Three killed after being hit by a train in London.

[Mr2Mike]

Brooking10 said:

Scum, world’s better off, they deserve it, etc. etc.

It’s a near constant diatribe in certain NPE quarters.

You are either a little confused as to what "social cleansing" means, or perhaps indulging in a spot of mouth frothing hyperbole. I'm not advocating murdering the scum or their wholesale removal from particular areas (i.e. social cleansing), but if they kill themselves then society has hardly lost it's more valuable members.

The Selfish Gene said:

base jumping isn't illegal - sorry to be pedantic - just saying

By "illegal base jumping" I'm referring to those that break the law on order to indulge in their hobby, rather than it being illegal in general terms (though it is in some places).

[Deptford Draylons]

Ape X and Brooking10, sure do make PH threads entertaining when they go off on one.

[fido]

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think this is good art. Don't get me wrong - I love street art and will often walk around Shoreditch in my lunchtime and muse at the murals on Brick Lane - you get a feel for the different artists and their styles. But this stuff is just infantile gibberish, saying it's 'art' is like saying the turd I carefully laid in my toilet bowl this morning is 'art' - they are just filling space with paint can scribblings - nothing new, nothing interesting - so you're left with the risk element and illegality. That's not enough to make it art - going back to my turd analogy if I shat on a Class 458 at speed would it be artistic or would I just be a massive bell-end?

[anonymous-user]

Deptford Draylons said:

Ape X and Brooking10, sure do make PH threads entertaining when they go off on one.

Why thank you

Whilst I appreciate it wasn’t necessarily a compliment anybody with a penchant for classic Smashie and Nicey can’t be all bad

[uk66fastback]

Okay, so I'm not concerned or pleased they're dead - for their families it's a shock obviously, and I feel sad for them, but for the rest of society, are we bothered by their demise? No, I don't think so.

Those trains must be either damn quiet, or go VERY close to the edge of that bridge though ... how come it got all three?

Someone said headphones earlier - I wouldn't bet against it ...

[Digga]

uk66fastback said:

Those trains must be either damn quiet, or go VERY close to the edge of that bridge though ... how come it got all three?

When I was young and foolish, me and my mates used to cross the West Coast mainline to get to some woods we'd built rope swings and stuff in. You would not believe how close a train can get to you without you hearing or seeing it (even though you are listening out for them) when it's running to even a modest breeze.

[Resolutionary]

I adore graffiti. Street art is cool and all, but graffiti and the culture surrounding it fascinate me. In my youth I dabbled, as did a great many of my friends - some of whom's work can still be seen in and around London decades on.

It is a tragedy when any life is cut short and there are some speculative / dubious elements to the situation in question. It is not part of the plan to get killed while doing graffiti - the primary purpose is to get your name out there and aim to find spots to daub which are more and more challenging / impressive (delete as per your viewpoint).

This will not be seen as a lesson. People will continue to risk their lives, young and old, to spray their names about the place. I'm personally happy this is the case. Rarely do you find any tags end up on your front door; it's all about hitting public property and there are infinite documentaries where writers will tell you the same. It's a branch of hip-hop like scratching and b-boying, and moreso in this Instafamous world we reside now it is one of the few analogue ways left for people to 'get up'.

[Stedman]

uk66fastback said:

Okay, so I'm not concerned or pleased they're dead - for their families it's a shock obviously, and I feel sad for them, but for the rest of society, are we bothered by their demise? No, I don't think so.

Those trains must be either damn quiet, or go VERY close to the edge of that bridge though ... how come it got all three?

Someone said headphones earlier - I wouldn't bet against it ...

They're incredibly quiet until one is 'on top of you'. I speak from experience.

[zetec]

Hairy Biscuit said:

This was their last "artwork" from the night they were killed.

What a shame. I was kind of hoping that they were talented artists bringing a bit of colour to an otherwise drab scene. Turns out they were mindless vandals, live by the sword die by the sword. RIP

[Resolutionary]

zetec said:

What a shame. I was kind of hoping that they were talented artists bringing a bit of colour to an otherwise drab scene. Turns out they were mindless vandals, live by the sword die by the sword. RIP

Those 'talented artists' will also, 9/10 be involved in the 'mindless vandalism' part too - if that's how you define tagging. The two are definitely not mutually exclusive, both are part of the graffiti scene and both are carried out by all that partake.

And those that are 'mindless vandals' may go on to become 'talented artists'. Folks gotta start somewhere.

[Timmy45]

Resolutionary said:

zetec said:

What a shame. I was kind of hoping that they were talented artists bringing a bit of colour to an otherwise drab scene. Turns out they were mindless vandals, live by the sword die by the sword. RIP

Those 'talented artists' will also, 9/10 be involved in the 'mindless vandalism' part too - if that's how you define tagging. The two are definitely not mutually exclusive, both are part of the graffiti scene and both are carried out by all that partake.

And those that are 'mindless vandals' may go on to become 'talented artists'. Folks gotta start somewhere.

Thing is one mans art is another mans mess. You may like it, but a lot of people think it looks awful, including it seems to owners of the property in question.

[Resolutionary]

Timmy45 said:

Resolutionary said:

zetec said:

What a shame. I was kind of hoping that they were talented artists bringing a bit of colour to an otherwise drab scene. Turns out they were mindless vandals, live by the sword die by the sword. RIP

Those 'talented artists' will also, 9/10 be involved in the 'mindless vandalism' part too - if that's how you define tagging. The two are definitely not mutually exclusive, both are part of the graffiti scene and both are carried out by all that partake.

And those that are 'mindless vandals' may go on to become 'talented artists'. Folks gotta start somewhere.

Thing is one mans art is another mans mess. You may like it, but a lot of people think it looks awful, including it seems to owners of the property in question.

I fully agree. Part of the beauty of humanity is the variation of what makes us tick, and what ticks us off.

[loafer123]

Resolutionary said:

Timmy45 said:

Resolutionary said:

zetec said:

What a shame. I was kind of hoping that they were talented artists bringing a bit of colour to an otherwise drab scene. Turns out they were mindless vandals, live by the sword die by the sword. RIP

Those 'talented artists' will also, 9/10 be involved in the 'mindless vandalism' part too - if that's how you define tagging. The two are definitely not mutually exclusive, both are part of the graffiti scene and both are carried out by all that partake.

And those that are 'mindless vandals' may go on to become 'talented artists'. Folks gotta start somewhere.

Thing is one mans art is another mans mess. You may like it, but a lot of people think it looks awful, including it seems to owners of the property in question.

I fully agree. Part of the beauty of humanity is the variation of what makes us tick, and what ticks us off.

And yet, our democracy sets the rules by which we live our lives and graffiti taggers break those laws.

I like art, have a particular liking of Banksy, but tagging isn't art, it is the intellectual equivalent of cocking your leg and pissing like a dog on your territory.

[Lanker22]

Resolutionary said:

I adore graffiti. Street art is cool and all, but graffiti and the culture surrounding it fascinate me. In my youth I dabbled, as did a great many of my friends - some of whom's work can still be seen in and around London decades on.

It is a tragedy when any life is cut short and there are some speculative / dubious elements to the situation in question. It is not part of the plan to get killed while doing graffiti - the primary purpose is to get your name out there and aim to find spots to daub which are more and more challenging / impressive (delete as per your viewpoint).

This will not be seen as a lesson. People will continue to risk their lives, young and old, to spray their names about the place. I'm personally happy this is the case. Rarely do you find any tags end up on your front door; it's all about hitting public property and there are infinite documentaries where writers will tell you the same. It's a branch of hip-hop like scratching and b-boying, and moreso in this Instafamous world we reside now it is one of the few analogue ways left for people to 'get up'.

I can't tell if this post is serious or not.

[Resolutionary]

Lanker22 said:

I can't tell if this post is serious or not.

Totally.

[Resolutionary]

loafer123 said:

And yet, our democracy sets the rules by which we live our lives and graffiti taggers break those laws.

I like art, have a particular liking of Banksy, but tagging isn't art, it is the intellectual equivalent of cocking your leg and pissing like a dog on your territory.

Banksy breaks the law by highlighting the inadequacies of democracy / capitalism etc through the medium of paint in public spaces. It's one of the many branches of graffiti.

[Digga]

anonymous said:

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I think it depends whether it's humourous or not. One of the best efforts I ever saw was scrawled in black marker pen, on the the seatback of a Finglands double-decker bus on the Manchester Uni/Poly route from Fallowfield, it read:

"Salford single mothers kick to kill."

[P5BNij]

ape x said:

P5BNij said:

ape x said:

Timmy45 said:

Pothole said:

ape x said:

Graffiti is what it is, if you wanted to get into it it could be argued it's in human nature from early man doing cave drawings etc etc.
It is an Art form and regardless of whether you like it or not or if you think it is a crime, basking on glee at the death of human beings is a bit absurd and very gammon.

Erm, graffiti is an offence of criminal damage whether anyone thinks it is or not. Cave drawings depicting everyday life for posterity are very different from tags. I agree that any glee over another's death is distasteful in the extreme. Welcome to PH.

It's not glee, it's more a reaction to the attempt to whip up an out pouring of grief for 3 adult morons who decided to trespass on a railway track, ignored all the warning signs, and got run over. The utter tts.

Where?
Their friends and family and some fellow Artists have paid tribute, the rest is simply reporting. You are making up st in your head Gammon to make you angry....
Personally as someone who used to commute on the trains around London much of the graffiti cheered up some God awful st holes which the train companies neglected.

The God awful st holes I pass through when driving trains around parts of London look like God awful st holes because of the God awful st graffiti. Mind you, the God awful weeds don't help much either.

I thought 'Gammon' went out of fashion at least a fortnight ago...

Pointless job which is only still done by humans because of Bob Crow.... have you not got a strike to go to?

School getting a bit much for you is it? It must be awfully dark under that bridge of yours.

I belong to a different union and have never gone on strike, nor have I ever wanted to.

Edited by P5BNij on Thursday 21st June 12:28

Edited by P5BNij on Thursday 21st June 12:29

[Resolutionary]

anonymous said:

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It's egotistical sticking your name on a bridge. And perhaps insight to the community that follows graffiti (and yes, there is one).

anonymous said:

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Of course it's graffiti. And vandalism.

anonymous said:

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It's a public space. I don't necessarily want to see lycra clad cyclists arsing their way past my wing mirrors, but they choose their hobby / attire and I choose to live and let live.

anonymous said:

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Pretty dissimilar.

[fathomfive]

anonymous said:

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I guess he'd feel the same if he had a 'tag' keyed into the bodywork of his car.

They're just misunderstood artists.