Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers
Discussion
Red 4 said:
Digga said:
Everywhere. It's well known and has been going on for decades: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/350564/New-laws-...
They generally "invade" somewhere else when the removal order is about to kick in.Travellers usually stay for 3 or 4 days. They know how the system works.
The link you've posted is about planning permission/ caravans on private land (like Devon Farm).
Digga said:
And the link explicitly sites the frequency of them picking weekends or Bank Holidays to invade certain sites.
They might choose a weekend/ PH for certain sites or if they have a specific intent.Most of the ones I've come across appear to be pretty random with their comings and goings and base their travels around how efficient the local councils are.
Digga said:
nd yet, anyone who's had any dealings with these types of travelers knows this is precisely their MO; using the cover of a Bank Holiday weekend to invade and raid property that is not theirs. So why is it taking the police so long to get to grips with the idea? What's the plan for the future? It's no good spokespillocks trotting out the usual common purpose stock "lessons will be learned" platitudes when, clearly, they are not.
Indeed given the same force had similar issues last year where a village was overrun and there were claims of sex assault etc and afterwards the police came in for huge stick and made all the normal platitudes of investigations are ongoing and lessons will be learned.1 year on and and apparently nothing has been done about the first event.
frankenstein12 said:
1 year on and and apparently nothing has been done about the first event.
That's not fair; they've admitted that the problem was massively bigger than first stated and they've said that they're going to do something. You can't rush these things, especially in light of their massively limited resources; Cromer will still be there in another year.In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
Rovinghawk said:
That's not fair; they've admitted that the problem was massively bigger than first stated and they've said that they're going to do something. You can't rush these things, especially in light of their massively limited resources; Cromer will still be there in another year.
In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
I didnt realise that Cromer and Blackburn are both in Lancashire? When did that happen? Did Storm Hector move them closer together?In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
Just been to Tescos in Purely
Small encampment apparently turned up last night. The amount of s
t everywhere is (sadly not) unbelievable!
Police having a stand off with a far gobby in a vest. 2 more Police cars turned up, and there's some media here filming.
https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-n...
king tool! Bet he wouldn't be quite so blasé if they rocked up near him!
Small encampment apparently turned up last night. The amount of s
t everywhere is (sadly not) unbelievable!Police having a stand off with a far gobby
in a vest. 2 more Police cars turned up, and there's some media here filming.https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-n...
From the article said:
Purley Councillor Simon Brew assured residents that Tesco would be dealing with the issue.
He said: “I saw it there yesterday afternoon. If it happened on council land of course everyone would be jumping around.
“As it has happened on Tesco land, I’m sure they are geared up to these situations I would have thought.
“They have to go through the courts to sort these situations out.
“I was there yesterday afternoon and saw that they are there but they are harmless and don’t appear to be harming anyone.
“They have to live somewhere, but it’s unfortunate for Tesco that this has happened here.”
What a fHe said: “I saw it there yesterday afternoon. If it happened on council land of course everyone would be jumping around.
“As it has happened on Tesco land, I’m sure they are geared up to these situations I would have thought.
“They have to go through the courts to sort these situations out.
“I was there yesterday afternoon and saw that they are there but they are harmless and don’t appear to be harming anyone.
“They have to live somewhere, but it’s unfortunate for Tesco that this has happened here.”
king tool! Bet he wouldn't be quite so blasé if they rocked up near him!Edited by Rich_W on Monday 18th June 15:21
pavarotti1980 said:
Red 4 said:
... and Essex too. Apparently.
Esnorcashire. A place unique to Pistonheads.
Guess it makes erratic comparisons a bit easier to makeEsnorcashire. A place unique to Pistonheads.
UK ?
Rovinghawk said:
That's not fair; they've admitted that the problem was massively bigger than first stated and they've said that they're going to do something. You can't rush these things, especially in light of their massively limited resources; Cromer will still be there in another year.
In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
Please God ... Make him stop.In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
Just for a little while.
On another note, have you thought about what style of uniform you could have for your special ops T.I.T.S. department ?
You could go all Tom Winsor banana republic style for yourself as leader and like this for the troops (you'll need to make elite T.l.T.S. operatives easily distinguishable from the run of the mill scaredy cat police, obviously).
Edited by Red 4 on Monday 18th June 15:36
PRTVR said:
When Grenfell towers happened high rises up and down the country were inspected and corrected, is it to much to ask that the police force throughout the UK learn lessons from wherever incident's happen in the
UK ?
They do, which is part of why we have the HIMCFR and the College of Policing. UK ?
However, Cromer has nothing to do with this event at the Brewery, so it's a 'red herring', a fallacy deployed by people who can't form a rational or cohesive argument about the actual subject.
Red herring said:
Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.
PRTVR said:
When Grenfell towers happened high rises up and down the country were inspected and corrected, is it to much to ask that the police force throughout the UK learn lessons from wherever incident's happen in the
UK ?
Apparently people dont like it when public sector says lessons will be learnt though...the only solution is for mass sackings and losing pension. We heard it here first UK ?
gooner1 said:
Less deflection more detection, if you wouldn't mind.
What do you expect me to detect exactly? I am merely pointing out that Cromer is not in Lancashire.Edited by pavarotti1980 on Monday 18th June 15:51
I'm wondering if the Thwaites scumbags wouldn't have been easier to detect at the time BiB were watching them driving off with stolen fixtures and fittings, rather than letting them disappear and then trying to track them down.
Just giving the loveable rogues a sporting chance, maybe...
Just giving the loveable rogues a sporting chance, maybe...
PorkInsider said:
I'm wondering if the Thwaites scumbags wouldn't have been easier to detect at the time BiB were watching them driving off with stolen fixtures and fittings, rather than letting them disappear and then trying to track them down.
Just giving the loveable rogues a sporting chance, maybe...
Does the hare get a sporting chance during coursing?Just giving the loveable rogues a sporting chance, maybe...
Mind you farmers don't get a sporting chance, try to stop the hunting, threats of violence ensue.
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/crime/hare-coursers-thr...
La Liga said:
However, Cromer has nothing to do with this event at the Brewery, so it's a 'red herring', a fallacy deployed by people who can't form a rational or cohesive argument about the actual subject.
Except it is not entirely irrelevant but rather another example of how a certain suset of the population thinks it can live outside of the law and seems to do so fairly successfully. The very fact these people are itinerant means that it is entirely possible there were individuals involved in both events. If you allow people to live outside of the law, they will, and this is what happens.pavarotti1980 said:
Rovinghawk said:
That's not fair; they've admitted that the problem was massively bigger than first stated and they've said that they're going to do something. You can't rush these things, especially in light of their massively limited resources; Cromer will still be there in another year.
In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
I didnt realise that Cromer and Blackburn are both in Lancashire? When did that happen? Did Storm Hector move them closer together?In the case of the brewery they've stated that they're "actively looking" to arrest someone. One would presume that this is more robust & energetic than the more normal method of looking for someone to arrest.
Of course it's easy to then mock and hide behind the archaic structure of the forces nationally because what happens in one place is obviously utterly unrelated to how crime might be handled elsewhere.
Certainly it's easier to mock and make excuses than it is to be proactive.
Jonesy23 said:
Seems a fair enough way to structure a comment treating 'they' (police) as a whole.
Of course it's easy to then mock and hide behind the archaic structure of the forces nationally because what happens in one place is obviously utterly unrelated to how crime might be handled elsewhere.
Certainly it's easier to mock and make excuses than it is to be proactive.
Can you explain how you expect someone to be proactive on an internet forum to solve this issue? I accept that there arent enough police to do everything since they have taken up the slack of most other organisations whilst seeing a reduction in numbers. So there has to be a degree of realism in this situation and in other sectors that what may have been dealth with more urgently before is no longer so urgent.Of course it's easy to then mock and hide behind the archaic structure of the forces nationally because what happens in one place is obviously utterly unrelated to how crime might be handled elsewhere.
Certainly it's easier to mock and make excuses than it is to be proactive.
If it is to be believed from reports, the police on scene at Thwaites were diverted to a male on run with a knife. In your infinite wisdom which would be regarded as a higher priority and which should be dealt with first
No mocking its the inference that Cromer and this are in some way connected due to the fact that its travellers in both instances. The only way that would be the case was if the same groups were responsible in Cromer as they are in Blackburn. Also the continued suggstion that only travellers are exempt from the criminal justice system. Does that mean that everyone else who come into contact with the police are automatically prosecuted on each occasion or maybe they could be realeased without charge, maybe they are under the age of criminal responsibility, maybe there isnt any evidence to charge with the realistic prospect of conviction. The majority of repsonses on this thread are blinkered, prejudice views that all travellers drive round the country committing crime and getting away with it, somewhat of a generalised view. If that was said of white males or black males there would be hell on. I am no apologist by the way but the responses just prove how short sighted a lot of people are
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Monday 18th June 16:58
Digga said:
La Liga said:
However, Cromer has nothing to do with this event at the Brewery, so it's a 'red herring', a fallacy deployed by people who can't form a rational or cohesive argument about the actual subject.
Except it is not entirely irrelevant but rather another example of how a certain suset of the population thinks it can live outside of the law and seems to do so fairly successfully. The very fact these people are itinerant means that it is entirely possible there were individuals involved in both events. If you allow people to live outside of the law, they will, and this is what happens.Why not find any example anywhere in the country of Travellers committing crime and bring it up if we're going to make such loose links?
The thousands in prison would probably disagree they can live outside the law successfully. That's the issue with generalisations.
Jonesy23 said:
Seems a fair enough way to structure a comment treating 'they' (police) as a whole.
Of course it's easy to then mock and hide behind the archaic structure of the forces nationally because what happens in one place is obviously utterly unrelated to how crime might be handled elsewhere.
Certainly it's easier to mock and make excuses than it is to be proactive.
Even if there are similarities, t's irrelevant for the purposes of this incident and the individual circumstances (resources / demand etc) Of course it's easy to then mock and hide behind the archaic structure of the forces nationally because what happens in one place is obviously utterly unrelated to how crime might be handled elsewhere.
Certainly it's easier to mock and make excuses than it is to be proactive.
Rich_W said:
Just been to Tescos in Purely
Small encampment apparently turned up last night. The amount of st everywhere is (sadly not) unbelievable!
Police having a stand off with a far gobby in a vest. 2 more Police cars turned up, and there's some media here filming.
https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-n...
king tool! Bet he wouldn't be quite so blasé if they rocked up near him!
They don't need a court order at all, as previously clarified. They CAN be moved along right there and then. It's just waiting for a court order makes it someone else's problem for a few days while the paperwork is procured. Small encampment apparently turned up last night. The amount of s
t everywhere is (sadly not) unbelievable!Police having a stand off with a far gobby
in a vest. 2 more Police cars turned up, and there's some media here filming.https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/news/croydon-n...
From the article said:
Purley Councillor Simon Brew assured residents that Tesco would be dealing with the issue.
He said: “I saw it there yesterday afternoon. If it happened on council land of course everyone would be jumping around.
“As it has happened on Tesco land, I’m sure they are geared up to these situations I would have thought.
“They have to go through the courts to sort these situations out.
“I was there yesterday afternoon and saw that they are there but they are harmless and don’t appear to be harming anyone.
“They have to live somewhere, but it’s unfortunate for Tesco that this has happened here.”
What a fHe said: “I saw it there yesterday afternoon. If it happened on council land of course everyone would be jumping around.
“As it has happened on Tesco land, I’m sure they are geared up to these situations I would have thought.
“They have to go through the courts to sort these situations out.
“I was there yesterday afternoon and saw that they are there but they are harmless and don’t appear to be harming anyone.
“They have to live somewhere, but it’s unfortunate for Tesco that this has happened here.”
king tool! Bet he wouldn't be quite so blasé if they rocked up near him!Edited by Rich_W on Monday 18th June 15:21
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