Is Macron France's Maggie?
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Was surprised when my very socialist French buddy got all enthusiastic and voted for Micron, because he’s all about big business and employment reform. I suppose it was tacit recognition that La France definitely needs dragging into the real world - 25 years of living beyond your means is maybe enough!
I think the scales have fallen from a lot of the lefty eyes now.....
I think the scales have fallen from a lot of the lefty eyes now.....
[quote=Vanden Saab
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
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Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
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Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
E34-3.2 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
E34-3.2 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
E34-3.2 said:
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Totally correct. Professional and FAST.I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Vanden Saab said:
E34-3.2 said:
Vanden Saab said:
I would be interested to see by what measure you base your statement that healthcare is "higher" in France maybe you could expand that point...as most figures I can find show that overall the NHS is much cheaper and better than the French system...
I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
Have you ever spent time in France other than on holidays?I would not suggest that it is on its knees but it seems to be behind the UK in many respects...
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
I wonder what mess he was in after his car accident.
My experience of the NHS is of opposites.
Life saving, yes. However care out of acute falls away from that excellent standard.
Little things like having to wait, in pain,10 months for a physio [and then be referred to the "overseas B Physiotherapist" who just happens to be french and EXCELLENT btw] three weeks for an X ray to be looked at etc, etc, all these things away from acute are what fail the NHS...
Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Wednesday 12th September 08:29
YankeePorker said:
Was surprised when my very socialist French buddy got all enthusiastic and voted for Micron, because he’s all about big business and employment reform. I suppose it was tacit recognition that La France definitely needs dragging into the real world - 25 years of living beyond your means is maybe enough!
I think the scales have fallen from a lot of the lefty eyes now.....
More like he was seen as the best candidate because the other front runner was LePen.I think the scales have fallen from a lot of the lefty eyes now.....
Wait until he starts with his proposed union and labour reforms. They'll regret voting for him before he's done, mark my words.
"Not LePen" isn't that compelling a message and it'll only hold water for so long. If he's successful in rolling back workers rights there'll be hell on over there, she's fairly socialist in her outlook on such matters so if she stands on a platform to reverse any changes he has made she'll be looking pretty good in the polls come election time IMO.
E34-3.2 said:
I have spent 20years in the UK and 22years in France. To say that the NHS is better than the French health care system is a bit of a joke. No need to bring datas or surveys bias towards the NHS over here, once you used both systems...in real life you don't even dare to compare. French system is better, as simple as that.
Depends on whether your affairs are fully in order. A friend of my dad's wasn't properly insured despite moving there and landed herself with a 40 grand bill after a car crash. It definitely seems a lot more prompt for most things though.
bloomen said:
Depends on whether your affairs are fully in order. A friend of my dad's wasn't properly insured despite moving there and landed herself with a 40 grand bill after a car crash.
It definitely seems a lot more prompt for most things though.
Not sure what you mean by not being properly insured?It definitely seems a lot more prompt for most things though.
If she moved up there and got affiliated to the french "securité social" (french nhs), you are covered at 80% and 100% for serious illness. On top of that you can get a "Mutuel" which covers roughly the 20% left. "
If she wasn't insured properly, that means she moved to France but didn't get affiliated to the "securité social". In that case she depends of the British system.
Maybe off topic but Macron is pushing for a federal Europe with France with Germany as its head. How does he think France is equal to Germany and in any case if there is a federal Europe there will be no France or Germany will there?
He used to include Italy in his calls as the supreme leaders but Italy is misbehaving at the moment.
He used to include Italy in his calls as the supreme leaders but Italy is misbehaving at the moment.
His approval rating is now in the low 20s. Ouch.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06...
''Let them buy Teslas! How Macron provoked an uprising''
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/let-them-buy-t...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/let-them-buy-t...
mike74 said:
''Let them buy Teslas! How Macron provoked an uprising''
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/let-them-buy-t...
I quite like Johathan Miller, but his posts have to be read with his obvious political bias in mind. It would appear he wants the total destruction of Macron and the climate change accord. It's full of wishes rather than fact. He states that police morale has dropped away. That's not what we saw on Saturday. A tour de force in more ways than one will likely make them very positive. They saw off the big one. It wasn't that big, a bit wimpish in fact, but that doesn't matter as lots of people, not only Miller, said it would be.https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/let-them-buy-t...
I know it is easy to pick apart political predictions but that's no reason not to do so. Everything he said would happen didn't. Further, to suggest that Macron will not be reelected in four years' time is a bit of a hail Mary.
For the OP's original question; I think Macron might be more like de Gaul than Thatcher. The former had similar riots, almost an uprising, in 1968 and not only weathered it but at the following election - dG resigned - he came back with a greater share of the votes. Whatever French politics are, it is not simple. It is certainly not predictable.
Once the far left/right thugs move in the normal demonstrators tend to lose a bit of interest. Without a single organising body to negotiate with, Macron's only route seems to be to keep order and wait it out.
mike74 said:
France's Maggie or Bliar... either way it's insane to think that so many ordinary working class folk were stupid/gullible enough to vote for (yet another) puppet of the big banks.
Did those people vote for him?I thought one of the things France is suffering from is a disconnect between the metropolitan areas and "everywhere else"...? Similar issues are everywhere across Europe (the continent).
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