Three killed after being hit by a train in London.
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
I’d say there’s a lot more ‘class’ in the posts Resolutionary has been making - interesting and thoughtful stuff without the tedious judgmental cliches or a need to be constantly going on about his own accomplishments.
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Roman Rhodes said:
It’s funny, the way people get so angry with people who’ve always just got their head down and worked hard.May I ask, are you a bit left wing? There is nothing those on the left are more annoyed by than someone who gives the lie to the narrative that the game is rigged and there is no way to be born poor but do well.
Edited by James_B on Saturday 23 June 21:17
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
It IS classy. What isn't classy is being a scumbag who vandalises other people's property or being the kind of fool that supports them because it's "art"
It is strange isn’t it, that we have posters who will defend vandals but be angered by someone who gets up early, goes to work, and does the best that they can.anonymous said:
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That's great tonker :-)Also what makes it even better is that it's in your house for you to enjoy.
Not f
king dawbed all over the fking place, then again I guess it's too much like real art for those s....t-on-ker perhaps sprayed in ste rattle cans up some poor bds wall.....!!!Roman Rhodes said:
Smiler. said:
Roman Rhodes said:
But you are making things up. Why "improved" and "artist"? Your use of inverted commas indicates that you think they are not artists and that graffiti is not an improvement. That would simply be your opinion versus mine IF I had said they were artists and that graffiti was an improvement. It's a bit dim of you to assume that just because I finds someone's views, which are contrary to the lazy "scumbag vandals, they deserved it" opinion, interesting it automatically means that I support them. For you to then childishly demand that I back up support I haven't given by answering your 'whatabout' questions is ridiculous.
You say you're making a point - if so, you're not making it very well - all I'm seeing is lazy stereotyping (see overenthusiastic use of lefty, libtard, SJW, snowflake etc.)
Erm, ok.You say you're making a point - if so, you're not making it very well - all I'm seeing is lazy stereotyping (see overenthusiastic use of lefty, libtard, SJW, snowflake etc.)
You do seem to get easily rattled, emotional even.
I don't think I demanded anything, but you obviously do.
As for "all I'm seeing..", yes, it is a bit of trait.
One can only assume from your posts that you have no issue with your property or anyone else's being the subject of graffiti.
Anything else is childish - your word.
It takes all sorts I guess.
James_B said:
Roman Rhodes said:
It’s funny, the way people get so angry with people who’ve always just got their head down and worked hard.May I ask, are you a bit left wing? There is nothing those on the left are more annoyed by than someone who gives the lie to the narrative that the game is rigged and there is no way to be born poor but do well.
Edited by James_B on Saturday 23 June 21:17
king” came across as aggressive! Far from angry - who could be after watching that iconic 1980’s vid? Perhaps this short clip of you and your wife on holiday is more up your (many) streets? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Kum8OUTukYou need to differentiate between someone laughing at you and someone being angry with you
No, I’m not a bit left wing - socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Having said that, the tax regime in this country needs overhauling and people like me should pay more tax.
I’ll take your word for what left wing people get annoyed about. How you’ve had time to study them whilst building your pension pot and collecting a “few homes” working 24/7 is amazing!
Cold said:
Resolutionary said:
Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.
Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.
Yes, the owners of the defaced property may well find it thuggish and scummy and many do. They are the most important opinions in these situations. Critical acclaim from third parties mean little to those who have to pay for ongoing repairs to their damaged property. Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.
I expect if someone really wanted graffiti to be sprayed across something they own then they'd either do it themselves or ask a non-splattered "artist" to express themselves. That's not liking different things, that's liking your things to be left alone.
robm3 said:
Cold said:
Resolutionary said:
Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.
Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.
Yes, the owners of the defaced property may well find it thuggish and scummy and many do. They are the most important opinions in these situations. Critical acclaim from third parties mean little to those who have to pay for ongoing repairs to their damaged property. Amazing isn't it, how different people like different things.
I expect if someone really wanted graffiti to be sprayed across something they own then they'd either do it themselves or ask a non-splattered "artist" to express themselves. That's not liking different things, that's liking your things to be left alone.
Resolutionary said:
Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.
To my knowledge - Constable didn't go round adoring train carriages and motorway bridges with examples of his work though.In the main, it's not the 'art' that people have an issue with (I personally like some graffiti art)......it's the damage and destruction of property and the associated costs that go with it......plus the fact that most graffiti isn't really art, it's just tagging. It doesn't take a great deal of skill to tag.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 25th June 09:59
Moonhawk said:
Resolutionary said:
Thuggish and scummy to some. Others are indifferent, and there are even those who like the stuff. I don't personally rate any of the work of Constable, but don't take umbrage with an activity that has gone on far before I was born.
To my knowledge - Constable didn't go round adoring train carriages and motorway bridges with examples of his work though.badoom, tish!
My story of villainy. Aged 18, working as a sponsored student in London. One of my mates has a good idea, to spray paint birthday wishes for his girlfriend on a local bridge (North Circular). We trek out, at silly o’clock, and do the deed. On the way back, we get picked up by the police. One friend is a bit bolshie, starts going on about his stop and search rights. Police agree, also agree that they can search our coat pockets or spend time down the station on suspicion of car theft
Rattle cans found, they let us go. They were looking for car thieves who had been reported in the area, we sort of matched the description. Realising we were just idiots they couldn’t be arsed, apart from telling us to stop being idiots
The birthday greeting was there for years afterwards...
Rattle cans found, they let us go. They were looking for car thieves who had been reported in the area, we sort of matched the description. Realising we were just idiots they couldn’t be arsed, apart from telling us to stop being idiots
The birthday greeting was there for years afterwards...
loafer123 said:
Perhaps we can summarise;
Graffiti can be art if done well.
Tagging is not art and is simply vandalism.
IndeedGraffiti can be art if done well.
Tagging is not art and is simply vandalism.
Art:
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/wat...
Not art:
saaby93 said:
y stuff is my stuff, your stuff is your stuff
Do what you like with your stuff, leave my stuff alone
simples
It's not 'your stuff'. It's 'our' stuff. Or are you actually a train line financier?Do what you like with your stuff, leave my stuff alone
simples
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Really? So business are commissioning scumbags to paint their tags on railway bridges? I didn't know that but it must make perfect business sense to do so.
No, but they are commissioning 'scumbags' to paint their HQs, office blocks, corporate event decor, etc, etc.Rovinghawk said:
It is not necessary to vandalise.
OMG really? I never knew that.Roman Rhodes said:
I’d say there’s a lot more ‘class’ in the posts Resolutionary has been making - interesting and thoughtful stuff without the tedious judgmental cliches or a need to be constantly going on about his own accomplishments.
Thanks, I am not trying to win anyone over, and I actually find the human insight here quite fascinating as I'm from the other side of the tracks, so to speak.poo at Paul's said:
Accomplishments, no, but he does keep banging on about his and his mate's vandalism. How classy!
If by 'banging on' you mean that one post I made, many pages back, then you have no idea how to bang.Moonhawk said:
To my knowledge - Constable didn't go round adoring train carriages and motorway bridges with examples of his work though.
I heard Banksy is actually Constable. Seriously though, how is this even a comment worth making?Roman Rhodes said:
But you are making things up. Why "improved" and "artist"? Your use of inverted commas indicates that you think they are not artists and that graffiti is not an improvement. That would simply be your opinion versus mine IF I had said they were artists and that graffiti was an improvement. It's a bit dim of you to assume that just because I finds someone's views, which are contrary to the lazy "scumbag vandals, they deserved it" opinion, interesting it automatically means that I support them. For you to then childishly demand that I back up support I haven't given by answering your 'whatabout' questions is ridiculous.
You say you're making a point - if so, you're not making it very well - all I'm seeing is lazy stereotyping (see overenthusiastic use of lefty, libtard, SJW, snowflake etc.)
I agree, but then I would because this goes against the 'NPE norm' or some other such bYou say you're making a point - if so, you're not making it very well - all I'm seeing is lazy stereotyping (see overenthusiastic use of lefty, libtard, SJW, snowflake etc.)
ks. The use of inverted commas, and the incessant whataboutism playing out here is just bizarre to me. While I fully understand that graffiti and associated activities are not universally appreciated, it's a scene that has existed for so long that people really ought not to be shocked by it.
If we're playing the whatabout game, then what about people I see leaving PH meets and leaving 11s as they hurtle out of car park exits? That is damage to public and private property. It is semi-permanent and costs land / property owners to sort out. I'm sure there'd be a few graffiti artists who consider this sort of activity childish, dangerous and selfish.
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