45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 5)
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V6 Pushfit said:
It still suggests Trump can ‘become the leader’
That went out the window a long time ago so an odd thing to say
That's what i thought. But i think it's a heartfelt plea for the good of the Nation from somebody who has served his Country and still feels that some respect is owed to the Office of POTUS (if not the person).That went out the window a long time ago so an odd thing to say
Oliver Cromwell said this in the 17th Century -
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, go!
Byker28i said:
Apparently trump is raging at Jeff Sessions and saying to jail Omarosa Manigault Newman.
Whilst her publishers have responded to trumps campaign threat of litigation.
"While your letter generally claims that excerpts from the book contain 'disparaging statements,' it is quite telling that at no point do you claim that any specific statement in the book is false. Your client does not have a viable legal claim merely because unspecified truthful statements in the Book may embarrass the president or his associates. At base, your letter is nothing more than an obvious attempt to silence legitimate criticism of the president"
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/16/politics/omaros...
There will not be many sweeter moments to invoke Pressdram v Arkell Whilst her publishers have responded to trumps campaign threat of litigation.
"While your letter generally claims that excerpts from the book contain 'disparaging statements,' it is quite telling that at no point do you claim that any specific statement in the book is false. Your client does not have a viable legal claim merely because unspecified truthful statements in the Book may embarrass the president or his associates. At base, your letter is nothing more than an obvious attempt to silence legitimate criticism of the president"
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/16/politics/omaros...
ETA I suppose publishers will soon join the press as 'enemies of the people'!
Edited by Seventy on Friday 17th August 10:44
Eric Mc said:
It's the old "Lock Her Up" mantra again.
I think there should be a new magazine launched called "True Dictators". In it, they can review all the dictators that there have ever been and look at those who aspire to the role in an "Up and Coming Dictators" feature.
Maybe have a "Dictators Wives" section......? "I think there should be a new magazine launched called "True Dictators". In it, they can review all the dictators that there have ever been and look at those who aspire to the role in an "Up and Coming Dictators" feature.
Ask Adolf" agony column?
Countdown said:
V6 Pushfit said:
It still suggests Trump can ‘become the leader’
That went out the window a long time ago so an odd thing to say
That's what i thought. But i think it's a heartfelt plea for the good of the Nation from somebody who has served his Country and still feels that some respect is owed to the Office of POTUS (if not the person).That went out the window a long time ago so an odd thing to say
Eric Mc said:
Good.
I just thought that the quote was appropriate to the behaviour of the current incumbent of the White House and his team of reprobates.
It wasn't an endoresment of Oliver Cromwell and all the terrible things he did - both in England and Ireland.
Possibly it is.I just thought that the quote was appropriate to the behaviour of the current incumbent of the White House and his team of reprobates.
It wasn't an endoresment of Oliver Cromwell and all the terrible things he did - both in England and Ireland.
Cromwell (I was originally going to write was a great man, but that would most likely be misconstrued as well) did terrific things. He has been misrepresented and adequately represented, like any other figure from history. THere is a statue of him in a town near me, which I think is pretty cool. He did the job that needed to be done.
Eric Mc said:
That included sacking Irish cities and massacring thousands of the inhabitants. Yes - it got the job done. And, many people do think that "the ends justifies the means". My feelings have always been that anybody who thinks that way is borderline, if not actually, psychotic.
Well that was certainly one job. THere was a really good Irish history programme about the first sacking, about how it has been misrepresented, but most likely, the second one was down to Cromwel.So, the Manafort trial jury is deliberating for a second day. Fox says the jury is arguing about what constitutes "reasonable doubt" - and has written to the judge to ask for clarification. Fox also says that a unanimous verdict is required (I'm not familiar enough with US law to know if majority decisions might be acceptable).
Twelve good men (and women) and true? Let's hope so, but given the polarising effect of Trump, is it possible that a couple of Trumpette hold-outs on the jury could let Manafort off the hook?
Not all members of a jury take their role as seriously as you'd want - UK reminder: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/16/faceboo...
Twelve good men (and women) and true? Let's hope so, but given the polarising effect of Trump, is it possible that a couple of Trumpette hold-outs on the jury could let Manafort off the hook?
Not all members of a jury take their role as seriously as you'd want - UK reminder: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/16/faceboo...
Halb said:
Well that was certainly one job. THere was a really good Irish history programme about the first sacking, about how it has been misrepresented, but most likely, the second one was down to Cromwel.
Yes - mass murderers are often misunderstood and misrepresented. It happens all the time.Eric Mc said:
Nothing new under the sun - and Cromwell was no saint (and with me being Irish, he is not exactly high on my list of favourite historical characters) - but he did say the odd thing that still speaks true down the ages.
Just the very odd thing though...the rest of it was mainly religious b
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Eric Mc said:
Halb said:
Well that was certainly one job. THere was a really good Irish history programme about the first sacking, about how it has been misrepresented, but most likely, the second one was down to Cromwel.
Yes - mass murderers are often misunderstood and misrepresented. It happens all the time.
LoonyTunes said:
Eric Mc said:
Nothing new under the sun - and Cromwell was no saint (and with me being Irish, he is not exactly high on my list of favourite historical characters) - but he did say the odd thing that still speaks true down the ages.
Just the very odd thing though...the rest of it was mainly religious bks Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff