Three killed after being hit by a train in London.

[Pothole]

super7 said:

anonymous said:

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Unfortunately it does register..... I was unlucky enough to be on a train going through a station at speed when some unfortunate person decided to jump in front of it. The noise it made was quite noticeable to the point where I initially thought that the diff on one of the front bogeys had exploded it was the only thing I could think of mechanically which could make such a sound! Let's just say it was something else exploding!

Have to say the driver was exemplorary through the whole situation considering what happened. Incredibly calm and professional. I would have been a jibbering wreck.

If these trespassers had of been standing at the side and got dragged under, I could imagine the driver not hearing, and consdering the train would have been empty nobody else would have heard the noise either....

It was (most likely) a freight service. They are generally empty of passengers, yes.

The full details of exactly what happened are still under investigation, it appears, so any and all speculation is pointless, especially tabloid stir-ups, but including yours.

[bitchstewie]

Timmy45 said:

bhstewie said:

Timmy45 said:

Maybe not, but I'd still be thinking silly sod, what a daft thing to do. Especially at the age of 20!

I think "silly sod, what a daft thing to do", that's normal.

Almost relishing in someone's death over something so trivial isn't normal.

Whose been doing that?

When you get comments such as "If they were up to no good - fk em" you can play semantics but the tone and intent seems pretty clear.

[Moonhawk]

Resolutionary said:

It would be equally correct for me to rebut that while public property is paid for by us collectively, the 'us' in question will invariably include a fair few graffers with day jobs.

I doubt many of them are net tax payers. For the ones that are - is their financial contribution outweighed by the cost in terms of damage and cleanup caused by them and their ilk?

[Resolutionary]

Moonhawk said:

Resolutionary said:

It would be equally correct for me to rebut that while public property is paid for by us collectively, the 'us' in question will invariably include a fair few graffers with day jobs.

I doubt many of them are net tax payers. For the ones that are - is their financial contribution outweighed by the cost in terms of damage and cleanup caused by them and their ilk?

Perhaps not immediately. But you might be surprised to learn how many top tier artists, graphic designers, musicians and other creative types have either dabbled in, or been heavily involved in graffiti. It is entirely possible that the lifetime contributions of even a portion of those who succeed after a stint doing graffiti will outweigh those that don't, and the peripheral costs.

[super7]

Pothole said:

It was (most likely) a freight service. They are generally empty of passengers, yes.

The full details of exactly what happened are still under investigation, it appears, so any and all speculation is pointless, especially tabloid stir-ups, but including yours.

Ah ok.... Thanks for keeping me up to date on things.

oh and..... 'it was (most likely) a freight service' .... but if not it could been an empty passenger train..... or even an alien train from mars.... hmmm even more Speculation!

[The Mad Monk]

Freight train, passenger train (empty), passenger train (passengers), maintenance crew train?

It's bonne la douche, innit?

[Ali Chappussy]

anonymous said:

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I agree 100%, total, and utter, bks. I wonder what some of our posters have between their fking ears.

[baldy1926]

Pity no one would have the balls to bill the families for the clean up costs.

[Ali Chappussy]

baldy1926 said:

Pity no one would have the balls to bill the families for the clean up costs.

I'm waiting for the families to try and sue the rail company you mashed up their kids!

[Resolutionary]

Ali Chappussy said:

I wonder what some of our posters have between their fking ears.

I agree.

[cbmotorsport]

Resolutionary said:

Perhaps not immediately. But you might be surprised to learn how many top tier artists, graphic designers, musicians and other creative types have either dabbled in, or been heavily involved in graffiti. It is entirely possible that the lifetime contributions of even a portion of those who succeed after a stint doing graffiti will outweigh those that don't, and the peripheral costs.

Lol.

The thing is, and I stand to be corrected, Grafitti is different to tagging right? I've seen some fantastic, talented grafitti that one in the right places is a genuine benefit to the surroundings, but tagging is pretty mindless attention seeking by scrawling your 'handle' in dangerous places for kudos and thrills.

[Pothole]

cbmotorsport said:

Resolutionary said:

Perhaps not immediately. But you might be surprised to learn how many top tier artists, graphic designers, musicians and other creative types have either dabbled in, or been heavily involved in graffiti. It is entirely possible that the lifetime contributions of even a portion of those who succeed after a stint doing graffiti will outweigh those that don't, and the peripheral costs.

Lol.

The thing is, and I stand to be corrected, Grafitti is different to tagging right? I've seen some fantastic, talented grafitti that one in the right places is a genuine benefit to the surroundings, but tagging is pretty mindless attention seeking by scrawling your 'handle' in dangerous places for kudos and thrills.

All tags are graffiti, not all graffiti are tags.

[Jazzy Jag]

saaby93 said:

They could have spent their evening posting on PH

And they would still be alive..

[Mr2Mike]

Resolutionary said:

I adore graffiti. Street art is cool and all, but graffiti and the culture surrounding it fascinate me. In my youth I dabbled, as did a great many of my friends - some of whom's work can still be seen in and around London decades on.

It is a tragedy when any life is cut short and there are some speculative / dubious elements to the situation in question. It is not part of the plan to get killed while doing graffiti - the primary purpose is to get your name out there and aim to find spots to daub which are more and more challenging / impressive (delete as per your viewpoint).

This will not be seen as a lesson. People will continue to risk their lives, young and old, to spray their names about the place. I'm personally happy this is the case. Rarely do you find any tags end up on your front door; it's all about hitting public property and there are infinite documentaries where writers will tell you the same. It's a branch of hip-hop like scratching and b-boying, and moreso in this Instafamous world we reside now it is one of the few analogue ways left for people to 'get up'.

In summary:

You and your friends were vandals.
You enjoy vandalising, and the vandalism of others.
You are glad that the deaths of these three vandals won't put off other vandals from their vandalising.

[billshoreham]

Resolutionary said:

I adore graffiti. Street art is cool and all, but graffiti and the culture surrounding it fascinate me. In my youth I dabbled, as did a great many of my friends - some of whom's work can still be seen in and around London decades on.

It is a tragedy when any life is cut short and there are some speculative / dubious elements to the situation in question. It is not part of the plan to get killed while doing graffiti - the primary purpose is to get your name out there and aim to find spots to daub which are more and more challenging / impressive (delete as per your viewpoint).

This will not be seen as a lesson. People will continue to risk their lives, young and old, to spray their names about the place. I'm personally happy this is the case. Rarely do you find any tags end up on your front door; it's all about hitting public property and there are infinite documentaries where writers will tell you the same. It's a branch of hip-hop like scratching and b-boying, and moreso in this Instafamous world we reside now it is one of the few analogue ways left for people to 'get up'.

In summary:

a reasonable opinion put in a decent way, unlike some of the posts on this topic.

[ciege]

anonymous said:

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marvelous, bravo Sir

[billshoreham]

there's 2 above for example.

[ciege]

The thing here however, is that these three where entirely responsible for their own illegal actions which led to their demise.

Other than for those dealing with the aftermath, I'm not sure why I should feel anything.

They presumably were not mentally ill, depressed or suicidal, they were stupid.

The ol'argument of 'we all did stupid things' just doesn't hold water. In my 45 years I've never defaced anything with a spraycan, nor judging by the amount of people times the amount of ste sprayed all over, most people haven't either.

In fact, based on the general lack of graffiti, I'd wager it's a minority of people who do it.

[poo at Paul's]

MDMetal said:

Resolutionary said:

anonymous said:

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It's a public space. I don't necessarily want to see lycra clad cyclists arsing their way past my wing mirrors, but they choose their hobby / attire and I choose to live and let live.

Heh I like the idea that parts of a building someone owns is considered public space (it's not) or can I come and paint stuff on the outside of your house?

You do the C and the N, I'll do the U...……..

[foxbody-87]

super7 said:

Unfortunately it does register..... I was unlucky enough to be on a train going through a station at speed when some unfortunate person decided to jump in front of it. The noise it made was quite noticeable to the point where I initially thought that the diff on one of the front bogeys had exploded it was the only thing I could think of mechanically which could make such a sound! Let's just say it was something else exploding!

Have to say the driver was exemplorary through the whole situation considering what happened. Incredibly calm and professional. I would have been a jibbering wreck.

If these trespassers had of been standing at the side and got dragged under, I could imagine the driver not hearing, and consdering the train would have been empty nobody else would have heard the noise either....

Freight locomotives are pretty heavy though and much noisier in the cab, although I’m not sure which train hit them. There were three rail workers in the 80s who got run over in darkness by a freight train doing walking pace - the driver didn’t even know he had hit them and it was the driver of a following engineering train that spotted them