Three killed after being hit by a train in London.

[Mr2Mike]

Brooking10 said:

Feel free to peruse some of the immigration/knife crime/London threads

As I have said. Some not all.

By the way it takes a very poisoned mind to advocate death as a uniform punishment and a form of social cleansing.

It takes a particularly stupid mind to interpret what I said as advocating social cleansing

[Mr2Mike]

Tryke3 said:

I would go with you being quite young, i refuse to believe an adult would think its ok to bad mouth dead people around.

I see, you are one of those people who believe someones criminal history should vanish the moment they die, and they can only be praised from that point. That Vlad the third, absolutely smashing chap, wouldn't hurt a fly and had a very promising career as a kebab chef.

Tryke3 said:

When your gran dies, i want you to tell your family that she was slag, then proceed to list all the lowpoints in her life to family friends. May teach you a lesson in not being a ?

If his gran was a slag you might have a point, otherwise yes, you'd be a complete .

Lord Marylebone said:

Exactly, what can you say?

It's the same as any sport or hobby that carries a risk of injury or death.

Rugby, skiing, scuba diving, BASE jumping etc.

Not quite the same, apart from perhaps illegal base jumping.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 20th June 11:42

[cbmotorsport]

As I stated before, I have little sympathy, other than for the family and the rail workers and police that have to clear up the mess. This isn't a tale of small children who innocently wandered into a dangerous place and were tragically killed.

This is about 3 grown men, trespassing on private property and seeking thrills and validation from their underground 'community' by vandalising a particularly dangerous stretch of expensive and vital infrastructure. They weren't new to the scene from what I can ascertain, they were regular and experienced 'artists' so would have known exactly what they were doing. They also would have known exactly how dangerous that stretch of track was, due to the lack of refuge.

There are many legal graffiti walls in London and the UK where they could have expressed themselves if that's what it was about, this is more akin to climbing a mountain and sticking your flag on the summit to show that you've been there. Dangerous games, known risks, unforgiving outcomes.

[Shakermaker]

Mr2Mike said:

Tryke3 said:

I would go with you being quite young, i refuse to believe an adult would think its ok to bad mouth dead people around.

I see, you are one of those people who believe someones criminal history should vanish the moment they die, and they can only be praised from that point. That Vlad the third, absolutely smashing chap, wouldn't hurt a fly and had a very promising career as a kebab chef.

Tryke3 said:

When your gran dies, i want you to tell your family that she was slag, then proceed to list all the lowpoints in her life to family friends. May teach you a lesson in not being a ?

If his gran was a slag you might have a point, otherwise yes, you'd be a complete .

Lord Marylebone said:

Exactly, what can you say?

It's the same as any sport or hobby that carries a risk of injury or death.

Rugby, skiing, scuba diving, BASE jumping etc.

Not quite the same, apart from perhaps illegal base jumping.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 20th June 11:42

But.. the "promising footballer" line is nearly always a quote from an affected family member talking to a reporter.

So when Little Timmy, who spends his week truant from school, nicking cars, mugging old women and shooting cats with his air rifle, but his weekends are spent with his dad (on visitation) kicking a ball around the park before a McDonalds Happy Meal, is killed by one of the cars he nicks, the family are going to say "we loved Little Timmy, he loved playing football and playing with his friends, he will be missed" etc etc.

There's none so blind as those who will not see, but then, are you really going to want to admit that your child is a little st when asked how you feel about them in the immediate point after their untimely death, even if that death was brought about by their own misadventure?

[Timmy45]

Shakermaker said:

So when Little Timmy, who spends his week truant from school, nicking cars, mugging old women and shooting cats with his air rifle.

[saaby93]

Shakermaker said:

But.. the "promising footballer" line is nearly always a quote from an affected family member talking to a reporter.
?

Didnt it crop up in this thread too
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Shakermaker]

Timmy45 said:

Shakermaker said:

So when Little Timmy, who spends his week truant from school, nicking cars, mugging old women and shooting cats with his air rifle.

Ha! Unconscious choice I guess. I guess having seen your name a few times in the thread it came up...

Have I struck a nerve

[Digga]

Shakermaker said:

Timmy45 said:

Shakermaker said:

So when Little Timmy, who spends his week truant from school, nicking cars, mugging old women and shooting cats with his air rifle.

Ha! Unconscious choice I guess. I guess having seen your name a few times in the thread it came up...

Have I struck a nerve

Na, you got 'im bang to rights! Good work.

[Cotty]

I hope this discourages other people from risking their lives trespassing on the rail lines.

[Trevatanus]

Cotty said:

I hope this discourages other people from risking their lives trespassing on the rail lines.

Of course it won't. It will be forgotten about this time next week.

[fido]

Trevatanus said:

Of course it won't. It will be forgotten about this time next week.

Well I doubt any of their fellow 'artists' will be having a go in the next week .. or they'll at least have a peruse of the train timetable this time.

[anonymous-user]

Mr2Mike said:

Brooking10 said:

Feel free to peruse some of the immigration/knife crime/London threads

As I have said. Some not all.

By the way it takes a very poisoned mind to advocate death as a uniform punishment and a form of social cleansing.

It takes a particularly stupid mind to interpret what I said as advocating social cleansing

Scum, world’s better off, they deserve it, etc. etc.

It’s a near constant diatribe in certain NPE quarters.

[saaby93]

fido said:

Trevatanus said:

Of course it won't. It will be forgotten about this time next week.

Well I doubt any of their fellow 'artists' will be having a go in the next week .. or they'll at least have a peruse of the train timetable this time.

Was it due to the new timetabling?

[Trevatanus]

saaby93 said:

fido said:

Trevatanus said:

Of course it won't. It will be forgotten about this time next week.

Well I doubt any of their fellow 'artists' will be having a go in the next week .. or they'll at least have a peruse of the train timetable this time.

Was it due to the new timetabling?

If you ask the RMT, I am sure it will be somehow connected to the disgraceful decision to remove guards from trains.

[Pothole]

anonymous said:

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highly unlikely that his/her livelihood would be affected by any investigation. Even if a driver sees someone on the track 500m away (for example) at 50mph (eg again) they're not going to be able to stop in time to miss the person. Emergency brake actuation and horn sounding is the usual expected response, but it appears the driver(s) of the service(s) which actually hit these 3 were unaware. There could be an effect by them not being able to continue to drive if they are traumatised and it does happen, but I seriously doubt any driver will be officially blamed for the deaths. (is that what you meant?)

[The Selfish Gene]

Mr2Mike said:

Not quite the same, apart from perhaps illegal base jumping.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Wednesday 20th June 11:42

base jumping isn't illegal - sorry to be pedantic - just saying.

And to save responses..........the law broken is the trespass law. As long as you leave when asked, they can't do you for it.

They do now and again get grumpy and call the police, whom usually tell them the same thing.

As long as you haven't broken in to gain access and don't get fighty with security if they push you around etc.

[Digga]

Pothole said:

...it appears the driver(s) of the service(s) which actually hit these 3 were unaware...

The three deceased my well have been beside the tracks, attempting and failing not to get dragged under the train by the low pressure wave, so it's very possible they didn't hit the front of the train, but rather were sucked into the side of the train or under it. The driver wouldn't even notice that.

[entropy]

Lord Marylebone said:

Very sad for young people to lose their lives.

I'm one of these people that considers graffiti to be a fairly harmless pastime, and more than that I really like it as an art form.

Style Wars is one of my favourite documentaries of all time. One of the greatest opening sequences to such a film, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EW22LzSaJA

"New York City, 1982"


I will add that I do subscribe to the 'Broken Windows' theory of crime in urban areas, and I accept that Graffiti is a contributor, but nevertheless I cannot help but stare in wonder at some of the pieces I see.

Fellow fan of graffiti here more than street art (there is a difference!). Whenever I visit a city the first thing I look for is graffiti. I'm more a fan of 'wildstyle' pieces (as well as the film!).

A bit ignorant to call them scum. Some people who started off as taggers/writers move into legit work street art, mural pieces etc; some move into the art world eg. Keith Haring, Jean Michel Basquiat were part of the biggest names in the 1980s art world started off vandalising property with a marker pen. I know a graphic designer who did artwork and visuals for some of the biggest names in music who started off doing graffiti.

Those who are open minded documentary film called Bomb It is worth a watch.

[saaby93]

entropy said:

Lord Marylebone said:

Very sad for young people to lose their lives.

I'm one of these people that considers graffiti to be a fairly harmless pastime, and more than that I really like it as an art form.

Style Wars is one of my favourite documentaries of all time. One of the greatest opening sequences to such a film, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EW22LzSaJA

"New York City, 1982"


I will add that I do subscribe to the 'Broken Windows' theory of crime in urban areas, and I accept that Graffiti is a contributor, but nevertheless I cannot help but stare in wonder at some of the pieces I see.

Fellow fan of graffiti here more than street art (there is a difference!). Whenever I visit a city the first thing I look for is graffiti. I'm more a fan of 'wildstyle' pieces (as well as the film!).

A bit ignorant to call them scum. Some people who started off as taggers/writers move into legit work street art, mural pieces etc; some move into the art world eg. Keith Haring, Jean Michel Basquiat were part of the biggest names in the 1980s art world started off vandalising property with a marker pen. I know a graphic designer who did artwork and visuals for some of the biggest names in music who started off doing graffiti.

Those who are open minded documentary film called Bomb It is worth a watch.

Surely there ought to be a legal place for it not on other peoples property

Doesnt it go back to the my stuff is my stuff, your stuff is your stuff in the mopeds thread

[crankedup]

anonymous said:

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Utter nonsense to suggest the exit door, posters are perfectly correct to state thier opinion regarding most issues within mods rules. This is what makes a debate, opposing pov.
As for the bad mouthing of the dead, imo, very very poor form.