Is Macron France's Maggie?

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YankeePorker

4,769 posts

242 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Was surprised when my very socialist French buddy got all enthusiastic and voted for Micron, because he’s all about big business and employment reform. I suppose it was tacit recognition that La France definitely needs dragging into the real world - 25 years of living beyond your means is maybe enough!

I think the scales have fallen from a lot of the lefty eyes now.....

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

80 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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[quote=Vanden Saab

I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...

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Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?

I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
It is not possible to have another Maggie......Only one devil exists
rolleyes

Lots of berks on the internet though...

jimPH

3,981 posts

81 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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E34-3.2 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?

I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
So I suppose you've spent a lot of time in French hospitals , you really shouldn't travel if you are unwell. Or maybe you think driving past them tells you all you need to know?

Vanden Saab

14,128 posts

75 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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E34-3.2 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?

I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Exactly why I asked...If I knew I wouldn't have... The only experience I have of the French system was a mate who had a car accident over there and it took 3 years for UK doctors to fix the mess they made of him. The figures don't seem to match your experience but as you say figures are figures....

Kccv23highliftcam

1,783 posts

76 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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E34-3.2 said:
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?

I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Totally correct. Professional and FAST.

Kccv23highliftcam

1,783 posts

76 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Vanden Saab said:
E34-3.2 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?

I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Exactly why I asked...If I knew I wouldn't have... The only experience I have of the French system was a mate who had a car accident over there and it took 3 years for UK doctors to fix the mess they made of him. The figures don't seem to match your experience but as you say figures are figures....
" 3 years for UK doctors to fix the mess they made of him"

I wonder what mess he was in after his car accident.

My experience of the NHS is of opposites.

Life saving, yes. However care out of acute falls away from that excellent standard.

Little things like having to wait, in pain,10 months for a physio [and then be referred to the "overseas B Physiotherapist" who just happens to be french and EXCELLENT btw] three weeks for an X ray to be looked at etc, etc, all these things away from acute are what fail the NHS...

Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Wednesday 12th September 08:29

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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YankeePorker said:
Was surprised when my very socialist French buddy got all enthusiastic and voted for Micron, because he’s all about big business and employment reform. I suppose it was tacit recognition that La France definitely needs dragging into the real world - 25 years of living beyond your means is maybe enough!

I think the scales have fallen from a lot of the lefty eyes now.....
More like he was seen as the best candidate because the other front runner was LePen.

Wait until he starts with his proposed union and labour reforms. They'll regret voting for him before he's done, mark my words. 

"Not LePen" isn't that compelling a message and it'll only hold water for so long. If he's successful in rolling back workers rights there'll be hell on over there, she's fairly socialist in her outlook on such matters so if she stands on a platform to reverse any changes he has made she'll be looking pretty good in the polls come election time IMO.

bloomen

6,920 posts

160 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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E34-3.2 said:
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Depends on whether your affairs are fully in order. A friend of my dad's wasn't properly insured despite moving there and landed herself with a 40 grand bill after a car crash.

It definitely seems a lot more prompt for most things though.

E34-3.2

1,003 posts

80 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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bloomen said:
Depends on whether your affairs are fully in order. A friend of my dad's wasn't properly insured despite moving there and landed herself with a 40 grand bill after a car crash.

It definitely seems a lot more prompt for most things though.
Not sure what you mean by not being properly insured?

If she moved up there and got affiliated to the french "securité social" (french nhs), you are covered at 80% and 100% for serious illness. On top of that you can get a "Mutuel" which covers roughly the 20% left. "

If she wasn't insured properly, that means she moved to France but didn't get affiliated to the "securité social". In that case she depends of the British system.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

jimPH

3,981 posts

81 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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Makeup is next.

Macski

2,567 posts

75 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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Maybe off topic but Macron is pushing for a federal Europe with France with Germany as its head. How does he think France is equal to Germany and in any case if there is a federal Europe there will be no France or Germany will there?

He used to include Italy in his calls as the supreme leaders but Italy is misbehaving at the moment.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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His approval rating is now in the low 20s. Ouch.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06...


Lucas Ayde

3,566 posts

169 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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He's not a French Thatcher - more like a French Tony Blair and the French have cottoned on to him faster than the Brits did to Bliar.

dandarez

13,293 posts

284 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Lucas Ayde said:
He's not a French Thatcher - more like a French Tony Blair and the French have cottoned on to him faster than the Brits did to Bliar.
Very accurate assessment.

mike74

3,687 posts

133 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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''Let them buy Teslas! How Macron provoked an uprising''

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/let-them-buy-t...

Derek Smith

45,703 posts

249 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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mike74 said:
''Let them buy Teslas! How Macron provoked an uprising''

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/let-them-buy-t...
I quite like Johathan Miller, but his posts have to be read with his obvious political bias in mind. It would appear he wants the total destruction of Macron and the climate change accord. It's full of wishes rather than fact. He states that police morale has dropped away. That's not what we saw on Saturday. A tour de force in more ways than one will likely make them very positive. They saw off the big one. It wasn't that big, a bit wimpish in fact, but that doesn't matter as lots of people, not only Miller, said it would be.

I know it is easy to pick apart political predictions but that's no reason not to do so. Everything he said would happen didn't. Further, to suggest that Macron will not be reelected in four years' time is a bit of a hail Mary.

For the OP's original question; I think Macron might be more like de Gaul than Thatcher. The former had similar riots, almost an uprising, in 1968 and not only weathered it but at the following election - dG resigned - he came back with a greater share of the votes. Whatever French politics are, it is not simple. It is certainly not predictable.

Once the far left/right thugs move in the normal demonstrators tend to lose a bit of interest. Without a single organising body to negotiate with, Macron's only route seems to be to keep order and wait it out.


Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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mike74 said:
France's Maggie or Bliar... either way it's insane to think that so many ordinary working class folk were stupid/gullible enough to vote for (yet another) puppet of the big banks.
He's a puppet of the big banks?

Murph7355

37,760 posts

257 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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mike74 said:
France's Maggie or Bliar... either way it's insane to think that so many ordinary working class folk were stupid/gullible enough to vote for (yet another) puppet of the big banks.
Did those people vote for him?

I thought one of the things France is suffering from is a disconnect between the metropolitan areas and "everywhere else"...? Similar issues are everywhere across Europe (the continent).