45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)
Discussion
Gameface said:
Exactly. What is it about him that appeals to people to the extent they'd strenuously defend him? Especially people who live somewhere other than the USA.
Surely you understand that the appeal of Trump is to an electorate that feels that no previous president or presidential candidate in recent memory expressed their fears and promised to give them an opportunity to improve their lives.The fact that he his disreputable and a buffoon is not important to them.
When the opposition put up Hilary Clinton, who was perceived by many as "damaged goods " this certainly helped him gain the presidency.
The rise of populism and populist leaders in the USA and Europe is a direct result of the despair of a majority of the electorate that has lost faith with mainstream politics and politicians that do not directly address their concerns.
Eric Mc said:
And they will learn eventually that Trump is no better - indeed, far, far worse.
The liberals and the left have brought it upon themselves.Their idealism and/or idealology either ignored and/or patronised whole swathes of the electorate who were unable or unwilling to adapt to the new status quo.
If you live in a region of high unemployment with little light at the end of the tunnel is it surprising that you adopt a "feck you" attitude.
If you are instinctively suspicious of people of another race, religion or colour is it surprising that your heart warms to a politician that speaks to you in crude generalisations that legitimises your prejudices.
avinalarf said:
Eric Mc said:
And they will learn eventually that Trump is no better - indeed, far, far worse.
The liberals and the left have brought it upon themselves.Their idealism and/or idealology either ignored and/or patronised whole swathes of the electorate who were unable or unwilling to adapt to the new status quo.
If you live in a region of high unemployment with little light at the end of the tunnel is it surprising that you adopt a "feck you" attitude.
If you are instinctively suspicious of people of another race, religion or colour is it surprising that your heart warms to a politician that speaks to you in crude generalisations that legitimises your prejudices.
This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
p1stonhead said:
This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
Remember Trump's infamous quote "I love the poorly educated"!p1stonhead said:
avinalarf said:
Eric Mc said:
And they will learn eventually that Trump is no better - indeed, far, far worse.
The liberals and the left have brought it upon themselves.Their idealism and/or idealology either ignored and/or patronised whole swathes of the electorate who were unable or unwilling to adapt to the new status quo.
If you live in a region of high unemployment with little light at the end of the tunnel is it surprising that you adopt a "feck you" attitude.
If you are instinctively suspicious of people of another race, religion or colour is it surprising that your heart warms to a politician that speaks to you in crude generalisations that legitimises your prejudices.
This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
Genuine question, I don't follow this thread or have a dog in the fight. If it's doing badly, how would Clinton have fared in the same climate?
p1stonhead said:
That’s a fair position to take and no one blames people for feeling that way. But how is voting for a billionaire who literally lives in a gilded tower going to help?
This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
I have a very good friend in Mississippi who voted for Trump. I asked him straight up why and he said he couldn’t vote Democrat, simple as that. He didn’t vote Trump he voted Republican, just as some of us don’t vote Labour or Conservative based on the leader. I for one find it hard to believe that the majority of labour voters actually voted for the scruffy moron that leads the party or the majority of Cons voters voted for the wicked witch. The advantage we have over the yanks is that the PM hasn’t anywhere near the power of the US President.This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
Mothersruin said:
How's the US doing at the moment?
Genuine question, I don't follow this thread or have a dog in the fight. If it's doing badly, how would Clinton have fared in the same climate?
The trend lines are pretty much in line with the previous administration. Business seems to be doing well but at the expense of rolling back shed loads of regulation for environment and workers protection. Good news for car lovers this includes emissions, maybe not so good for the planet but this administration doesn't believe in that crap.Genuine question, I don't follow this thread or have a dog in the fight. If it's doing badly, how would Clinton have fared in the same climate?
The roll back of regulations to be more like the fifties gets largely unnoticed thanks to all the crazy stuff!
djc206 said:
The advantage we have over the yanks is that the PM hasn’t anywhere near the power of the US President.
PMs have a majority (even if they need the help of another party because they're so hapless they lose an election they didn't even need to call), and so can get most things done, US Presidents are often unable to get anything meaningful done because the other lot control the ParliamentFredericRobinson said:
PMs have a majority (even if they need the help of another party because they're so hapless they lose an election they didn't even need to call), and so can get most things done, US Presidents are often unable to get anything meaningful done because the other lot control the Parliament
Indeed but the PM can’t just do stupid s
t like apply massive tariffs because they feel like it despite the majority of their party objecting. Trump has the executive order at his disposal.
djc206 said:
The advantage we have over the yanks is that the PM hasn’t anywhere near the power of the US President.
In some areas, in others, the PM has more autonomy, like for declaring war. The Prez needs congress, even though foreign affairs as an area, is where the Prez is allowed to be more independent, congress rules internally. Over 200 years congress had more power, which has slowly ebbed to the prez as more and more presidents have inched their way to more power.Halb said:
In some areas, in others, the PM has more autonomy, like for declaring war. The Prez needs congress, even though foreign affairs as an area, is where the Prez is allowed to be more independent, congress rules internally. Over 200 years congress had more power, which has slowly ebbed to the prez as more and more presidents have inched their way to more power.
While the US President can’t declare war they can commit troops without congressional approval which is essentially the same thing. p1stonhead said:
avinalarf said:
Eric Mc said:
And they will learn eventually that Trump is no better - indeed, far, far worse.
The liberals and the left have brought it upon themselves.Their idealism and/or idealology either ignored and/or patronised whole swathes of the electorate who were unable or unwilling to adapt to the new status quo.
If you live in a region of high unemployment with little light at the end of the tunnel is it surprising that you adopt a "feck you" attitude.
If you are instinctively suspicious of people of another race, religion or colour is it surprising that your heart warms to a politician that speaks to you in crude generalisations that legitimises your prejudices.
This is the mental point. He is so transparent in his self interest that I don’t know how anyone voted for him other than those who are the clear bigots etc. Anyone who wanted economic prosperity back? Two seconds research should have pit stop to them voting for Trump.
Trump or that goat offered them hope, albeit a false hope, ...a land where they they could blame ALL immigrants for taking their jobs...a land where they could blame ALL blacks for their misfortunes.....a land where ALL Jews were evil bankers that stole their birthright.
Does it remind you of something and somewhere ?
Evil lurks only just below the surface and will take advantage of a vacuum, an absence perceived or real, of a democratic leadership that offers no hope to an ignored and hopeless and dissallusioned electorate that finds itself cast adrift.
Of course there are also the true racists, homophobes and haters who must think all their Christmases have come.
Trump is a symptom of today's political establishment.
A political establishment that believes in its own stories that speaks only to itself, that is arrogant and self serving and does not address the fears and concerns of a confused,
disoriented and hopeless considerable minority of the population.
If the establishment had listened and tried to understand and gone some way to talk to and not ignore and/or patronise those disaffected people we may well not have had Brexit or Trump or the rise of populism.
Make no mistake, we have opened Pandora's box, let us hope the consequences are not as tragic as they might become.
avinalarf said:
They didn't vote for Trump....they would have voted for a goat if it vocalised and legitimised their fears and prejudices.
Trump or that goat offered them hope, albeit a false hope, ...a land where they they could blame ALL immigrants for taking their jobs...a land where they could blame ALL blacks for their misfortunes.....a land where ALL Jews were evil bankers that stole their birthright.
Does it remind you of something and somewhere ?
Evil lurks only just below the surface and will take advantage of a vacuum, an absence perceived or real, of a democratic leadership that offers no hope to an ignored and hopeless and dissallusioned electorate that finds itself cast adrift.
Of course there are also the true racists, homophobes and haters who must think all their Christmases have come.
Trump is a symptom of today's political establishment.
A political establishment that believes in its own stories that speaks only to itself, that is arrogant and self serving and does not address the fears and concerns of a confused,
disoriented and hopeless considerable minority of the population.
If the establishment had listened and tried to understand and gone some way to talk to and not ignore and/or patronise those disaffected people we may well not have had Brexit or Trump or the rise of populism.
Make no mistake, we have opened Pandora's box, let us hope the consequences are not as tragic as they might become.
Utter rubbish. Trump or that goat offered them hope, albeit a false hope, ...a land where they they could blame ALL immigrants for taking their jobs...a land where they could blame ALL blacks for their misfortunes.....a land where ALL Jews were evil bankers that stole their birthright.
Does it remind you of something and somewhere ?
Evil lurks only just below the surface and will take advantage of a vacuum, an absence perceived or real, of a democratic leadership that offers no hope to an ignored and hopeless and dissallusioned electorate that finds itself cast adrift.
Of course there are also the true racists, homophobes and haters who must think all their Christmases have come.
Trump is a symptom of today's political establishment.
A political establishment that believes in its own stories that speaks only to itself, that is arrogant and self serving and does not address the fears and concerns of a confused,
disoriented and hopeless considerable minority of the population.
If the establishment had listened and tried to understand and gone some way to talk to and not ignore and/or patronise those disaffected people we may well not have had Brexit or Trump or the rise of populism.
Make no mistake, we have opened Pandora's box, let us hope the consequences are not as tragic as they might become.
Trumps lawyers were the ones that wavered the privilege on the Cohen tape about the payment to Karen McDougal.
That's backfired spectacularly, or was it to be a distraction from his disasterous helsinki Putin summit?
It's got so bad he has to admit election fraud to distract from treason?
That's backfired spectacularly, or was it to be a distraction from his disasterous helsinki Putin summit?
It's got so bad he has to admit election fraud to distract from treason?
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