Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers
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pavarotti1980 said:
Apparently people dont like it when public sector says lessons will be learnt though...
They don't, mostly because it's an oft-repeated meaningless platitude in place of any real action.pavarotti1980 said:
the only solution is for mass sackings and losing pension.
No need to act against the mass- target just the lazy & incompetent. pavarotti1980 said:
What do you expect me to detect exactly? I am merely pointing out that Cromer is not in Lancashire.
And we're pointing out that in both those cases & many more the various police forces stood by because enforcing the law on pikescum is considered too difficult.Newflash- the police are there to supposedly protect the public.
pavarotti1980 said:
No mocking its the inference that Cromer and this are in some way connected.
Can you explain how you expect someone to be proactive on an internet forum to solve this issue? I accept that there arent enough police to do everything since they have taken up the slack of most other organisations whilst seeing a reduction in numbers. So there has to be a degree of realism in this situation and in other sectors that what may have been dealth with more urgently before is no longer so urgent.
If it is to be believed from reports, the police on scene at Thwaites were diverted to a male on run with a knife. In your infinite wisdom which would be regarded as a higher priority and which should be dealt with first
They arrived on the Saturday which is when the knife incident occured and left 2 1/2 days later on the Monday with the loot. I'm surprised at least a cpuple of the waggons werent pulled once they were on the road. Police would have had more than enough grounds to stop and search, dont you think?Can you explain how you expect someone to be proactive on an internet forum to solve this issue? I accept that there arent enough police to do everything since they have taken up the slack of most other organisations whilst seeing a reduction in numbers. So there has to be a degree of realism in this situation and in other sectors that what may have been dealth with more urgently before is no longer so urgent.
If it is to be believed from reports, the police on scene at Thwaites were diverted to a male on run with a knife. In your infinite wisdom which would be regarded as a higher priority and which should be dealt with first
Rovinghawk said:
And we're pointing out that in both those cases & many more the various police forces stood by because enforcing the law on pikescum is considered too difficult.
Newflash- the police are there to supposedly protect the public.
are they public servants? I thought they were crown servants?Newflash- the police are there to supposedly protect the public.
Rovinghawk said:
They don't, mostly because it's an oft-repeated meaningless platitude in place of any real action.
So do you want lessons to be learnt or not? Cant say they should be and then when they say they will you say "ah no you cant keep saying that"Did the military ever learn lessons from mistakes when you were in? Maybe blue plasters instead of white in the kitchens for cuts was the most exposure you got
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Monday 18th June 17:03
Bigends said:
They arrived on the Saturday which is when the knife incident occured and left 2 1/2 days later on the Monday with the loot. I'm surprised at least a cpuple of the waggons werent pulled once they were on the road. Police would have had more than enough grounds to stop and search, dont you think?
Dont know to be honest but once they are on its more difficult to get them off. What grounds for S&S would be applicable given the Home Secretary dictat on them. Its all the Mets fault
PorkInsider said:
I'm wondering if the Thwaites scumbags wouldn't have been easier to detect at the time BiB were watching them driving off with stolen fixtures and fittings, rather than letting them disappear and then trying to track them down.
Just giving the loveable rogues a sporting chance, maybe...
Yes it would.Just giving the loveable rogues a sporting chance, maybe...
But the same problems may arise (numbers v demand).
Scrap isn't that easy to get rid of without leaving an audit trail.
pavarotti1980 said:
Dont know to be honest but once they are on its more difficult to get them off.
What grounds for S&S would be applicable given the Home Secretary dictat on them. Its all the Mets fault
Stop and search rules havent gone away - they just have to be properly and proportionately applied. In this case vehicles seen leaving a crime scene - officers would have more than reasonable grounds to suspect that the vehicles would contain stolen items.What grounds for S&S would be applicable given the Home Secretary dictat on them. Its all the Mets fault
La Liga said:
The thousands in prison would probably disagree they can live outside the law successfully. That's the issue with generalisations.
This argument has been debunked previously- those not in prison (eg those who trashed Cromer & those who trashed the brewery) probably think they can get away with things based on the fact that they have.pavarotti1980 said:
Rovinghawk said:
And we're pointing out that in both those cases & many more the various police forces stood by because enforcing the law on pikescum is considered too difficult.
Newflash- the police are there to supposedly protect the public.
are they public servants? I thought they were crown servants?Newflash- the police are there to supposedly protect the public.
pavarotti1980 said:
So do you want lessons to be learnt or not? Cant say they should be and then when they say they will you say "ah no you cant keep saying that"
I do want the lessons to be learned. I don't want the meaningless platitudes instead.rev-erend said:
Without doubt the police and law enforcement in this case are a national disgrace.
The chiefs should be hauled before a parliamentory committee and be made to answer for their actions.
They'd probably just produce the Home Office's NSIR document and show how their resources were spread over the weekend according the the prioritisation within the said document. The chiefs should be hauled before a parliamentory committee and be made to answer for their actions.
Red 4 said:
rev-erend said:
The chiefs should be hauled before a parliamentory committee and be made to answer for their actions.
I agree. Absolutely. 100%.I suspect it would backfire on HMG in spectacular fashion though, so it'll never happen.
"Yes, we had to section 5 mental heath patients in 24 hours and had 15 'vulnerable' repeat missing teenagers", etc etc.
La Liga said:
Red 4 said:
rev-erend said:
The chiefs should be hauled before a parliamentory committee and be made to answer for their actions.
I agree. Absolutely. 100%.I suspect it would backfire on HMG in spectacular fashion though, so it'll never happen.
"Yes, we had to section 5 mental heath patients in 24 hours and had 15 'vulnerable' repeat missing teenagers", etc etc.
Dorset Police have deleted a ‘racist’ post from their official Facebook page and apologised after they were challenged by a local Romany Gypsy campaigner.
The Facebook post appeared on North Dorset Facebook page and warned about buying goods from “traveller types” driving white or silver Transit vans. The post soon started gathering other racist comments from members of the public – including one that used the derogatory ‘p*key’ word.
Betty Billington, chair of Dorset based campaign group Kushti Bok, was alerted by local Gypsies and Travellers who took exception to the post and contacted Dorset police with a complaint. Shortly afterwards, the police apologised profusely and swiftly deleted the post.
The Facebook post appeared on North Dorset Facebook page and warned about buying goods from “traveller types” driving white or silver Transit vans. The post soon started gathering other racist comments from members of the public – including one that used the derogatory ‘p*key’ word.
Betty Billington, chair of Dorset based campaign group Kushti Bok, was alerted by local Gypsies and Travellers who took exception to the post and contacted Dorset police with a complaint. Shortly afterwards, the police apologised profusely and swiftly deleted the post.
La Liga said:
Red 4 said:
rev-erend said:
The chiefs should be hauled before a parliamentory committee and be made to answer for their actions.
I agree. Absolutely. 100%.I suspect it would backfire on HMG in spectacular fashion though, so it'll never happen.
"Yes, we had to section 5 mental heath patients in 24 hours and had 15 'vulnerable' repeat missing teenagers", etc etc.
The previous Chief Constable (Steve Finnigan) is on record somewhere saying Lancashire Constabulary were no longer viable as a Police Service (or words to that effect).
That was a couple of years ago iirc.
It seems he has a point.
Edit - Finnigan said they wouldn't be viable as a Police Service by 2020.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-3...
Edited by Red 4 on Monday 18th June 20:24
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