Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers

[Rovinghawk]

irocfan said:

sorry RH but I think you're being a little off there. If the poor bugger suffers from PTSD (or, indeed, any form of mental illness) it's poor form to hint that "...you're thick, that's why you have it..." or similar.

Whilst I see your point and would normally agree with you, bear in mind the abuse he occasionally gives out. If he can't take it then he shouldn't give it.

La Liga- linking to established medical science is a very long way from lashing out.

[Red 4]

irocfan said:

sorry RH but I think you're being a little off there. If the poor bugger suffers from PTSD (or, indeed, any form of mental illness) it's poor form to hint that "...you're thick, that's why you have it..." or similar.

Sorry to read that R4, I know we don't see eye to eye on some if the issues raised on here but I hope you've got a handle on it/are getting the right sort of help.

Catch you later.

P.S. Don't worry, I'm a big boy.

RH really doesn't bother me.
Especially if he can't get his head around some simple stats with an IQ of 142 (I think they added the 1 to make him feel better. Poor bloke.)

Edited by Red 4 on Wednesday 20th June 18:29

[pavarotti1980]

Rovinghawk said:

I don't know- you brought the statistic up, you explain it.
(in a way that doesn't contradict long-standing medical research)

ETA- Based on this thread, I doubt it's due to large-scale engagement with traveller types.

Edited by Rovinghawk on Wednesday 20th June 18:01

It's a poor paper with poor methods in a not very well regarded journal. So don't hold too much reliance on a study with 700 people in the USA. Not really a fair representation of the current situation in the UK

[pavarotti1980]

irocfan said:

sorry RH but I think you're being a little off there. If the poor bugger suffers from PTSD (or, indeed, any form of mental illness) it's poor form to hint that "...you're thick, that's why you have it..." or similar.

Sorry to read that R4, I know we don't see eye to eye on some if the issues raised on here but I hope you've got a handle on it/are getting the right sort of help.

st craic from someone with st craic........what else is expected.

You have an IQ of 140+. They say there is a fine line between genius and lunatic. I think you have proved the line is an IQ 139+ when genius stops

[Cliftonite]

"Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers".

Does anyone have anything relevant to contribute, please?

[Red 4]

Rovinghawk said:

Red 4 said:

So what makes the prevalence of PTSD in the police 6 times the national average ?

I don't know- you brought the statistic up, you explain it.

As a parting shot on the subject of PTSD in the police, this says it better than I can;

http://www.college.police.uk/News/archive/June_201...

In very simple terms. Because human.

My own opinion on the research you referred to (I.e. that PTSD has nothing to do with the severity of the trauma encountered) is that it is bks.

Repeated and prolonged exposure will also increase the risks IMO.

But then again, I'm thick. Apparently.

Edited by Red 4 on Thursday 21st June 00:45

[010101]

How could the owners of the brewery have defended their property?

If they had a Caterpillar D9 delivered and proceeded to enforce the privacy of their site, what would have happened?

Do non-government people have any power at all?

[Carrot]

Cliftonite said:

"Thwaites Brewery trashed by travellers".

Does anyone have anything relevant to contribute, please?

Indeed

Again, have any arrests been made, or are we to assume once again that the police have done nothing despite 3 days to gather evidence.

Edited for autocorrect

Edited by Carrot on Thursday 21st June 12:49

[rxe]

010101 said:

How could the owners of the brewery have defended their property?

If they had a Caterpillar D9 delivered and proceeded to enforce the privacy of their site, what would have happened?

Do non-government people have any power at all?

They would have been promptly arrested for bulldozing caravans.

[Willy Nilly]

rxe said:

010101 said:

How could the owners of the brewery have defended their property?

If they had a Caterpillar D9 delivered and proceeded to enforce the privacy of their site, what would have happened?

Do non-government people have any power at all?

They would have been promptly arrested for bulldozing caravans.

By who? They were all hiding at the station

[alfaman]

rxe said:

010101 said:

How could the owners of the brewery have defended their property?

If they had a Caterpillar D9 delivered and proceeded to enforce the privacy of their site, what would have happened?

Do non-government people have any power at all?

They would have been promptly arrested for bulldozing caravans.

Surely clearing rubbish from the brewery / private land is not an offense

[Digga]

alfaman said:

rxe said:

010101 said:

How could the owners of the brewery have defended their property?

If they had a Caterpillar D9 delivered and proceeded to enforce the privacy of their site, what would have happened?

Do non-government people have any power at all?

They would have been promptly arrested for bulldozing caravans.

Surely clearing rubbish from the brewery / private land is not an offense

On a lighter note, as good few years back now, a customer came up to see us from Surrey for a machinery demo. His mate who mate with him was still basking in the glory of his previous day's work for the local authority; moving traveler caravans with a 150hp tractor. Reckons he was pulling them off site with chains two and three at a time.

[chunder27]

I would imagine that is a task fraught with danger, they are lawless at the best of times, so if you nick their homes, just imagine what they will do!

[Digga]

chunder27 said:

I would imagine that is a task fraught with danger, they are lawless at the best of times, so if you nick their homes, just imagine what they will do!

Police had already evicted the inhabitants from site, and he was told to shift them and swiftly and cheaply as possible, which meant if there was damage as they were dragged away he was not liable and there were no persons there to either object or, potentially, get injured.

[010101]

The bulldozer is only to control the exit.

[Transmitter Man]

55palfers said:

No problem if they arrest all the drivers to start with - they must be able to prove who they are for insurance / license / permission to drive the vehicle purposes .

They are all named Smith, have the same insurance policy number and share that G-Wagon over there.

You think I'm joking?

[Dibble]

This article explains some of the changes in demand on policing. I, and I suspect most of my colleagues, would much rather be “fighting crime” than dealing with people who really should be getting looked after by other, more appropriate agencies.

That doesn’t mean I don’t care about people in crisis, because I do. I just don’t think the police are necessarily the best people to provide the care they need. Despite the protestations in the article, lack of mental health beds IS a frequent problem. A few years ago, in my area we went to a centrally managed hub for MH beds. It’s now almost a daily occurrence to hear over the radio “No beds available, county wide”.

A few years ago, the then Home Secretary, one Theresa May, said the role of the police was to “Deal with crime and the causes of crime, nothing more and nothing less”. Considering that around 80% of calls for service to the police are not crime related, there is obviously a “gap” in who picks up the jobs that aren’t “police” jobs, be that the NHS, social services or any of the other agencies.

Whether any of this has a direct relation to the lack of immediate action I don’t know, but one of the previously linked articles in this thread did say the officers on scene had to be diverted to a report of a man with a knife.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/16304708...

[anonymous-user]

I knew the 80% figure and increased MH demand, but although I suspected some incidents take longer to deal with, I had never seen a figure for it.

Be interesting to know the source, but it's hardly a surprise.

Expect to do more with less = less. Not complicated really.

[Wobbegong]

A friend’s Aunt recently retired from the police. She said the role has increasingly become that of a social worker (and she’s a raging frothy lefty).

[010101]

La Liga said:

Expect to do more with less = less. Not complicated really.

The public opinion is that the Police can protect you.

Any admission of failure is a positive step.

I believe most people could cope, if they knew more accurately how responsible for their own safety and security they are.

This incident can help demonstrate.