The new US-Mexico border migrant policy.
Discussion
mko9 said:
Well, that certainly seemed to be an unbiased look at things. 
There are more or less four options:
1. Do little/nothing about illegal immigration.
2. After apprehending illegal immigrants, let them go and hope they come back for a court date to be thrown out of the country.
3. Detain everyone, all together in one facility. The risk obviously is bad things happening to minors who are in jail with the adult population.
4. Detain everyone, separate minors from adults. The risk/complication is getting everyone back together on the tail end of the process.
Honestly, option 4 seems like the least bad course of action to me. If it were my decision to make, I would rather see some kids crying for Mommy, than see some 12 year old girl get raped by an adult in detention.
Option 4 does seem like the best solution of the 4 above. The old system of "you're here illegally, but feel free to enter anyway, and please come to court on this date so we can send you home" clearly does not work. Everyone thrown into a large complex, again clearly doesn't work. But separating children from their parents isn't exactly brilliant. I have a 4yr old, and I'd hate the thought of him being forcibly removed from my wife, by intimidating strangers, and thrown into a cage. There is a 5th option, and perhaps the option they should have taken. Small prefab buildings, 1 family per building, if they can prove they're actually family. Keeps the families together, but children away from potentially dangerous situations.There are more or less four options:
1. Do little/nothing about illegal immigration.
2. After apprehending illegal immigrants, let them go and hope they come back for a court date to be thrown out of the country.
3. Detain everyone, all together in one facility. The risk obviously is bad things happening to minors who are in jail with the adult population.
4. Detain everyone, separate minors from adults. The risk/complication is getting everyone back together on the tail end of the process.
Honestly, option 4 seems like the least bad course of action to me. If it were my decision to make, I would rather see some kids crying for Mommy, than see some 12 year old girl get raped by an adult in detention.
What's happening is pretty bad, but the US was beginning to run out of options.
Breadvan72 said:
In what moral universe can people say "you cannot criticise putting children in cages to wail for their parents unless you have another plan"?
Just think about that for a moment. "Oh well, I agree that the solution to 1930s' Germany's problems is not obviously to kill all the Jews, and personally I regret the murders (after all, some of my best friends are - sorry were - Jewish), but unless you can devise a perfect solution, you may not criticise the beloved leader, who does his painful duty".
Don't get upset, if your capabilities run out at "thats bad" don't worry. We will try to figure a solution without you that might even help the problem.Just think about that for a moment. "Oh well, I agree that the solution to 1930s' Germany's problems is not obviously to kill all the Jews, and personally I regret the murders (after all, some of my best friends are - sorry were - Jewish), but unless you can devise a perfect solution, you may not criticise the beloved leader, who does his painful duty".
Unless you don't actually want a solution and just like complaining......
Processing them as before just kicks the problem down the road, it doesn't fix it.
Edited by The Vambo on Wednesday 20th June 18:27
Edited by The Vambo on Wednesday 20th June 18:27
mko9 said:
Well, that certainly seemed to be an unbiased look at things.
There are more or less four options:
1. Do little/nothing about illegal immigration.
2. After apprehending illegal immigrants, let them go and hope they come back for a court date to be thrown out of the country.
3. Detain everyone, all together in one facility. The risk obviously is bad things happening to minors who are in jail with the adult population.
4. Detain everyone, separate minors from adults. The risk/complication is getting everyone back together on the tail end of the process.
Honestly, option 4 seems like the least bad course of action to me. If it were my decision to make, I would rather see some kids crying for Mommy, than see some 12 year old girl get raped by an adult in detention.
I can't see why you think the risk of point 3 is worse than point 4. You are then suggesting that children - with their families - are at risk of "bad things" happening when they have their parents with them, having traveled hundreds or thousands of miles to get into the USA, and that is more risky than them being separated from their parents and given no love, comfort and put in a cage to sleep?There are more or less four options:
1. Do little/nothing about illegal immigration.
2. After apprehending illegal immigrants, let them go and hope they come back for a court date to be thrown out of the country.
3. Detain everyone, all together in one facility. The risk obviously is bad things happening to minors who are in jail with the adult population.
4. Detain everyone, separate minors from adults. The risk/complication is getting everyone back together on the tail end of the process.
Honestly, option 4 seems like the least bad course of action to me. If it were my decision to make, I would rather see some kids crying for Mommy, than see some 12 year old girl get raped by an adult in detention.
El stovey said:
Oh look the policy has been abandoned.
Even trump has recognised it was a barbaric mistake. Families will be processed as before, as families.
He just utterly mugged off all of his supporters with this one.Even trump has recognised it was a barbaric mistake. Families will be processed as before, as families.
All week they have been blaming Obama and the fact that its a Democrat policy.
Trump said he needs the Democrats to end it.
Then he ended it himself without anyone else being involved which shat all over everything said for the previous three days.
He is beyond disgusting. But those brainwashed somehow into still supporting him wont bat a eyelid.
Trumps done his job though, making stupid people think there’s an immigration crisis on the border. That they need him to solve it and immigrants are like insects taking over their country.
This threads got it all. People blaming Obama, saying it’s a choice between separating kids from parents or kids getting raped and now finally after facing defeat they’re saying , yeah well it doesn’t solve the immigration crisis.
There is no crisis, kids should be processed with their parents. Trump’s just trying to make people scared of foreigners. It’s very similar to the inward looking nationalist rhetoric that Putin uses to great effect in Russia.
Try to reduce the power of the media, talk about Mexican rapists and bad people, build a wall, swarms of immigrants, trade tariffs with Canada and the EU and Mexico, make America great again.
This threads got it all. People blaming Obama, saying it’s a choice between separating kids from parents or kids getting raped and now finally after facing defeat they’re saying , yeah well it doesn’t solve the immigration crisis.
There is no crisis, kids should be processed with their parents. Trump’s just trying to make people scared of foreigners. It’s very similar to the inward looking nationalist rhetoric that Putin uses to great effect in Russia.
Try to reduce the power of the media, talk about Mexican rapists and bad people, build a wall, swarms of immigrants, trade tariffs with Canada and the EU and Mexico, make America great again.
p1stonhead said:
El stovey said:
Oh look the policy has been abandoned.
Even trump has recognised it was a barbaric mistake. Families will be processed as before, as families.
He just utterly mugged off all of his supporters with this one.Even trump has recognised it was a barbaric mistake. Families will be processed as before, as families.
All week they have been blaming Obama and the fact that its a Democrat policy.
Trump said he needs the Democrats to end it.
Then he ended it himself without anyone else being involved which shat all over everything said for the previous three days.
He is beyond disgusting. But those brainwashed somehow into still supporting him wont bat a eyelid.
t about these Mexican illegals (me included). El stovey said:
Trumps done his job though, making stupid people think there’s an immigration crisis on the border. That they need him to solve it and immigrants are like insects taking over their country.
This threads got it all. People blaming Obama, saying it’s a choice between separating kids from parents or kids getting raped and now finally after facing defeat they’re saying , yeah well it doesn’t solve the immigration crisis.
There is no crisis, kids should be processed with their parents. Trump’s just trying to make people scared of foreigners. It’s very similar to the inward looking nationalist rhetoric that Putin uses to great effect in Russia.
Try to reduce the power of the media, talk about Mexican rapists and bad people, build a wall, swarms of immigrants, trade tariffs with Canada and the EU and Mexico, make America great again.
2, 300 children entering the US illegally every month is normal..... OK....This threads got it all. People blaming Obama, saying it’s a choice between separating kids from parents or kids getting raped and now finally after facing defeat they’re saying , yeah well it doesn’t solve the immigration crisis.
There is no crisis, kids should be processed with their parents. Trump’s just trying to make people scared of foreigners. It’s very similar to the inward looking nationalist rhetoric that Putin uses to great effect in Russia.
Try to reduce the power of the media, talk about Mexican rapists and bad people, build a wall, swarms of immigrants, trade tariffs with Canada and the EU and Mexico, make America great again.
Edit too many noughts...
Edited by Vanden Saab on Thursday 21st June 12:06
Lanker22 said:
Yeah I agree. Trump should have stood his ground on this one. The left may shout and protest but I don't think too many people give a st about these Mexican illegals (me included).
Remove head from orifice long enough and you'd see that many, many people gave a st about these Mexican illegals (me included). t, which is why Trump backtracked because even he could see how bad it was looking.Those left supporting the policy are those even less aware than Trump of how f
king awful it was.
Which has been pretty constant for the last 8 years or so. Lanker22 said:
p1stonhead said:
El stovey said:
Oh look the policy has been abandoned.
Even trump has recognised it was a barbaric mistake. Families will be processed as before, as families.
He just utterly mugged off all of his supporters with this one.Even trump has recognised it was a barbaric mistake. Families will be processed as before, as families.
All week they have been blaming Obama and the fact that its a Democrat policy.
Trump said he needs the Democrats to end it.
Then he ended it himself without anyone else being involved which shat all over everything said for the previous three days.
He is beyond disgusting. But those brainwashed somehow into still supporting him wont bat a eyelid.
t about these Mexican illegals (me included). p1stonhead said:
To people with an ounce of empathy inside of them though they are not ‘Mexican illegals’ they are simply ‘people’. People shouldn’t be treated in that way. End of.
Blame foreigners for your problems, use language to dehumanise them, try to neutralise the media and replace them with your own propaganda (Twitter),keep talking about restoration of national greatness. . . 
p1stonhead said:
To people with an ounce of empathy inside of them though they are not ‘Mexican illegals’ they are simply ‘people’. People shouldn’t be treated in that way. End of.
If I roll my eyes any harder at your save the world posts, my eyes might just fall out and roll along the carpet.I agree that people shouldn't be treated like that if at all possible. I'm glad the policy has been ended and saying that it was a Democrat policy is brain-dead thinking. If it happens when you are in charge, it's your fault. This was Trump's fault.
The 'they are simply ‘people’ pish however...
If you woke up to find two squatters in your living room and a Syrian family in your car would you class them as simply people? Crack on, my packed lunch is in the fridge, would you like to meet my daughter? Would you f
k. The schizophrenia or mental contradictions that some people like you have when it comes to what they would accept through the front door of their own house and what they accept through the front door of their country never fails to amaze me.
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