Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers
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pavarotti1980 said:
Luckily for you with that illustrious military career and pension to fall back on that wouldnt have applied eh?
My property portfolio keeps the wolf from the door & still makes me a net contributor.I'll live a decent lifestyle whilst waiting for any investigations to take place. Any news on them?
Digga said:
There's a clear, additional dimension of stress and danger; the nature of the deployments and the responsibility of the weaponry. I do not, for a moment, think other roles are the least bit 'easy' psychologically. Attending RTAs and violent crime scenes for example must be harrowing and the effects cumulative and corrosive.
OK, I see your point.IMO it's the cumulative effect of different jobs/ not having time between jobs to process everything that takes its toll though.
ARV don't tend to be deployed to everything.
It's more likely to be a "Bog Standard" Response officer who is deployed/ arrives first.
PTSD is pretty common in the police (even if some officers won't admit to it).
I have it. And it bit me badly.
Red 4 said:
PTSD is pretty common in the police (even if some officers won't admit to it).
I have it. And it bit me badly.
Some useful reading:I have it. And it bit me badly.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC36779...
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr02/higheriq.aspx
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-with-higher-I...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/high-iq...
Rovinghawk said:
My property portfolio keeps the wolf from the door & still makes me a net contributor.
I'll live a decent lifestyle whilst waiting for any investigations to take place. Any news on them?
Good for you. A net contributor to what exactly? This forum?I'll live a decent lifestyle whilst waiting for any investigations to take place. Any news on them?
Who kows, the hotline is down to the Chief Constable. Typical NHS infrastructure
Rovinghawk said:
Red 4 said:
PTSD is pretty common in the police (even if some officers won't admit to it).
I have it. And it bit me badly.
Some useful reading:I have it. And it bit me badly.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC36779...
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr02/higheriq.aspx
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-with-higher-I...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/high-iq...
Still, I didn't really expect anything less from you.
I shudder to think what may have happened to you if you were ever exposed to anything during your "army career" if those articles are to be believed.
But then again, you'd probably only see things from a distance in The Women's Auxiliary Balloon Corps.
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 20th June 13:48
Digga said:
chunder27 said:
It is about the person, not the role.
Ever the same, but if there were sufficient numbers of police officers, there would be no role for them really. the population has grown, the demographic has altered - the change in the prison population reflects some of the side effects of this growth - but the Home Office budget, like much of the rest of our infrastructure, has not kept pace.
ts like Clegg and Cameron more interested in aid and virtue signalling than grass roots stuff. Red 4 said:
IMO it's the cumulative effect of different jobs/ not having time between jobs to process everything that takes its toll though.
TBF, that is modern work/life for many careers. Many workplaces have been pared-down or dumbed-down to the extent that they exist in permanent crisis. Ask anyone in the parcel distribution industry.Red 4 said:
ARV don't tend to be deployed to everything.
No. Last two I saw were on a routine stop, pulling over a pair of young lads for doing something daft in a car.Red 4 said:
PTSD is pretty common in the police (even if some officers won't admit to it).
This I can believe and sympathise with from conversations with my mate.wc98 said:
I wonder how many MP's would be happy having their terms and conditions altered in similar ways. pensions are a serious bug bear of mine, i know the reasons for the problems, but in some cases it just reeks of maladministration by those supposedly running them.
i think you will find that MPs are constantly adjusting their remuneration and benefits upwards whilst keeping everyone else in check. The last time I looked, the pensions lifetime limit is constantly being reduced whereas MPs and the judiciary were exempt from this limit..who makes the laws........go figure...we are all in this together.
Digga said:
Red 4 said:
IMO it's the cumulative effect of different jobs/ not having time between jobs to process everything that takes its toll though.
TBF, that is modern work/life for many careers. Many workplaces have been pared-down or dumbed-down to the extent that they exist in permanent crisis. Ask anyone in the parcel distribution industry.Red 4 said:
ARV don't tend to be deployed to everything.
No. Last two I saw were on a routine stop, pulling over a pair of young lads for doing something daft in a car.Red 4 said:
PTSD is pretty common in the police (even if some officers won't admit to it).
This I can believe and sympathise with from conversations with my mate.It's obviously lost on you.
I understand that lots of jobs have a degree of stress but most incidents in the police don't involve delivering parcels.
It's a different kind of stress and your brain needs time to process stuff.
When you haven't got time to do that, one day, it can catch up with you.
It's the nature of some incidents - not the pressure (although that can also take its toll).
I'm not trying to belittle anyone with a high pressure job BTW.
Just that most people will never see certain things (Some of which is extreme).
Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 20th June 15:42
Red 4 said:
If that's meant to be funny, it isn't.
It was a peer-reviewed report from the US National Medical Library examining related factors. A fairly solid & reliable source of information, I would have thought.It was backed up by various other independent research from other organisations.
It wasn't meant to be funny, it was meant to be an examination of facts related to what you were talking about. It's a pity that you don't like what they established.
Rovinghawk said:
Red 4 said:
If that's meant to be funny, it isn't.
It was a peer-reviewed report from the US National Medical Library examining related factors. A fairly solid & reliable source of information, I would have thought.It was backed up by various other independent research from other organisations.
It wasn't meant to be funny, it was meant to be an examination of facts related to what you were talking about. It's a pity that you don't like what they established.
You know - the same Armed Forces that you hold in such high regard due to their high standards and willingness to get the job done.
The prevalence of PTSD in Police Officers is 6 times the national average by the way.
It has everything to do with exposure rather than intelligence.
Anyone with half a brain would realise that.
Seems you need to grow a few more brain cells.
Red 4 said:
The prevalence of PTSD in Police Officers is 6 times the national average by the way.
It has everything to do with exposure rather than intelligence.
Anyone with half a brain would realise that.
Seems you need to grow a few more brain cells.
Touchy about it, aren't you?It has everything to do with exposure rather than intelligence.
Anyone with half a brain would realise that.
Seems you need to grow a few more brain cells.
Research said:
Conclusions
Lower IQ exerts an adverse PTSD effect on trauma victims, with no evidence of variability by the severity of trauma they have experienced.
A pity that this directly contradicts what you've said.Lower IQ exerts an adverse PTSD effect on trauma victims, with no evidence of variability by the severity of trauma they have experienced.
My IQ's 142ish & I don't suffer from PTSD. Go figure.
Any news on the investigations into the brewery, btw?
Rovinghawk said:
A pity that this directly contradicts what you've said.
My IQ's 142ish & I don't suffer from PTSD. Go figure.
Any news on the investigations into the brewery, btw?
I am interested in this as well - there must have been plenty of evidence gathered with vehicles watched by police leaving. Have any new lessons been learned in the process? My IQ's 142ish & I don't suffer from PTSD. Go figure.
Any news on the investigations into the brewery, btw?
Are we to be told about these lessons or is deemed simply too difficult for the public to understand, the public consisting of not only average Joe's but also brain surgeons and rocket scientists...
Rovinghawk said:
A pity that this directly contradicts what you've said.
My IQ's 142ish & I don't suffer from PTSD. Go figure.
Any news on the investigations into the brewery, btw?
It doesn't contradict what I said.My IQ's 142ish & I don't suffer from PTSD. Go figure.
Any news on the investigations into the brewery, btw?
I said PTSD is (relatively) common in the police.
That's due to exposure. It isn't rocket science.
I'd get a second opinion on that IQ test if I were you.
This is an old study (2003). If anything, the prevalence of PTSD in the police will have increased IMO.
http://www.policepressure.co.uk/police-stress-rese...
Red 4 said:
It doesn't contradict what I said.
You said it's due to exposure, the report said it's insignificant.Red 4 said:
I said PTSD is (relatively) common in the police.
Nobody denied that.Red 4 said:
That's due to exposure.
So your opinion trumps various prestigious research bodies? I doubt it. The report directly contradicts this statement.Red 4 said:
I'd get a second opinion on that IQ test if I were you.
Insults when the truth doesn't suit?Red 4 said:
This is an old study (2003). If anything, the prevalence of PTSD in the police will have increased IMO.
In the last 15 years this research hasn't been refuted, ie it's stood the test of time. Prevalence will (according to linked medical research) correlate with either increased numbers of police or lower IQs; take your pick.Edited by Rovinghawk on Wednesday 20th June 17:52
Red 4 said:
So what makes the prevalence of PTSD in the police 6 times the national average ?
I don't know- you brought the statistic up, you explain it.(in a way that doesn't contradict long-standing medical research)
ETA- Based on this thread, I doubt it's due to large-scale engagement with traveller types.
Edited by Rovinghawk on Wednesday 20th June 18:01
Rovinghawk said:
Red 4 said:
PTSD is pretty common in the police (even if some officers won't admit to it).
I have it. And it bit me badly.
Some useful reading:I have it. And it bit me badly.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC36779...
http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr02/higheriq.aspx
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-with-higher-I...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/high-iq...
Sorry to read that R4, I know we don't see eye to eye on some if the issues raised on here but I hope you've got a handle on it/are getting the right sort of help.
irocfan said:
sorry RH but I think you're being a little off there. If the poor bugger suffers from PTSD (or, indeed, any form of mental illness) it's poor form to hint that "...you're thick, that's why you have it..." or similar.
Sorry to read that R4, I know we don't see eye to eye on some if the issues raised on here but I hope you've got a handle on it/are getting the right sort of help.
Some people lash out when the debate is beyond them. They're best ignored. Sorry to read that R4, I know we don't see eye to eye on some if the issues raised on here but I hope you've got a handle on it/are getting the right sort of help.
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