is brought into a stable relationship between two people. the sex of those two people is not so important, imo.

Quite.

[popeyewhite]

Vaud said:

wc98 said:

i think the most importanat thing is the child is brought into a stable relationship between two people. the sex of those two people is not so important, imo.

Quite.

We don't know yet if the sex of the two parents is important, as there have been no lifetime studies. Current (relatively short term) research seems to indicate the sex of the parents makes no difference.

[Zod]

popeyewhite said:

Zod said:

Do you think a child under the age of 10 has any conception of there being a difference between father and mother more significant than the obvious external gender difference?

There will be notable emotional and behavioural differences as well that are gender specific.

Really? So much so that they are noticeable/relevant to a young child?

[Troubleatmill]

If you asked me 30 odd years ago - I would have had a hissy fit about there not being a mum and dad.
I think I know better now,

To be honest - all that matters is the kid is brought up in a loving caring environment and is being prepared for life as an adult.

Gender of parents is pretty much irrelevant.

[Zod]

Troubleatmill said:

If you asked me 30 odd years ago - I would have had a hissy fit about there not being a mum and dad.
I think I know better now,

To be honest - all that matters is the kid is brought up in a loving caring environment and is being prepared for life as an adult.

Gender of parents is pretty much irrelevant.

Yep. Me too.

[Squadrone Rosso]

My only worry for the baby is the fact it’s going to brought up as a Tory!