Three killed after being hit by a train in London.

[bitchstewie]

The Selfish Gene said:

If you're singing in the street after the pub, and get run over, that's not a crime either? That's just being a bit daft and not looking before you cross the road? If you're drunk and disorderly - and get hit by a car I wouldn't give a fk no.

It's great being all badass on the internet and stuff but if one of your mates goes out and gets a bit pissed up and gets run over and your genuine view is "I wouldn't give a fk no" it isn't something I'd be shouting about.

[The Selfish Gene]

bhstewie said:

The Selfish Gene said:

If you're singing in the street after the pub, and get run over, that's not a crime either? That's just being a bit daft and not looking before you cross the road? If you're drunk and disorderly - and get hit by a car I wouldn't give a fk no.

It's great being all badass on the internet and stuff but if one of your mates goes out and gets a bit pissed up and gets run over and your genuine view is "I wouldn't give a fk no" it isn't something I'd be shouting about.

well that's an emotional response to my words. I've lost 7 good friends in varying circumstances. Of course I gave a fk.

It's not badass at all to say I don't give a fk about 3 strangers getting hit by a train doing something illegal.

It's just most people's view.

The same as you don't give a fk that 7 of my mates have died or been killed in the last 15 years. Why would you.

[bitchstewie]

The Selfish Gene said:

well that's an emotional response to my words. I've lost 7 good friends in varying circumstances. Of course I gave a fk.

It's not badass at all to say I don't give a fk about 3 strangers getting hit by a train doing something illegal.

It's just most people's view.

The same as you don't give a fk that 7 of my mates have died or been killed in the last 15 years. Why would you.

I wouldn't have said it was emotional, it's just odd to me how many people seem to go out of their way to say just how little they care when if they really didn't care they'd probably just say nothing.

I'm sorry to hear about your friends, and of course I'm saying that out of politeness to some degree because as you said, I didn't know them.

[The Selfish Gene]

bhstewie said:

I wouldn't have said it was emotional, it's just odd to me how many people seem to go out of their way to say just how little they care when if they really didn't care they'd probably just say nothing.

I'm sorry to hear about your friends, and of course I'm saying that out of politeness to some degree because as you said, I didn't know them.

thanks for the politeness though.

I tend to look at the internet a different way. It's a bit like being drunk. You can say your true feelings. The need to be polite is removed.

I genuinely believe it takes a lot to care about a stranger's self induced death by doing something illegal.

Also in modern society - we are saturated 24 hours a day with death. Suicides, to terrorism, to murders, to accidents. It's hard to have enough sympathy to go around.


bottom of the pile is surely someone that has died doing something illegal.

That's why the thread has gone this way in my view.

[Cold]

Resolutionary said:

Not to be pedantic, but I didn't in any way ask if Banksy was anything. I have tried to be pretty specific about the incident in question, but flipped the tagging which appears to be the main hang up for lots of folks here.

Same difference. Hay Wain or illegible scrawl. Without the permission of the property owner it's a thuggish and scummy thing to do.

[Resolutionary]

Cold said:

Resolutionary said:

Not to be pedantic, but I didn't in any way ask if Banksy was anything. I have tried to be pretty specific about the incident in question, but flipped the tagging which appears to be the main hang up for lots of folks here.

Same difference. Hay Wain or illegible scrawl. Without the permission of the property owner it's a thuggish and scummy thing to do.

Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.

Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.

[saaby93]

Resolutionary said:

don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.

was there any umbrage with the activity before you were born?

[Cold]

Resolutionary said:

Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.

Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.

Yes, the owners of the defaced property may well find it thuggish and scummy and many do. They are the most important opinions in these situations. Critical acclaim from third parties mean little to those who have to pay for ongoing repairs to their damaged property.

I expect if someone really wanted graffiti to be sprayed across something they own then they'd either do it themselves or ask a non-splattered "artist" to express themselves. That's not liking different things, that's liking your things to be left alone.

[poo at Paul's]

Resolutionary said:

Cold said:

Resolutionary said:

Not to be pedantic, but I didn't in any way ask if Banksy was anything. I have tried to be pretty specific about the incident in question, but flipped the tagging which appears to be the main hang up for lots of folks here.

Same difference. Hay Wain or illegible scrawl. Without the permission of the property owner it's a thuggish and scummy thing to do.

Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.

Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.

Paint your own st, leave ours alone.

[James_B]

Mr2Mike said:

In summary:

You and your friends were vandals.
You enjoy vandalising, and the vandalism of others.
You are glad that the deaths of these three vandals won't put off other vandals from their vandalising.

While most things in human existence seem to be on a continuum, I wonder if the pro-social / anti-social axis is more polarised.

I cannot imagine grafitting, vandalising, stealing, mugging, defrauding, raping or any other sort of criminal activity like that, but I imagine that those who do look on with similar scorn at people like me, who are at their desk at seven every morning, ready to work, and who as a result have a few homes, a good pension fund, and the respect of “traditional” society.

When I see grafitti, it saddens me. Someone designed that bridge, canal, or house, someone commissioned it, and paid for it, and someone else took possession of it, each stage was done with care and consideration, and then some tt defaces it.

Are we becoming Morlocks and Eloi, and should we accept that those of us who do the right thing should pay money to support the lifestyles of those who don’t?

[James_B]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I agree. It was the sort of thing that only a moron could write.

Would it have been a tragedy had Fred West been topped at twenty five? Would it have been bad for humanity had Harold Shipman been run over before he started on his killing spree?

A nurse heading to her shift being run over by a stolen car is a tragedy. A rapist being hit by a bus as he ran towards his next victim is fortune smiling on us.

[James_B]

Cotty said:

The only residential homes I see targeted by graffiti back onto rail tracks. However I am sure they would prefer if they did not have graffiti on their home.

Sadly that’s not true. As I said above I see houses on my commute where the gable end of a nice new family home is covered with outsized tags.

Every night the owner will come home and see that their property has been desecrated.

[Resolutionary]

saaby93 said:

as there any umbrage with the activity before you were born?

Anything you can name has people for and against it.

poo at Paul's said:

Paint your own st, leave ours alone.

Valuable insight, duly noted.

Cold said:

Yes, the owners of the defaced property may well find it thuggish and scummy and many do. They are the most important opinions in these situations. Critical acclaim from third parties mean little to those who have to pay for ongoing repairs to their damaged property.

I expect if someone really wanted graffiti to be sprayed across something they own then they'd either do it themselves or ask a non-splattered "artist" to express themselves. That's not liking different things, that's liking your things to be left alone.

Train companies and the like build repair and repaint costs into their business models, have done for ages. Not ideal at all, but a necessary part of the industry. Just like Facebook et al set aside money for fines they'll inevitably face for data breaches and so on.

And for the record, although I suspect you know this, many graffiti artists are commissioned by all sorts of businesses for branding and marketing projects, globally.

James_B said:

Sadly that’s not true. As I said above I see houses on my commute where the gable end of a nice new family home is covered with outsized tags.

Every night the owner will come home and see that their property has been desecrated.

Got a photo?

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Resolutionary said:

And for the record, although I suspect you know this, many graffiti artists are commissioned by all sorts of businesses for branding and marketing projects, globally.

Really? So business are commissioning scumbags to paint their tags on railway bridges? I didn't know that but it must make perfect business sense to do so.

[saaby93]

Resolutionary said:

saaby93 said:

Was there any umbrage with the activity before you were born?

Anything you can name has people for and against it.

my stuff is my stuff, your stuff is your stuff
Do what you like with your stuff, leave my stuff alone
simples

[Rovinghawk]

Resolutionary said:

Train companies and the like build repair and repaint costs into their business models, have done for ages. Not ideal at all, but a necessary part of the industry.

It is not necessary to vandalise.

[RemyMartin81D]

Rovinghawk said:

Resolutionary said:

Train companies and the like build repair and repaint costs into their business models, have done for ages. Not ideal at all, but a necessary part of the industry.

It is not necessary to vandalise.

Its also utter bullst.


Wow, you do get some howlers on PH from time to time lol.

[Smiler.]

Rovinghawk said:

Resolutionary said:

Train companies and the like build repair and repaint costs into their business models, have done for ages. Not ideal at all, but a necessary part of the industry.

It is not necessary to vandalise.

Documentary programmes about the London Underground state that the bare aluminium bodies of the trains have to be painted to deal with the inane markings of the ignorants. This adds a few tons of weight & reduces efficiency.

Guten tag.

[mcdjl]

Resolutionary said:

There are some pretty impressive pieces of graffiti on mainline tracks too - objectively so. It seems quite hard for people to grasp that illegal activities are not solely the jurisdiction of asshats. To use the earlier analogy of speeding - I can bet a great many PHers routinely do so, which by your logic means they're moronic, and that is probably not true across the board.

Actually you'd probably find a lot of oh would consider them to be moronic in that case. No one cares if a speeding driver gets fined. The local paper will be full of blame for them if they have a crash. They may be the most talented race driver ever, but by don't that at the wrong time / place they take a gamble. You sometimes lose gambles so don't be shocked. That's not to say I think they deserved to die.
Fwiw 99% of graffiti looks crap. Writing your name (sorry, tag) can be done by most 5yr olds.

[anonymous-user]

James_B said:

people like me, who are at their desk at seven every morning, ready to work, and who as a result have a few homes, a good pension fund, and the respect of “traditional” society.

Every fking thread. Stay classy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8